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[Kabooooom]

Even if an Ark was constructed 3 years prior, they need some major explaining to do. You woudn't be getting to Andromeda in 300 years. Reapers are known to have the fastest FTL drives (twice the speed of the fastest Citadel/Alliance ships), and they can travel 30 light years in 24 hours. That's roughly 10-11 thousand light years in 365 days.... with constant travel. So about 5000 light years in a Citadel ship.... if they can manage constant travel...which they couldn't.

Andromeda is 2.5 million light years away.

If you actually do the math, they would get there in 570 years with a speed of 12 lightyears/day (average known speed of vessels in the ME universe).

At 30 lightyears/day, a Reaper could reach Andromeda in 228 years. So he was right about the general ballpark. It'd take centuries, NOT millennia, which is nothing on a cosmic time scale.

However, the problem comes in that Reapers dont have to discharge their drive cores - conventional FTL engines do. With a lack of close by stars in intergalactic space, the ark ships would fry on the inside long before reaching Andromeda.

That's the only difficulty with the journey in lore. Otherwise cryo + known FTL speeds easily account for the journey.

[Iakus]

Fuel would also be a difficulty (no Helium-3 depots in dark space).  And power to keep the stasis chambers going.

[goishen]

If you actually do the math, they would get there in 570 years with a speed of 12 lightyears/day (average known speed of vessels in the ME universe).

At 30 lightyears/day, a Reaper could reach Andromeda in 228 years. So he was right about the general ballpark. It'd take centuries, NOT millennia, which is nothing on a cosmic time scale.

However, the problem comes in that Reapers dont have to discharge their drive cores - conventional FTL engines do. With a lack of close by stars in intergalactic space, the ark ships would fry on the inside long before reaching Andromeda.

That's the only difficulty with the journey in lore. Otherwise cryo + known FTL speeds easily account for the journey.

 

 

Right, but that only accounts of not having organics inside.  But with them all in cryosleep...   Why do you have to vent the drive cores?   Why can't you just open up and let space do the venting for you?  The only problem, as Iakus said, would be fuel.

[Iakus]

Right, but that only accounts of not having organics inside.  But with them all in cryosleep...   Why do you have to vent the drive cores?   Why can't you just open up and let space do the venting for you?

 

Because the cores are building up static electricity. Which eventually discharges into the ship's hull if it can't be directed elsewhere (namely a planet's magnetic field or a special discharging facility provided by a space station).  If it discharges into the hull, then best case:  You fry the ship's electronics.  Worst case, you fry the  crew.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, I'm really excited that by moving to Andromeda they can get back to the "stranger in a strange land" feel of ME1.

 

We have no idea what's in this galaxy - the races, the environments, the politics, the locations, the history... it's all waiting to be discovered.

 

That, and I really like some of the ideas about customisation of our ship and Mako.

We have no idea what's in 99% of the Milky Way, so the feel would still be there without making the entire Shepard Trilogy pointless. 

[SolNebula]

And there the the space magic card is going to be pulled out of BW sleeve.

It just happen that study on Reaper propulsion system (Sovereign) provided the solution we required to get out of this frying pan without worry.

[Revan Reborn]

Going to the Andromeda galaxy really doesn't make any sense. If anybody actually remembers Mass Effect, all the technology the various races used was based on reaper tech (the Mass Relays, Citadel, FTL, etc.). They do not have the capacity to travel far distances in a reasonable amount of time otherwise without the use of a Mass Relay line. Again, the biggest detractor of this "survey" is it clearly is based off the Ark theory which is just a fan fabrication. It may as well be just as reliable as IT. For this new "setting" to make any sense, BioWare would have a lot of explaining to do. Honestly, it would be easier just staying in the Milky Way with most of it still unexplored versus going somewhere completely new. No, the diverging endings aren't a justification to leave the Milky Way. There are methods around that.

[Kabooooom]

Right, but that only accounts of not having organics inside. But with them all in cryosleep... Why do you have to vent the drive cores? Why can't you just open up and let space do the venting for you?

The electric charge builds up, shortcircuiting everything inside - frying electronics. Not only that, but the internal temperature of the spacecraft would continue to build and not "vent" due to thermodynamics - radiation would be the only way to dissipate heat, which is comparatively slow. This is why you dont instantly freeze when exposed to the vacuum of space, despite Hollywood thinking otherwise.

Despite the fact that I was one of the very first people to propose Ark Theory, I was also one of the first (if not the first) to point out that the current lore of Mass Effect does not allow for a continuous FTL journey to Andromeda.

However, it DOES very much allow for a continuous sublight journey to Andromeda. Additionally, we haven't seen relativistic travel exploited in Mass Effect due to the existence of the relay network and Mass Effect drive cores rendering it irrelevant. A relativistic journey to Andromeda could be accomplished similarly, with centuries passing for the inhabitants but millions of years passing for the rest of the universe. It is possible via relativity to make a journey across the entire Milky Way galaxy at sublight speeds in a single human lifetime due to time dilation of the spacecraft.

[Pasquale1234]

Little known fun fact: After Sovereign was blown to bits all over the Citadel, its drive core was found intact and has since been studied by a top secret group of specialists who managed to learn its technology and are able to replicate it.

Of course, I just made that up, but the writers can come up with whatever premise they need to make it work.

[Revan Reborn]

Little known fun fact: After Sovereign was blown to bits all over the Citadel, its drive core was found intact and has since been studied by a top secret group of specialists who managed to learn its technology and are able to replicate it.

Of course, I just made that up, but the writers can come up with whatever premise they need to make it work.

Or, we can recognize this "survey" is likely false because it doesn't make any sense at all? The "khet." The "remnant." "Horde mode." It sounds like some guy decided to change a few terms such as "geth" and "reaper" and decided to name the ME3 MP off the GoW MP it largely copied. Not to mention, the entire premise is another Shepard trilogy, so I can't even understand why anybody would be in support of this. We already know from BioWare the new story will be vastly different from the original and more low key. The fact anybody believes this is beyond me...

[goishen]

And there the the space magic card is going to be pulled out of BW sleeve.

It just happen that study on Reaper propulsion system (Sovereign) provided the solution we required to get out of this frying pan without worry.

 

 

Actually, I'll bet this is what they'll do.

 

A new Sovereign propulsion related paper, mostly just theories, gave way to a new engine calling itself the Uniform propulsion core.  (after the Tantalous drive core)  It has no need of existing drive core releases that are present within the Tantalous, and previous, drive cores, yet scientists are still baffled how Sovereign moved without refueling.  (read in that guy's voice that did the news in ME1)

 

I bet you've got it.  

 

And with refueling, there have got to be some sort of asteroids that we can chase down between here and Andromeda that have some Eezo.

[Jaquio]

When you really get down to it, Mass Effect's lore kind of sucks. There's no consistency whatsoever. Different companies make different guns with the same name, Krogans are regenerative machines but not really because of gameplay balance reasons, we have Dark Energy stuff that no one really explains, the Reapers were able to traverse the Galaxy at no loss whatsoever and dominated everyone despite their plans being foiled repeatedly and them not having any backups, no one knows how any alien government or religion truly operates, what role religion plays in the Galaxy, what role cultural differences within the same places play, and so on and so forth.

 

We have a very big, very beautiful, and very vague galaxy. Mass Effect's lore gets a pass because most science-fiction universes that focus more on lore are just plain awful or worse, boring. Mass Effect is good and not boring, so it fares better than most.

 

That's exactly what I was talking about, though.

 

Most of those "inconsistencies" you point out were the result of turnover in writers.  For example, the "Dark Energy stuff that no one really explains" wasn't dropped because they stopped caring or because of bad writing.  It was dropped because it was lead writer Drew Karpyshyn's big storyline, and once he got ousted, the writers that took over didn't care about it, so they pretended it didn't exist and moved on.

[Kabooooom]

Or, we can recognize this "survey" is likely false because it doesn't make any sense at all? The "khet." The "remnant." "Horde mode." It sounds like some guy decided to change a few terms such as "geth" and "reaper" and decided to name the ME3 MP off the GoW MP it largely copied. Not to mention, the entire premise is another Shepard trilogy, so I can't even understand why anybody would be in support of this. We already know from BioWare the new story will be vastly different from the original and more low key. The fact anybody believes this is beyond me...

It doesn't really matter if its false. People like you are ignoring that the reason WHY people are buying it hook-line-and-sinker is the SAME reason why Ark Theory was proposed in the first place:

It is so painfully, incredibly obvious that the general concept of the plot is the easiest "out" for the writers to take, while accomplishing what they have stated they want to do. It satisfies Occam's Razor. Thus, the basic premise is probably correct, if you're playing the odds.

I said it a year ago and I will say it again - if you are attached to the setting of the old trilogy, you'd best get over it because Bioware is probably going to burn it all and start anew.

And good for them. Lets do things right this time.

Also, I find the parallels between this forum and the Halo Waypoint forum hilarious, in that people over there are flipping out over changes in Halo 5: Guardians. Get over it. Open your mind a little. It's a new adventure and thr game will probably still be incredibly fun.

[Kabooooom]

Reapers are still only twice as fast. I don't know what their drive core would offer, except expanse in the Milky Way. It isn't anything compared to traveling to another galaxy. Whatever civilization that managed intergalactic status would dwarf the Reapers in power. And Darth Vader to boot. Also, Khan and Kirk's lovechild.

Like I said above, a few hundred years is nothing on a cosmic scale. It's less than a blink of an eye. The mass effect lore spans billions of years. Moving the story ahead by a few hundred is cake, especially if the crew was in cryo and the tech is all more or less the same.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Also, I find the parallels between this forum and the Halo Waypoint forum hilarious, in that people over there are flipping out over changes in Halo 5: Guardians. Get over it. Open your mind a little. It's a new adventure and thr game will probably still be incredibly fun.

Why? What's happening in the Halo news?

[Revan Reborn]

It doesn't really matter if its false. People like you are ignoring that the reason WHY people are buying it hook-line-and-sinker is the SAME reason why Ark Theory was proposed in the first place:

It is so painfully, incredibly obvious that the general concept of the plot is the easiest "out" for the writers to take, while accomplishing what they have stated they want to do. It satisfies Occam's Razor. Thus, the basic premise is probably correct, if you're playing the odds.

I said it a year ago and I will say it again - if you are attached to the setting of the old trilogy, you'd best get over it because Bioware is probably going to burn it all and start anew.

And good for them. Lets do things right this time.

Also, I find the parallels between this forum and the Halo Waypoint forum hilarious, in that people over there are flipping out over changes in Halo 5: Guardians. Get over it. Open your mind a little. It's a new adventure and thr game will probably still be incredibly fun.

It's worth noting the Ark theory is a fan creation. Thus, it holds no weight nor does it have any authority just because of fringe of the community doesn't understand how more stories can be told in the Milky Way.

 

There's nothing to do right... Mass Effect is one of the most successful, iconic, and popular franchises today. Some of the player base did not like the endings, but BioWare certainly didn't "ruin" anything.

 

This has nothing to do with being "close-minded." This is calling BS when I see it. BioWare said the new story would be a departure from the ME trilogy. What they also said is it will still very much be ME.

 

I think the only one who needs to be cautious here is you. When BioWare reveals the next Mass Effect at E3 and you find out the Ark theory, Andromeda, and all this other nonsense was nothing more than a elaborate troll, the jokes on you...

[ElitePinecone]

When BioWare reveals the next Mass Effect at E3 and you find out the Ark theory, Andromeda, and all this other nonsense was nothing more than a elaborate troll, the jokes on you...

 

 

This is a silly attitude to take, and I think you're setting yourself up to be disappointed. 

[Kabooooom]

Why? What's happening in the Halo news?

Oh man, the "hardcore" (read:closed-minded and hipsterish) fans oppose everything from new gameplay mechanics, to 343's masterful fleshing out of new characters, to claiming 343 "destroyed" Bungie's original vision of Forerunners and humans being identical despite that Bungie themselves retconned the idea in the terminals of Halo 3. There are countless posts by people of what constitutes "true" Halo.

It's hilarious. The parallels are great. You have two sets of fans: Those who think they know what Halo should be and rail against change of setting, characters, and gameplay - and those who are open to change.

Same as here.

The only difference is, Mass Effect fans are more gullible because they've only been burned badly once (whereas with Halo fans there is the perception of being burned repeatedly since Reach, lol), and 343 is more open to dialogue with fans than is Bioware.

[Pasquale1234]

Or, we can recognize this "survey" is likely false because it doesn't make any sense at all? The "khet." The "remnant." "Horde mode." It sounds like some guy decided to change a few terms such as "geth" and "reaper" and decided to name the ME3 MP off the GoW MP it largely copied. Not to mention, the entire premise is another Shepard trilogy, so I can't even understand why anybody would be in support of this. We already know from BioWare the new story will be vastly different from the original and more low key. The fact anybody believes this is beyond me...

This is one of the reasons why it might have some truth to it.

If they are planning a big reveal for E3, this 'leak' is a way for them to start socializing major design features in advance, to give people some time to process and work through their discontent / disbelief prior to the reveal.

They wrote themselves into a corner in ME3, leaving several decisions that would impact species' futures - and the entire fate of the galaxy - in the player's hands. How could they possibly negotiate all of those possible world states to create a coherent setting?

They've been pretty clear about some things:
-- No canon. Players choices in the trilogy will be respected.
-- No imports required.

They could, I suppose, set ME:Next in a part of the Milky Way unaffected by the reaper invasion, but that would still leave players wanting to get back to familiar space, wondering what's going on with whatever world state they left in ME3. Sometimes it's easier to just make a completely clean break and go to an entirely new space.

The original ME trilogy is over.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Oh man, the "hardcore" (read:closed-minded and hipsterish) fans oppose everything from new gameplay mechanics, to 343's masterful fleshing out of new characters, to claiming 343 "destroyed" Bungie's original vision of Forerunners and humans being identical despite that Bungie themselves retconned the idea in the terminals of Halo 3. There are countless posts by people of what constitutes "true" Halo.

It's hilarious. The parallels are great. You have two sets of fans: Those who think they know what Halo should be and rail against change of setting, characters, and gameplay - and those who are open to change.

Same as here.

The only difference is, Mass Effect fans are more gullible because they've only been burned badly once (whereas with Halo fans there is the perception of being burned repeatedly since Reach, lol), and 343 is more open to dialogue with fans than is Bioware.

Ah, okay. I didn't know if there was a leak or something that set them up in arms, but I knew this. Thank you for answering me.

[Kabooooom]

It's worth noting the Ark theory is a fan creation. Thus, it holds no weight nor does it have any authority just because of fringe of the community doesn't understand how more stories can be told in the Milky Way.

There's nothing to do right... Mass Effect is one of the most successful, iconic, and popular franchises today. Some of the player base did not like the endings, but BioWare certainly didn't "ruin" anything.

This has nothing to do with being "close-minded." This is calling BS when I see it. BioWare said the new story would be a departure from the ME trilogy. What they also said is it will still very much be ME.

I think the only one who needs to be cautious here is you. When BioWare reveals the next Mass Effect at E3 and you find out the Ark theory, Andromeda, and all this other nonsense was nothing more than a elaborate troll, the jokes on you...

If you actually read my posts, which it is clear that you didn't, you would see that I never once bought into this reveal.

What I SAID was (and ill make this brief to keep your attention), myself and others proposed a scenario like Ark Theory long ago as a POSSIBLE (read: Not definitive) route that the writers could take for ME:Next if they wanted to preserve, yet avoid, the endings. I dont even like it or particularly want it, but it seems probable.

In every post I've made regarding this "leak", I've used skeptical and indefinite terminology such as "if this is true, then". The difference between myself and you is I am open to the possibility, and you are not.

Thus, I am going to archive this post of yours such that IF (read: A possibility, not definitive) E3 reveals a similar plot to the leak, I can refresh your memory about why you shouldn't get your hopes up next time about how you think a story should go and what you think constitutes Mass Effect.

And IF (read: Possible, not definitive) that eventuality comes to pass, I wont lie: I will experience a bit of Schadenfreude from the transaction.

[SojournerN7]

I'm not buying into any information put forth that is not from the development team. Speculation on existing information whether true or false however, is on the table.

 

Assuming for whatever reason we end up in another Galaxy, I would assume the Citadel may play some role. Perhaps not just a gateway for the reapers to invade, but a Mass Relay to connect other galaxies. Could explain reaper numbers even considering a cycle is approximately every 50,000 years.

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