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[Kabooooom]

I'm not buying into any information put forth that is not from the development team. Speculation on existing information whether true or false however, is on the table.

Assuming for whatever reason we end up in another Galaxy, I would assume the Citadel may play some role. Perhaps not just a gateway for the reapers to invade, but a Mass Relay to connect other galaxies. Could explain reaper numbers even considering a cycle is approximately every 50,000 years.

Spoiler

Eh, I hope not. Hopefully the Reapers are gone forever.

[Mathias]

If leaving the Milky Way, the Citadel, Omega, and all that jazz for good means having the new trilogy never having to acknowledge that horrid betrayal of a climax from Mass Effect 3, then I've already got my bags packed for Andromeda. 

[SolNebula]

In the end I got the feeling like the Montreal studio is saying.

Kind friends we don't want to clean the mess left by our beloved brothers of Edmonton so we invite you to see our concept for ME because we don't want to glue all the broken pieces of lore spread throughout the room. We did a new ME vase for ya. Please enjoy.

 

I know i'm going to buy this new vase and pretend their twins at Edmonton never broke the first one.

[Revan Reborn]

This is a silly attitude to take, and I think you're setting yourself up to be disappointed. 

Not at all when this survey comes across more as a troll than actual fact. I encourage you to read through it again. Just because the poster slapped in some ME races, a few ME3 features and DAI features, and changed the name of previous races doesn't make it accurate nor credible. Again, this came from a random poster on reddit without a source. In other words, we have to take his/her word that this is true. If you want to believe some random over the internet, by all means...

 

This is one of the reasons why it might have some truth to it.

If they are planning a big reveal for E3, this 'leak' is a way for them to start socializing major design features in advance, to give people some time to process and work through their discontent / disbelief prior to the reveal.

They wrote themselves into a corner in ME3, leaving several decisions that would impact species' futures - and the entire fate of the galaxy - in the player's hands. How could they possibly negotiate all of those possible world states to create a coherent setting?

They've been pretty clear about some things:
-- No canon. Players choices in the trilogy will be respected.
-- No imports required.

They could, I suppose, set ME:Next in a part of the Milky Way unaffected by the reaper invasion, but that would still leave players wanting to get back to familiar space, wondering what's going on with whatever world state they left in ME3. Sometimes it's easier to just make a completely clean break and go to an entirely new space.

The original ME trilogy is over.

Again, like many others, you overestimate the severity of the ME3 ending. The fact that you do not see a "solution" to the future does not mean one does not exist. Your point about a clean break doesn't make any sense. Whether we are still in a new sector of the Milky Way, which is far more likely, or a new galaxy, people will still want to know what happened. Do you understand why this sounds ridiculous?

 

Yes. Shepard's story is over. Mass Effect, however, is not.

 

If you actually read my posts, which it is clear that you didn't, you would see that I never once bought into this reveal.

What I SAID was (and ill make this brief to keep your attention), myself and others proposed a scenario like Ark Theory long ago as a POSSIBLE (read: Not definitive) route that the writers could take for ME:Next if they wanted to preserve, yet avoid, the endings. I dont even like it or particularly want it, but it seems probable.

In every post I've made regarding this "leak", I've used skeptical and indefinite terminology such as "if this is true, then". The difference between myself and you is I am open to the possibility, and you are not.

Thus, I am going to archive this post of yours such that IF (read: A possibility, not definitive) E3 reveals a similar plot to the leak, I can refresh your memory about why you shouldn't get your hopes up next time about how you think a story should go and what you think constitutes Mass Effect.

And IF (read: Possible, not definitive) that eventuality comes to pass, I wont lie: I will experience a bit of Schadenfreude from the transaction.

Why do I care what you and some other BSNers suggested BioWare could do? When were you the writing team? There are a thousand different things BioWare can do. Your "suggestion" is merely one and a horrible direction to go.

 

The difference between you and me is I've actually studied the "survey" closely and saw the inconsistencies with the new "races," the new "advanced technological threat," tossing random DAI and ME3 features together, the list goes on and on. We already know a bit about the story of the next Mass Effect from what BioWare has said. We have a new Mako. We have a new ship and crew. We also wear N7 armor, which means, you guessed it, we are N7.

 

We also know there are new species we will discover that are both friendly and hostile. The entire premise of this "survey" is built off the Ark theory and not what BioWare has told us about the next Mass Effect. I have my eyes wide open. Do you?

 

For your sake I hope you are right. Because if you aren't, you are going to be very disappointed.

[ElitePinecone]

Not at all when this survey comes across more as a troll than actual fact. I encourage you to read through it again. Just because the poster slapped in some ME races, a few ME3 features and DAI features, and changed the name of previous races doesn't make it accurate nor credible. Again, this came from a random poster on reddit without a source. In other words, we have to take his/her word that this is true. If you want to believe some random over the internet, by all means...

 

Three posters from neoGAF, who have had access to insider information in the past, have said that they consider it accurate. I can't see why those people would stake their reputation as internet cool kids by backing something that was a pile of nonsense. 

 

There's nothing in there that stands out as clearly and obviously impossible, in terms of what they could do for the next game, and my own judgement is that it's probably true.

 

I'm not relying on some random internet poster - I'm relying on the gut feel consensus of a lot of people, most of whom have been convinced by it. Go and read the neoGAF forum for the whole discussion.

[Kabooooom]

Not at all when this survey comes across more as a troll than actual fact. I encourage you to read through it again. Just because the poster slapped in some ME races, a few ME3 features and DAI features, and changed the name of previous races doesn't make it accurate nor credible. Again, this came from a random poster on reddit without a source. In other words, we have to take his/her word that this is true. If you want to believe some random over the internet, by all means...

Again, like many others, you overestimate the severity of the ME3 ending. The fact that you do not see a "solution" to the future does not mean one does not exist. Your point about a clean break doesn't make any sense. Whether we are still in a new sector of the Milky Way, which is far more likely, or a new galaxy, people will still want to know what happened. Do you understand why this sounds ridiculous?

Yes. Shepard's story is over. Mass Effect, however, is not.

Why do I care what you and some other BSNers suggested BioWare could do? When were you the writing team? There are a thousand different things BioWare can do. Your "suggestion" is merely one and a horrible direction to go.

The difference between you and me is I've actually studied the "survey" closely and saw the inconsistencies with the new "races," the new "advanced technological threat," tossing random DAI and ME3 features together, the list goes on and on. We already know a bit about the story of the next Mass Effect from what BioWare has said. We have a new Mako. We have a new ship and crew. We also wear N7 armor, which means, you guessed it, we are N7.

We also know there are new species we will discover that are both friendly and hostile. The entire premise of this "survey" is built off the Ark theory and not what BioWare has told us about the next Mass Effect. I have my eyes wide open. Do you?

For your sake I hope you are right. Because if you aren't, you are going to be very disappointed.

Once again, read the post before commenting please and cut with straw man BS:

I am ambivalent towards ark theory. I dont particularly like it. I dont particularly hate it. I dont particularly want Bioware to choose it. It is predictable. I am open to change.

You are not. Given that change is pretty much a certainty at this point, I am quite certain that YOU will be the one disappointed. And like I said in the other thread:

The nerdrage will be glorious.

[Han Yolo]

But, will my space gal have green glowing weirdo eyes if I chose synthesis? 

[Iakus]

If it is fake, it's funny that someone wasted their time typing all of that up. I can be a geek myself, but... I'm outclassed here.

You don't recall Mass Shift?  That was pretty elaborate too.

 

And complete BS.

[AresKeith]

If it is fake, it's funny that someone wasted their time typing all of that up. I can be a geek myself, but... I'm outclassed here.

 

Some people can have too much time on their hands 

[SNascimento]

Regardless of this being fake or not, it's certainly very plausible and certainly fits with the the pseudo-information we have so far. It's a nice senario to think about. 

[Iakus]

I've heard of it.. but I've never taken the time to read most stuff.

 

http://forum.bioware...elaborate-fake/

 

Keep in mind it predates EC.

[Robert Cousland]

I think Mass Effect may have given him PTSD...lol

 

[Balsam Beige]

Three posters from neoGAF, who have had access to insider information in the past, have said that they consider it accurate. I can't see why those people would stake their reputation as internet cool kids by backing something that was a pile of nonsense. 
 
There's nothing in there that stands out as clearly and obviously impossible, in terms of what they could do for the next game, and my own judgement is that it's probably true.
 
I'm not relying on some random internet poster - I'm relying on the gut feel consensus of a lot of people, most of whom have been convinced by it. Go and read the neoGAF forum for the whole discussion.

At first, I dismissed the rumor. But the fact that three posters that have had inside information in the past, state that the leak is accurate, has me wondering.
Until we get confirmation, I am going take a wait and see approach. I would have preferred a story within the milky way but am not totally against the idea of another galaxy IF the story is well written and makes sense. I do believe that the ip can be moved passed the Shepard trilogy. SPACE is huge and the ip has so much potential.

[Kabooooom]

Ah, okay. I didn't know if there was a leak or something that set them up in arms, but I knew this. Thank you for answering me.

No prob.

Aaaahhh I just realized the most obvious/amusing comparison between the Mass Effect/Halo forums! How could I overlook that:

Both forums are aggressively debating what they independently call "Ark Theory". Hahahaha. Great stuff.

[SojournerN7]

Eh, I hope not. Hopefully the Reapers are gone forever.

 

Oh of course. No, we're done with that storyline.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

That's exactly what I was talking about, though.

 

Most of those "inconsistencies" you point out were the result of turnover in writers.  For example, the "Dark Energy stuff that no one really explains" wasn't dropped because they stopped caring or because of bad writing.  It was dropped because it was lead writer Drew Karpyshyn's big storyline, and once he got ousted, the writers that took over didn't care about it, so they pretended it didn't exist and moved on.

 

Turnover in the writing doesn't cause bad writing. Bad writers cause bad writing.

 

New people can come in, and if they care, the writing can be good. You bring in some random slobs, of course it's going to suck. No one at the top cared enough to stop the writing team from breaking pre-established lore, and may in fact have been directly responsible for it.

[timebean]

Can someone lay out for me why people are so pissed about moving outta the Milky way galaxy?  Why does it matter?  Is it the problem of being able to travel there (ie, a technology gripe)?  Or is it that it avoids whatever Shep did at the end of ME3 (ie, a cop-out)? Or do folks have some weird attachment to the Milky Way cause it is our galaxy (ethnocentrism)? I really don't get it...and I am being sincere.  Ie, I am not a troll trying to be sarcastic...I really would like someone to spell it out for me.

 

Also, what is the Ark theory?  (I am new here, so I am not fully aware what that controversy actually is...a link to the original discussion would be great!).

 

My worries with the new game have nothing to do with setting and everything to do with artistic direction.  I really liked Skyrim and DAI because open world exploration is pretty fun (at first).  But after I logged >200 hours in both games, i just got sick of it.  Boring fetch-quests, soulless NPC's. thin main plot...it resulted in utter boredom in the end.  That is my main concern with the details I have seen so far in this game.  It is just sad that the trend in gaming seems to be replacing a deep story with open, vapid worlds. I hope MEN doesn't go that direction.  If it does, then it is what it is, and I will either buy it or I won't.  But I hope they focus on story first in the game...regardless of where the setting is.

[Pasquale1234]

Again, like many others, you overestimate the severity of the ME3 ending. The fact that you do not see a "solution" to the future does not mean one does not exist. Your point about a clean break doesn't make any sense. Whether we are still in a new sector of the Milky Way, which is far more likely, or a new galaxy, people will still want to know what happened. Do you understand why this sounds ridiculous?

It isn't just the ending choices. The fate of the quarians, geth, rachni, and krogan were handed to the player to decide.

Oh, plenty of potential "solutions" to the future exist - but I think you underestimate the fan backlash that would occur if BioWare chose some particular set of outcomes. As you may have noticed, a lot of people are mighty attached to the trilogy's characters and stories, and anything BioWare would do would set off a whole new round of discontent.

People might still want to know what happened, but the expectation of learning anything else about trilogy outcomes will be vastly reduced if the setting is outside of the Milky Way.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Can someone lay out for me why people are so pissed about moving outta the Milky way galaxy?  Why does it matter?  Is it the problem of being able to travel there (ie, a technology gripe)?  Or is it that it avoids whatever Shep did at the end of ME3 (ie, a cop-out)? Or do folks have some weird attachment to the Milky Way cause it is our galaxy (ethnocentrism)? I really don't get it...and I am being sincere.  Ie, I am not a troll trying to be sarcastic...I really would like someone to spell it out for me.

I don't like it because it makes everything we learned and did in all the previous games utterly pointless. All the lore, all the technology, all the civilizations, all the characters, all the choices and connections we made. Just poof, gone.

[Grieving Natashina]

http://forum.bioware...elaborate-fake/

 

Keep in mind it predates EC.

Comedy gold!  Thanks for putting that up.

[Kabooooom]

I don't like it because it makes everything we learned and did in all the previous games utterly pointless. All the lore, all the technology, all the civilizations, all the characters, all the choices and connections we made. Just poof, gone.

Except they aren't gone. They're a separate, self-contained story. They still exist in the Milky Way. This is just a separate side story. So it wont directly relate to your choices from the prior trilogy - but so what? Your choices still mattered. The Milky Way still exists.

What people actually dont like is NOT that their choices dont "matter", its that they wanted to see the OUTCOME of those choices in the future.

Which is, admittedly, a lot less interesting and imaginative than just moving to a brand new setting altogether.

[Drone223]

Except they aren't gone. They're a separate, self-contained story. They still exist in the Milky Way. This is just a separate side story. So it wont directly relate to your choices from the prior trilogy - but so what? Your choices still mattered. The Milky Way still exists.

What people actually dont like is NOT that their choices dont "matter", its that they wanted to see the OUTCOME of those choices in the future.

Which is, admittedly, a lot less interesting and imaginative than just moving to a brand new setting altogether.

But leaving the galaxy does make everything Shepard did pointless because it renders whats happening there irrelavent. There is no point in saving the galaxy in the first place if your just going to leave it forever and never return. Its fate would be ambiguous (the bad kind of ambiguous) and the EC only gives a breif glimpse into the future its not the end all be all state of the galaxy. Its also worth noting that Bioware did make certain things canon in the past e.g. Udina being counciler, I wouldn't be suprised if the do it again.

[The Elder King]

But leaving the galaxy does make everything Shepard did pointless because it renders whats happening there irrelavent. There is no point in saving the galaxy in the first place if your just going to leave it forever and never return. Its fate would be ambiguous (the bad kind of ambiguous) and the EC only gives a breif glimpse into the future its not the end all be all state of the galaxy. Its also worth noting that Bioware did make certain things canon in the past e.g. Udina being counciler, I wouldn't be suprised if the do it again.

I don't agree With this. If Bioware would've decided to end the IP With the third game, would Shepard's Story be irrelevant?
I'd prefer to remain in the MW, But I don't think that moving to Andromeda would make the ME Trilogy irrelevant.