I mean logically, a native alien population would have their own infrastructure and supply lines pre-established compared to the mass of refugees coming in from the Milky Way so unless Andromeda is technologically undeveloped I don't see how a small band of outsiders can hope to compete with beings that have evolved and developed here for and undisclosed amount of time.
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It would certainly leave more to explore in terms of the "Ark society" that would have sprung up and relations between the species.Interesting points. I've always assumed we'll be In Medias Res right after the arrival to Andromeda, but it does seem like waiting a bit would open more opportunities for story.
Yeah, I'm actually kind of surprised to hear the theory that the jump to Andromeda will be hand-waved as a generations-past event.
It probably won't be generations-past. It'll probably be less than 50 years after the Relay to Andromeda was discovered, so there'll be various private enterprises already there and enough conflict developed before the Pathfinder Initative sends whoever to go and set up a serious settlement.
What would people think of a sub-light speed journey that took 4 million years? Is that plausible? So society would have presumably developed on the Ark(s). Recycling would have to be superb. It does get round the FTL discharge the drive core problem but seems a bit too much of a stretch to me. It would have been better to try the Prothean trick.
I personally don't think there will be an Ark of any sort, Your Character is named Pathfinder for a reason meaning their ship(tempest) were meant to go first and find the way.
I think it will be done through a wormhole - pathfinder enters and the wormhole collapses before anything else goes though leaving the Tempest and it's small crew all alone in Andromeda.
What would people think of a sub-light speed journey that took 4 million years? Is that plausible? So society would have presumably developed on the Ark(s). Recycling would have to be superb. It does get round the FTL discharge the drive core problem but seems a bit too much of a stretch to me. It would have been better to try the Prothean trick.
That would be impossible. After living on a ship for 4 million years we wouldn't even be humans anymore. Just look at what happened with the Quarians after a few centuries.
What would people think of a sub-light speed journey that took 4 million years? Is that plausible? So society would have presumably developed on the Ark(s). Recycling would have to be superb. It does get round the FTL discharge the drive core problem but seems a bit too much of a stretch to me. It would have been better to try the Prothean trick.
That's a helluva lot of He-3 to bring along.
That's a helluva lot of He-3 to bring along.
You wouldn't actually need very much at all if you are talking about fuel. The entire point of a sub light speed journey would be to drift virtually the entire way.
That would be impossible. After living on a ship for 4 million years we wouldn't even be humans anymore. Just look at what happened with the Quarians after a few centuries.
Yeah, it does seem a stretch. You could be sleeping I guess with a skeleton crew that rotates. But 4 million years just seems a bit excessive. Even if it could be done there would be easier options. Like why not head for Canis Major Dwarf?
You wouldn't actually need very much at all if you are talking about fuel. The entire point of a sub light speed journey would be to drift virtually the entire way.
You'd still need to brake when you get there. Plus maneuvering fuel for an unknown period of time (who knows how long it would take to find a good garden world)
Then you'd need to get around to setting up a facility to mine more from a gas giant..
You'd still need to brake when you get there. Plus maneuvering fuel for an unknown period of time (who knows how long it would take to find a good garden world)
Then you'd need to get around to setting up a facility to mine more from a gas giant..
As I understand ME3 lore, it would be exactly the same amount of fuel you would need for any FTL jump. And you could carry many times that amount. Fuel is not the issue.
Yeah, it does seem a stretch. You could be sleeping I guess with a skeleton crew that rotates. But 4 million years just seems a bit excessive. Even if it could be done there would be easier options. Like why not head for Canis Major Dwarf?
The Prothean Stasis Pods were running short on energy after 50k years :/
The Prothean Stasis Pods were running short on energy after 50k years :/
You would have to do better than those, but I don't actually think that would be the problem either. There is plenty of electromagnetic energy in space to power the ships. The bigger problem is what you said before.
Ships and everything else radiate heat into space. No amount of recycling can stop that.
Simple conservation of energy tells us you're going to run out of energy to support life without a source of power.
You would have to do better than those, but I don't actually think that would be the problem either. There is plenty of electromagnetic energy in space to power the ships. The bigger problem is what you said before.
No there isn't.
That's a helluva lot of He-3 to bring along.
A body in motion stays in motion unless and outside force acts upon it. While on the Milky Way, they might experience slight slowdowns due to gas and dust, however intergalactic travel should be pretty much free of slowdowns or any trouble at all. The biggest problem with the game taking place in Andromeda would be how the hell will you preserve the humans for the trip (Interstellar Plan B?). Even at the speed of light, it should take almost 2.5 million years.
Which leads us to a related question, how fast can ships travel in ME? It is never specified how many times faster than the speed of light the ships can travel.
Ships and everything else radiate heat into space. No amount of recycling can stop that.
Simple conservation of energy tells us you're going to run out of energy to support life without a source of power.
No there isn't.
It's a vacuum, the only heat diffusion is through radiation which can be reflected if you wanted to, but you don't even need to. There is electromagnetic energy in space between galaxies which has been pumped out by the trillions of stars for 18 billion years. There are even stars between galaxies.
Which leads us to a related question, how fast can ships travel in ME? It is never specified how many times faster than the speed of light the ships can travel.
Council ship FTL is clocking around 5,000x the speed of light. Reaper is 11k.
No, it can't be reflected. The amount of the energy the ship encounters is going to be tiny unless it's very close to a star or some other source, and in any case energy doesn't work like that. You can't just scoop energy out of the air and put it in your space gas tank and be on your way.
I'm wondering now if maybe lots of people have continued living on the Ark and resource shortages or population pressure has meant we need to find a permanent place to settle down? The leak talks a lot about finding "a new home for humanity".
This makes me wonder... What if humanity was kicked off of the council and out of the Citadel?
HmmmmmmmmmmMmmmmMMMmmmmm.
And then this could cause civil wars (at the very least civil disruption) with all races and those siding with us (humans) either lost the war or took our **** and went to another galaxy. Or both.
HmmmmmmmmMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmm.
Good lord this is fun to think about.
EDIT : No, that actually makes sense. With all of BioWare's tweets about having the possibility of meeting up with a few old characters... We could leave after the end of the third game. But still they wouldn't reference the ME trilogy, all they would say was that earth was lost. Never has winning come at such a high cost.
Something to that effect.
Yep, I hope this sort of stuff is explored too. It would be pretty interesting if we spent the whole game building colonies with a sense of triumphlalism only to have it thrown back in our faces at the end of the game that this is basically imperialism.
Though, from the story synopsis it feels like the Helius Cluster was occupied by the Remnant in large numbers, but they mostly disappeared, and now both humans and Khet are coming in as outsiders to try to claim this region. Sort of like a terra nullius situation, except some of the original inhabitants have remained behind to guard their lost treasures.
One of my favourite parts of ME3 was the conversations with batarians on the Citadel and the way BW tried to humanise them a bit, especially after Shepard straight-up murdered like 300,000 of them.
(Damnit, Arrival.)
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This makes me wonder... What if humanity was kicked off of the council and out of the Citadel?
The only people who need to get kicked... or suspended.. are the Asari.
But i'm not even sure of that. They lost their homeworld and paid far more than they had to.
Batarians had a slave society, even before they went rogue. They were purposely meant to be the whipping boys of the galaxy. It's supposed to be fun beating them down, and making them drink their own poison. 
How would they know? They can't build mass relays. They can only possibly know the limit that the existing relays display, not the actual limit of the Mass Effect.
If they can't even figure out Mass Relays, how will they figure out intergalactic travel when it is an exponentially harder problem to solve.
Just thinking out loud. If the Ark thing is real, will there be any children onboard?
Most likely. They are the future after all. It's not like they will even make it to Andromeda unless they do cryo sleep.
Wouldn't be logical. What can a child contribute to the repopulation of a race?
Grow up and help repopulate.
Oh no, I think I just thought of something else I'm not going to like. This new culture is going to really encourage casual sex to increase population, isn't it?
How do you get to another galaxy? Relays don't work right?
That's the big question.
Yep, Mass Relays wouldn't work, unless there is a Mass Relay in Dark Space that lets Reapers travel from one galaxy to another.
How do you figure?
Designing an ark ship that is large enough to support thousands of people for who knows how long/ a fleet of smaller ark ships that can achieve intergalactic travel is a lot harder to do than a weapon which was left purposefully simple to construct.
Oh no, I think I just thought of something else I'm not going to like. This new culture is going to really encourage casual sex, isn't it?
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