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It's not simply personal dislike. I don't care where the next game takes place per se. So long as I can make people drink their own poison, I'm cool.

 

But I'm trying to wrap my head around this. And this whole idea of the Reapers just caring about the Milky Way bothers me. It turns them into mere custodians.

I never thought they were anything more



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They basically were deadly custodians 

 

I didn't see it that way. They were abstract problem solvers... and spoke in terms of universal conflicts. The custodial thing is too concrete and specific. It's only one angle of the underlying thing they cared about.



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I didn't see it that way. They were abstract problem solvers... and spoke in terms of universal conflicts. The custodial thing is too concrete and specific.

 

The universal conflicts were the cycles every 50,000 years 



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The universal conflicts were the cycles every 50,000 years 

 

If they saw it universally though, they would've cared about other galaxies.

 

They might have not attempted to harvest them, but they would have cared. If only to find new parameters and different solutions. Because it's hit a brick wall in this galaxy.



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They don't need to run for centuries. Hit maximum attainable FTL speed and "drift" whilst still accelerating due to Newton's law.
 

I thought that was the case as well but apparently it isn't in mass effect lore. They only get up to those massive FTL speeds because the mass effect drive reduces the ships mass to near zero. The mass effect drive has to be constantly running or the ship returns to normal mass.



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If they saw it universally though, they would've cared about other galaxies.

They might have not attempted to harvest them, but they would have cared. If only to find new parameters and different solutions. Because it's hit a brick wall in this galaxy.

Maybe, though the Catalyst logic tends to rely on universal conclusions (All advanced organics create synthetics, all synthetics destroy their makers, etc.). Perhaps after gathering data in one Galaxy (And in fairness an entire galaxy of species is no small data set) it made those universal conclusions. More data wouldn't have been useful at that point.

Just throwing things out there

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Maybe, though the Catalyst logic tends to rely on universal conclusions (All advanced organics create synthetics, all synthetics destroy their makers, etc.). 

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Maybe, though the Catalyst logic tends to rely on universal conclusions (All advanced organics create synthetics, all synthetics destroy their makers, etc.). Perhaps after gathering data in one Galaxy (And in fairness an entire galaxy of species is no small data set) it made those universal conclusions. More data wouldn't have been useful at that point.

Just throwing things out there

 

I'm kind of...willing to entertain that.



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That makes the starbrat the worst Sith ever :P


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As far as the question of FTL travel being fast enough to reach another galaxy, I don't believe it has ever been stated that the Mass Effect relay network is limited to only the Milky Way galaxy. 

 

Also to the  people complaining about the fact that all of the galactic lore built up in the Milky Way galaxy would simply be wasted with a move to a new galaxy I would say that there is absolutely no reason the series could not return to the Milky Way in a future installment of the series sometime down the road. 

 

Having some of the the people that left the Milky Way return years or even decades later opens up a metric ton of new possibilities story wise. The old galactic power structure could be turned completely on its head. Hell, maybe the Krogan's might have completely overrun the galaxy,  or maybe survivors of the Reaper war have gone on the run and into hiding from hybrid synthetic/organic life that has taken over......the possibilities are literally endless. 

 

Putting some distance between the end of the last installment and a dramatic return to the Milky Way in two,  three or even four games down the road makes a lot of sense from a creative standpoint. 



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As far as the question of FTL travel being fast enough to reach another galaxy, I don't believe it has ever been stated that the Mass Effect relay network is limited to the only the Milky Way galaxy. 

 

 

It's stated that the Catalyst built the Relays for the Harvest (this is what Leviathan says). It's not someone else's tech apparently. Which begs the question - just how extensive were they then? Because once you give them capability to go to a neighboring galaxy, then they can make it to many others. And more unstoppable than ever.

 

Personally, I hope that's all done with. I don't want play this guy anymore.

 

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They don't need to run for centuries. Hit maximum attainable FTL speed and "drift" whilst still accelerating due to Newton's law.

Also the pilgrims can use Prothean stasis tech to survive the centuries long journey.

As for breaking, that can be done in small increments months in advance of "touchdown". (clearly achievable with FTL drives)

So what's the problem...besides personal dislike?




Actually, Mass Effect drives dont work like that. Even in the fictional mass effect physics, what you are proposing violates conservation of energy.

The mass effect drive core maintains the region of decreased mass around the spacecraft. This allows the FTL travel. As soon as the drive core shuts down, the mass effect envelope collapses, and the ship returns to sublight velocity.

Remember, the ship isn't actually travelling FTL. It is only effectively travelling FTL. Even in a mass effect bubble, it is still travelling a tiny fraction of the new speed of light (which is raised within the mass effect field). When it collapses, it merely continues through space at the same fraction of c in a vacuum.

So unfortunately, your idea wont work.

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Too bad that is universally seen as one of the most hypocritical statements ever. Even amongst Star Wars fans. The Jedi also deal in absolutes  :lol:


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Too bad that is universally seen as one of the most hypocritical statements ever. Even amongst Star Wars fans. The Jedi also deal in absolutes  :lol:

 

Don't mean to go too offtipic, but didn't they aspire to balance at least?



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Don't mean to go too offtipic, but didn't they aspire to balance at least?

 They aspired to find the "Chosen One" whom would "bring balance to the force". They themselves did not practice such balance.

 

 

 

"Do or do not. There is no try."

 

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

 

Etc etc....

 

They deal in absolutes just as much as their counterparts. They're the other side of the spectrum. And unless they're retconning Anakin's redemption bringing balance to the force, I'm assuming the next Star Wars will be better off because it'll be focusing on things less omnipresent.


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 They aspired to find the "Chosen One" whom would "bring balance to the force". They themselves did not practice such balance.

 

 

 

"Do or do not. There is not try."

 

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

 

Etc etc....

 

Fair enough. I thought the whole celibacy thing sucked, for one.



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Fair enough. I thought the whole celibacy thing sucked, for one.

 Yeah. They're pretty absolute on the subject. 

 

 

 

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So the Reapers have Tardis technology?

 

The Tevinter have timey-wimey,

maybe the Reapers have spacey-wacey?

 

(the things you can achieve with 'plot magic'  :) )



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Actually, Mass Effect drives dont work like that. Even in the fictional mass effect physics, what you are proposing violates conservation of energy.
The mass effect drive core maintains the region of decreased mass around the spacecraft. This allows the FTL travel. As soon as the drive core shuts down, the mass effect envelope collapses, and the ship returns to sublight velocity.
Remember, the ship isn't actually travelling FTL. It is only effectively travelling FTL. Even in a mass effect bubble, it is still travelling a tiny fraction of the new speed of light (which is raised within the mass effect field). When it collapses, it merely continues through space at the same fraction of c in a vacuum.
So unfortunately, your idea wont work.


Gotcha, thanks. Back to the drawing board.

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Intense discussion about the scientific validity of inter-galactic travel...

 

(because Reapers make perfect scientific sense don't they...  :P )


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Intense discussion about the scientific validity of inter-galactic travel...

 

(because Reapers make perfect scientific sense don't they...  :P )

Look, if we can just find the right rock to run electricity through, it'll all be scientifically plausible. :rolleyes:


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Intense discussion about the scientific validity of inter-galactic travel...

 

(because Reapers make perfect scientific sense don't they...  :P )

 

I don't know **** about intergalactic travel. I just like internal consistency. It's more about literature than science.

 

In any case, I don't know if this is even the game Bioware is planning. So it's still all in the realm of bullshit for the time being.



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Plus the construction of the ship itself would dwarf construction of the Crucible, which has all the best and brightest working on it, and cripple the economy and infrastructure of Citadel space when it needs those things the most. 

 

Says who? You keep saying all this stuff with no proof. How are you coming to the conclusion that it would bankrupt the galaxy and exhaust its resources, let alone approach the Crucible for size and complexity?

 

A ship big enough to house hundreds or thousands of people in cryo pods really isn't that big. They don't need recreation or living spaces, except for a small asari crew. It barely needs power beyond the engines because everyone would be in cryo pods. 

 

And building large ships certainly isn't beyond the economies of the Council races. As the wiki says, in 2185, the dreadnought count was 39 turian, 20 asari, 16 salarian, and 8 human.

 

If the galaxy has nearly a hundred dreadnoughts, which are a kilometre long each, they aren't exactly bad at building big ships. 


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Says who? You keep saying all this stuff with no proof. How are you coming to the conclusion that it would bankrupt the galaxy and exhaust its resources, let alone approach the Crucible for size and complexity?

 

A ship big enough to house hundreds or thousands of people in cryo pods really isn't that big. They don't need recreation or living spaces, except for a small asari crew. It barely needs power beyond the engines because everyone would be in cryo pods. 

 

And building large ships certainly isn't beyond the economies of the Council races. As the wiki says, in 2185, the dreadnought count was 39 turian, 20 asari, 16 salarian, and 8 human.

 

If the galaxy has nearly a hundred dreadnoughts, which are a kilometre long each, they aren't exactly bad at building big ships. 

 

I don't think it'd necessarily bankrupt either, but the part about size is due to how large eezo cores need to be for continuous/deep space travel. And no one has come close to building anything that travels for hundreds of years... they don't need to so far. Except the Reapers.. but even, I doubt they made it to other galaxies. Or if they did, someone should've told me. :P



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The existence of organic life outside of the reaper cycles is irrefutable proof that the Reapers were fundamentally wrong all along about organics and synthetics.

Our civs are less than 50k years old. The cycles ensured technological parity. Without Reaper cycles these races will be possibly billions of years older and arguably as advanced if not more so than the reapers.