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[Cheviot]

So how come the Shadow Broker didn't know about this plan that everyone is talking about?  A secret so secret it's kept secret from a secret spy network?  That's some secret.

[wright1978]

Citadel DLC Normandy maintenance?

Or 6 months ripping the ship apart between me2 & 3.

[ZoliCs]

Is there any mentions of relay reach limits in the lore somewhere? We know the one Saren tried to open in ME1 leads deep into the dark space.

"There are two kinds of mass relay, primary and secondary. Primary relays can propel a ship thousands of light years but only link to one other relay, its "partner". Secondary relays can link to any other relay over shorter distances, only a few hundred light years."

[MrFob]

Is there any mentions of relay reach limits in the lore somewhere? We know the one Saren tried to open in ME1 leads deep into the dark space.

 

Not that I know. Of course, you do need to get a receiving relay to the destination first, before you can use one to get there.

 

So what if the Leviathans hurled a relay in the direction of the Andromda galaxy a billion years ago, during their own reaper war. Now it arrived and we use it to get there?

Of course, the Leviathans would have had to do that in secret, so that the reapers don't know about it and the evac is still viable.

 

And if the new intergalactic relay is a prototype, similar to how the Protheans' Conduit was a normal relay prototype, it may also only link in one direction.

[ZoliCs]

Or 6 months ripping the ship apart between me2 & 3.

But that was Alliance project.

[CronoDragoon]

Not that I recall, but a relay to Andromeda would mean there is now somehow an intergalactic network of mass relays rather than just an interstellar network within a single galaxy.
 
Also, at 2.5 million light years, it would be hugely impractical... unless of course BioWare doesn't care about maintaining a certain degree of believability anymore.

Believability never applied to element zero, though, so I think fabrications that leverage element zero as Mass Effect's "one big lie" are fair game.

[wright1978]

So how come the Shadow Broker didn't know about this plan that everyone is talking about?  A secret so secret it's kept secret from a secret spy network?  That's some secret.

Who's to say original broker didn't know and hid/removed the evidence to use as leverage with the reapers at some later point.
Hence why Liara wouldn't have knowledge to spill to Shephard.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Is there any mentions of relay reach limits in the lore somewhere? We know the one Saren tried to open in ME1 leads deep into the dark space.

Yes. 

 

There are two kinds of mass relay, primary and secondary. Primary relays can propel a ship thousands of light years but only link to one other relay, its "partner". Secondary relays can link to any other relay over shorter distances, only a few hundred light years.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think you're taking a light-hearted and self-referential joke a bit too seriously here.

I don't appreciate people making jokes at another's expense. Sounds too much like an excuse used by bullies.

[CronoDragoon]

Yes. 
 
There are two kinds of mass relay, primary and secondary. Primary relays can propel a ship thousands of light years but only link to one other relay, its "partner". Secondary relays can link to any other relay over shorter distances, only a few hundred light years.

 
Not that this has ever been empirically tested by the galactic inhabitants, since the Reapers were the ones that built the relays. In any case, I doubt they'll use a relay.
 

I don't appreciate people making jokes at another's expense. Sounds too much like an excuse used by bullies.

...it would be a joke at BioWare's expense.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 
Not that this has ever been empirically tested by the galactic inhabitants, since the Reapers were the ones that built the relays. In any case, I doubt they'll use a relay.

If they hadn't tested it, they wouldn't know. The Codex is written from their POV, hence ME1 saying the Protheans built the Citadel and Mass Relays. 

 

But I was just answering a question of if the Mass Relay's had stated limits. 

 

 ...it would be a joke at BioWare's expense.

And the players, since they have beaten us over the head with how much we shape Shepard. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

And the players, since they have beaten us over the head with how much we shape Shepard. 

Given the particular line in question was largely mocked and criticized by the fanbase/players, not so much.

[dreamgazer]

Given the particular line in question was largely mocked and criticized by the fanbase/players, not so much.

So was "Ah yes, Reapers".

[CronoDragoon]

And the players, since they have beaten us over the head with how much we shape Shepard. 

 

As Grey points out, this line in particular has been specifically called out by the fanbase over and over again in reference to bad auto-dialogue, so it would be about acknowledging the goof. But as I said I doubt they'd do something in particular referencing that line.

[CronoDragoon]

If they hadn't tested it, they wouldn't know. The Codex is written from their POV, hence ME1 saying the Protheans built the Citadel and Mass Relays. 

 

But I was just answering a question of if the Mass Relay's had stated limits.

 

How would they know? They can't build mass relays. They can only possibly know the limit that the existing relays display, not the actual limit of the Mass Effect.

[dreamgazer]

Maybe, but building one exploration ship wouldn't raise the same questions that stockpiling fleet and weaponry would (again, assuming the Council wants to keep this under wraps from the public, or set up red herrings why they are building what they are).

This endeavor is going to take a lot more than one exploration ship, though. You're going to need to plan for every single conceivable thing that could go wrong in a transport vessel for, at the very least, thousands of individuals. Maintenance, engineering, health, the works.
 

And I don't think there's anything in the trilogy that specifically precludes the notion that the Council was researching the Reapers on the side: indeed Sovereign's data being present in their secret archives may suggest the opposite.

Yet nothing to show for it, except air quotes. It's an incredibly dismissive and shady foundation for which to build a new narrative, not to mention heavily reliant on a bleak reason for embarking in the first place.
 

It's already been established that the Reaper's Eye isn't infallible - as Ilos, Javik, and the Crucible plans escaped their detection. We also know it's possible for the Reaper IFF to allow ships to pass unnoticed, though it would take some explaining how the Council gained this tech from the Normandy.

All of which took place in the confines of their workspace, none of which involved spilling the chaos into their domain.
 
An IFF is an enormous gamble for a project of that magnitude.
 

Oh, they'd never do that line specifically. But the general line of thought is that Shepard was already dedicated to fighting the Reapers, and that he wouldn't really be of any help with a contingency plan to escape.

I agree, but: a) there's no reason they wouldn't inform Shepard of the contingency plan for full disclosure and context of the situation; and you're still going to run into plenty of frustrated players who have objected to the lack of proper council assistance since ME2.

[SofaJockey]

Who's to say original broker didn't know and hid/removed the evidence to use as leverage with the reapers at some later point.
Hence why Liara wouldn't have knowledge to spill to Shephard.

 

Who's to say the current broker isn't going along...  .

[GreyLycanTrope]

So was "Ah yes, Reapers".

Good times.

[CronoDragoon]

This endeavor is going to take a lot more than one exploration ship, though. You're going to need to plan for every single conceivable thing that could go wrong in a transport vessel for, at the very least, thousands of individuals. Maintenance, engineering, health, the works.

 

While that's true, I think my larger point is that what's important is the ostensible reason for such construction. Exploration vs. galactic war. "You yell barracuda, everyone goes huh? What? You yell shark, we've got a panic on our hands on the Fourth of July."

 

Yet nothing to show for it, except air quotes. It's an incredibly dismissive and shady foundation for which to build a new narrative, not to mention heavily reliant on a bleak reason for embarking in the first place.

 

Well yeah, nothing to show from it from Shepard's perspective. I don't see the issue with the motivation being bleak.
 

All of which took place in the confines of their workspace, none of which involved spilling the chaos into their domain.
 
An IFF is an enormous gamble for a project of that magnitude.

 

Is there anything that wouldn't be an enormous gamble?

 

I'm not sure why Reapers would suddenly be able to detect something that's trying to escape more competently than they were able to detect what I stated above. Either they are omniscient or they aren't, and if they aren't then that possibility is a justifiable contrivance to escape the quagmire of continuing the series after ME3. In my opinion, of course.

 

I think if fans go into this not expecting to compromise at least a little bit on suspension of disbelief, then they'll probably be disappointed. At the very least, give BW the same leeway with contrivance that ME1 and ME2 had.
 

I agree, but: a) there's no reason they wouldn't inform Shepard of the contingency plan for full disclosure and context of the situation; and you're still going to run into plenty of frustrated players who have objected to the lack of proper council assistance since ME2.

 

No doubt for your second point. As for the first, I'm still not sure why full disclosure to Shepard matters from the Council's point of view.

[laudable11]

Just thinking out loud. If the Ark thing is real, will there be any children onboard?

[MrFob]

Just thinking out loud. If the Ark thing is real, will there be any children onboard?

 

If so, I just hope they are not glowing.

[ZoliCs]

Just thinking out loud. If the Ark thing is real, will there be any children onboard?

Wouldn't be logical. What can a child contribute to the repopulation of a race?

[ZoliCs]

If so, I just hope they are not glowing.

At first glance I've read "growing" and was like "ewwwwwww"

[wright1978]

Who's to say the current broker isn't going along...  .

 

Well i thought it best not to suggest antagonising Liara fans.

[wright1978]

Just thinking out loud. If the Ark thing is real, will there be any children onboard?

 

You'd assume some of the key personnel would have families, that'd likely be accomodated.