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[von uber]

If there are mass relays in andromeda that means the races there have evolved along the lines the reapers wanted.
Also shouldn't it mean that they were affected by the crucible...?

[ElitePinecone]

They don't need to run for centuries. Hit maximum attainable FTL speed and "drift" whilst still accelerating due to Newton's law.

Also the pilgrims can use Prothean stasis tech to survive the centuries long journey.

As for breaking, that can be done in small increments months in advance of "touchdown". (clearly achievable with FTL drives)

So what's the problem...besides personal dislike?

 

I think the static problem comes from running the eezo core though, and that needs to be on for the whole time that the ship is in FTL.

 

The only reason it's going at FTL speeds is because the mass of the ship is lighter due to the "mass effect"; switching the drive core off would probably just return the ship to its maximum engine velocity at whatever mass it was. I imagine this is how ships drop out of conventional FTL when they're not using a mass relay, but the only time this has been shown in-game all the ships fly like jet fighters. 

 

(ME has basically never done Newtonian physics for ships in cutscenes correctly, even though it's correct in the codex.)

 

To put it another way, they could switch off the engines, stop accelerating but continue moving due to Newton's law, but to keep moving faster than light requires that the eezo core still be operational for the whole journey - and I think it's that core that causes the static buildup.

[CannotCompute]

I think the static problem comes from running the eezo core though, and that needs to be on for the whole time that the ship is in FTL.

 

The only reason it's going at FTL speeds is because the mass of the ship is lighter due to the "mass effect"; switching the drive core off would probably just return the ship to its maximum engine velocity at whatever mass it was. I imagine this is how ships drop out of conventional FTL when they're not using a mass relay, but the only time this has been shown in-game all the ships fly like jet fighters. 

 

(ME has basically never done Newtonian physics for ships in cutscenes correctly, even though it's correct in the codex.)

 

To put it another way, they could switch off the engines, stop accelerating but continue moving due to Newton's law, but to keep moving faster than light requires that the eezo core still be operational for the whole journey - and I think it's that core that causes the static buildup.

 

Personally, I don't think we'll get to Andromeda using FTL (assuming the leak is legit). It'll probably be by using a previously dormant or undiscovered special type of Relay.

[ElitePinecone]

Personally, I don't think we'll get to Andromeda using FTL (assuming the leak is legit). It'll probably be by using a previously dormant or undiscovered special type of Relay.

 

FTL makes me more comfortable though because it's one of the fictional technologies that they've explained the most. A relay would need to have a partner relay in Andromeda, which would indicate that the Reapers have been there, and I don't think it's good for the series for them to be a multi-galaxy thing. 

 

I'm open to some sort of new artefact or a wormhole, but again that might feel like it came out of nowhere. 

 

For storytelling purposes too, I think it's better to make getting to Andromeda really, really difficult, otherwise people would just be wanting to go back and see the Milky Way all the time. If there was a relay connecting them, it seems to make no sense that we wouldn't be able to just hop back and see Earth/Thessia/etc, which is a problem if the whole reason we're moving to Andromeda is to avoid showing the consequences of the endings post-ME3. If the journey takes 200-500 years, then it's a good excuse as to why we need to start building and exploring in this new place instead of returning home. 

[ZoliCs]

I don't think it'd necessarily bankrupt either, but the part about size is due to how large eezo cores need to be for continuous/deep space travel. And no one has come close to building anything that travels for hundreds of years... they don't need to so far. Except the Reapers.. but even, I doubt they made it to other galaxies. Or if they did, someone should've told me.

Well the humans built a ship (a private founded ship) that ran for 110 years in 2070. It's not that big of a stretch of logic to assume the galaxy could build a ship that runs for ~300 years in 2185.

[ZoliCs]

Also shouldn't it mean that they were affected by the crucible...?

That's true, that's why I never entertained the notion.

[CannotCompute]

If there are mass relays in andromeda that means the races there have evolved along the lines the reapers wanted.
Also shouldn't it mean that they were affected by the crucible...?

 

Maybe the Relay to Andromeda is a Relay secretly constructed by the Protheans or some other race & not connected to the Citadel? The Protheans knew how to build the Conduit, so I guess such a thing wouldn't be impossible.

 

Just thinking out loud here, though.

[von uber]

Maybe the Relay to Andromeda is a Relay secretly constructed by the Protheans or some other race & not connected to the Citadel? The Protheans knew how to build the Conduit, so I guess such a thing wouldn't be impossible.

 

Just thinking out loud here, though.

 

And who built the matching pair...?

[CannotCompute]

And who built the matching pair...?

 

Maybe they sent a team to Andromeda to build the other Relay?

[thekook78]

Remember Farscape? The wormhole took Browder halfway across the galaxy. Or there are other space-time wormholes like in Star Trek timeline reboot. This is probably the story avenue they are going to take to create a separate story from the events in the Milky Way or create an alternate/concurrent reality, kind of like Fringe. A wormhole is a way to avoid the technology issues of the 150-500 year journey to the Andromeda Galaxy as well as any indoctrination issues by strapping Reaper tech onto ships.

 

The way the Krogan colony ship is mentioned makes me think this mission will be similar to the Battlestar reboot (there are reboots everywhere). My guess is the council will be maintained by having representatives from each species ship (Salarian, Human, Asari, Krogan, and whomever else) and perhaps other ships such as research and fuel vessels.

[ElitePinecone]

You could always go with the classics: the Flash Gordon/Buck Rogers scenario (and Voyager too). Freak accident or somesuch. 

 

If ARKCON really does stand for Ark Contingency, then I think that would mean it was a planned journey. That kinda ties in nicely with ME3's plot, in the sense that while Shepard was busy fighting the Reapers others were preparing a Plan B in case it all went wrong. 

 

I wouldn't be too concerned about a freak accident plot, except that I think the journey to colonise a new galaxy is more plausible when it's done by a big ship with heaps of supplies that was especially constructed for that purpose. 

 

In human history places were colonised by accident all the time (it might've happened with the first inhabitants of the Americas, Australia, Madagascar and a bunch of Pacific islands), but colonies definitely developed more quickly when the settlers purposely went there and had prepared by bringing things with them. 

[ZoliCs]

Maybe the Relay to Andromeda is a Relay secretly constructed by the Protheans or some other race & not connected to the Citadel? The Protheans knew how to build the Conduit, so I guess such a thing wouldn't be impossible.

 

Just thinking out loud here, though.

God I hope not. If we are going to a new galaxy I don't even want to hear about the Protheans.

[ZoliCs]

I wouldn't be too concerned about a freak accident plot, except that I think the journey to colonise a new galaxy is more plausible when it's done by a big ship with heaps of supplies that was especially constructed for that purpose. 

That would cheap imo (just like a plot device wormhole).

FTL travel launched during ME3 makes the most sense, has the least cheap corner cutting and it actually ties nicely into the trilogy which a lot (if not all) people wants.

[CannotCompute]

God I hope not. If we are going to a new galaxy I don't even want to hear about the Protheans.

 

Doesn't necessarily have to be the Protheans. Another race from one of the previous cycles might've outsmarted the Reapers too.

[ZoliCs]

Doesn't necessarily have to be the Protheans. Another race from one of the previous cycles might've outsmarted the Reapers too.

I'd rather have us outsmart them for a change. Why do we always have to rely on others to do our job for us?

 

That's one thing I won't miss about the ME trilogy if they drop that from ME:N.

[Heimdall]

I wouldn't be too concerned about a freak accident plot, except that I think the journey to colonise a new galaxy is more plausible when it's done by a big ship with heaps of supplies that was especially constructed for that purpose.

And it's difficult to imagine how a sizable cross section of most species would have been aboard otherwise.

[ElitePinecone]

Finding a secret relay in the middle of ME3 still feels a little cheap to me too, though.

 

And there'd still be the issue of people wanting to go back, or wanting the Milky Way to send through their favourite characters. 

 

FTL would feel "earned" because it takes hundreds of years, and because the colonists would probably be on their own once in Andromeda. 

[ZoliCs]

You mean like the Crucible? That's a victory for all organics. And we still deserve credit for understanding it/getting it built/and depending on the player, not killing everyone in the process.

There's also the Conduit. Twice. Once the Protheans saved our asses with it and once we saved our asses with their help.

[Anacronian Stryx]

So I'm guessing the travel to the Andromeda Galaxy might involved wormholes.

 

since ..

https://twitter.com/scyllacosta

[CannotCompute]

Finding a secret relay in the middle of ME3 still feels a little cheap to me too, though.

 

And there'd still be the issue of people wanting to go back, or wanting the Milky Way to send through their favourite characters. 

 

FTL would feel "earned" because it takes hundreds of years, and because the colonists would probably be on their own once in Andromeda. 

 

They could decide to somehow shut the Relay down as soon as the Ark ship went through it, to prevent the Reapers from ever being able to follow (should they ever discover it).

 

Btw, I'm cool with FTL ofcourse. And it would indeed feel "earned".

[Heimdall]

They could decide to somehow shut the Relay down as soon as the Ark ship went through it, to prevent the Reapers from ever being able to follow (should they ever discover it).

Do they even know how to do that? And why couldn't the Reapers just turn it back on?

[CannotCompute]

Do they even know how to do that? And why couldn't the Reapers just turn it back on?

 

It's all up to the writers, I guess.  Just throwing some ideas here.