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[Iakus]

I hate that phrase when used by fans, because it's so often not true. Considering the changes in the setting the endings could bring about, there's no "Easily Make" when it comes to starting a new story in the Milky Way Galaxy. Too much has changed, too much needs to be accounted for in such a game for it to be "Easy". Oh I know some people will accept a handwave that allows them to do more in the Milky Way because that's what they prefer but it dosen't make it easy or even a good idea. Bioware told that Milky Way story, finished it up and gave you a conclusion, you may not have liked it, and that's fine but it was concluded with an epiloge to the whole thing to boot. There is no requirment to revist that Campaign setting again, moving on to sometheing different and new is a valid decision.

That's just it though:  NEW story.  THis is not Mass Effect 4.  There is no reason anything needs to be carried over.

[katamuro]

I hate that phrase when used by fans, because it's so often not true. Considering the changes in the setting the endings could bring about, there's no "Easily Make" when it comes to starting a new story in the Milky Way Galaxy. Too much has changed, too much needs to be accounted for in such a game for it to be "Easy". Oh I know some people will accept a handwave that allows them to do more in the Milky Way because that's what they prefer but it dosen't make it easy or even a good idea. Bioware told that Milky Way story, finished it up and gave you a conclusion, you may not have liked it, and that's fine but it was concluded with an epiloge to the whole thing to boot. There is no requirment to revist that Campaign setting again, moving on to sometheing different and new is a valid decision.

 

No they didnt give a conclusion. What they gave us is "choose the colour palette". I get it, some people like that kind of "this massive thing happened but it doesnt matter because the journey is more important." Well I like to have an epilogue that actually explains stuff. 

And it is because the endings changed so much that I needed something beyond the generic slideshow we got which was like 95% the same between the high ems endings. I am massively interested in what happens next. Its like reading a book, finishing the chapter with the main boss fight and never finding out what happened next. And the next book starting on another continent/world/whatever with no mention of anything previously done but the most vague notions. 

Yes you are right its a legitimate decision to move on but only if the way it was concluded was satisfactory. It was not. 

And I said it was "easy" because if they were intent on ignoring it then it wouldnt have made much difference if they ignored it in another galaxy or in the same one. Going to another galaxy does make it easier to ignore but it also essentially cuts off the previous 3 games, it doesn't matter what you did, it doesn't matter in the slightest. And that for me is the real loss. 

[AresKeith]

That's just it though:  NEW story.  THis is not Mass Effect 4.  There is no reason anything needs to be carried over.

 

It's a new Story with possibly a new setting, doesn't make it any less Mass Effect when we don't know the full details of what's happening 

[AresKeith]

Going to another galaxy does make it easier to ignore but it also essentially cuts off the previous 3 games, it doesn't matter what you did, it doesn't matter in the slightest. And that for me is the real loss.

 
Which would most like happen anyway given the ME3 endings, unless Bioware canonized one of them

[Iakus]

 
Which would most like happen anyway given the ME3 endings, unless Bioware canonized one of them

If what we did doesn't matter, better to have it not matter closer to home.

[Heimdall]

If what we did doesn't matter, better to have it not matter closer to home.

Why?

[Iakus]

Why?

1) Keeps the setting intact.

2) Less space magic needed

3) Plenty of real estate still to explore

[CronoDragoon]

If that's what I thought I'd say "MEHEM or gtfo"  Which is not what I'm saying at all.

 

Heck, if that's all I cared about, I'd be fine with Andromeda.  It would actually make it easier for me to headcanon it.

 

Honestly, ChronoDragon, I expected better from you.

 

MEHEM is not what you want, what you want is the erasure of ME3's endings, of which MEHEM is only one method. The other is a reboot, for which you have been arguing feverishly, in conjunction with arguing against a new galaxy for ME Next. So, I don't think it's at all unfair to suggest that you were bound to argue against Andromeda regardless of the specifics.

[Heimdall]

1) Keeps the setting intact.

2) Less space magic needed

3) Plenty of real estate still to explore

1) I'd argue that otherwise if I didn't have work to do

2) Hm, but no fewer handwaves

3) Blank canvas can be found in either place

[Fiery Phoenix]

I am continually amazed at how some folks still believe this is going to be a Mass Effect 4.

[AresKeith]

I am continually amazed at how some folks still believe this is going to be a Mass Effect 4.

 

On the technicality of it being the fourth game it is

[Fiery Phoenix]

On the technicality of it being the fourth game it is

Well, obviously. But that's not what I'm getting at

[AresKeith]

Well, obviously. But that's not what I'm getting at

 

I know, just being a smartass on purpose lol

[ZoliCs]

If what we did doesn't matter, better to have it not matter closer to home.

 

Except it's not the same. With the Ark they just bypass the Trilogy for a new fresh setting. Whatever choice you made in ME1-3 still happened in your Mass Effect.

If it's set in the Milky Way though they either make a canon Shepard, in which case your choices not just doesn't matter but actually erased, or they homogenize your choices. Considering the bitching about homogenizing some minor choices so far I can't imagine anyone (especially you who is constantly bitching) be happy with the later.

If you can't comprehend the difference there you are clueless.

[Nohvarr]

That's just it though:  NEW story.  THis is not Mass Effect 4.  There is no reason anything needs to be carried over.

No it's not, the devs told us that awhile back.

 

"To call the next game Mass Effect 4 or ME4 is doing it a disservice and seems to cause a lot of confusion here," BioWare community manager Chris Priestly wrote on the company's forums.

 

"We have already said that the Commander Shepard trilogy is over and that the next game will not feature him/her. That is the only detail you have on the game. I see people saying 'well, they'll have to pick a canon ending'. No, because the game does not have to come after. Or before. Or off to the side. Or with characters you know. Or yaddayaddayadda."

 

However it is a Mass Effect game. Just like Bioshock Infinite is the sequel to Bioshock despite having a different setting, tone and characters. It still carries some of the themes and ideas of it's predecssor but uses them to tell a new story and explore different concepts.

 

Yes you are right its a legitimate decision to move on but only if the way it was concluded was satisfactory. It was not.

 

A conclusion was presented, extended, and an epilogue provided. The galaxy changed dramatically, the Reaper threat was ended and Shepard's tale concluded. You didn't like how it ended, that's fine, but that dosen't mean they have to go back and retell you what happened.

 

And I said it was "easy" because if they were intent on ignoring it then it wouldnt have made much difference if they ignored it in another galaxy or in the same one.

 

Actually it does, by moving to a new Galaxy they avoid presenting a Milky Way that dosen't conform to what the fanbase expects from their decisions. They allow them to believe the universe the affected is as their head canon wishes it to be, while not forcing new comers to play through the first trilogy to understand all the nuances of the tale.

 

Going to another galaxy does make it easier to ignore but it also essentially cuts off the previous 3 games, it doesn't matter what you did, it doesn't matter in the slightest.

 

This is silly, you saved the galaxy, that dosen't change because the next adventure takes place in the Helios Cluster of Andromeda.

[Paridave]

Honestly. I think our best source of evidence until BioWare says otherwise is the grandfather and grandson dialogue at the end of ME3. Clearly, this was taking place in the future as Shepard's legacy had become legend by this point. The dialogue even suggests that not all of the details could be entirely accurate, as so much time had passed. You could even argue the grandfather was almost telling the grandson a fairy tale of sorts, perhaps even embellishing in some parts.

 

I think are far more likely reality is taking place a hundred or so years into the future exploring "a new sector of space," which Casey Hudson stated in the E3 teaser trailer. Not to mention, BioWare even stated it was likely we'd see familiar faces in this new game, so going to a new galaxy seems out of the question if we were to meet Liara, Grunt, Wrex, etc. I just can't value a questionable survey over what BioWare has already presented us.

And I also remember someone saying you should "save your files, which would be unnecessary if this was an ark story or a reboot in Andromeda.

[Nohvarr]

And I also remember someone saying you should "save your files, which would be unnecessary if this was an ark story or a reboot in Andromeda.

Going to need a source on that.

[Malanek]

Going to need a source on that.

It was before DLC and almost certainly in regards to that. Ignore the comment.

[CronoDragoon]

Going to need a source on that.

 

That was Mike Gamble saying "you'll want to hold on to your ME3 saves forever." I don't think that had anything to do with a continuation post-ME3 though.

[GalacticWolf5]

And I also remember someone saying you should "save your files'', which would be unnecessary if this was an ark story or a reboot in Andromeda.

 

That was a long time ago, but how would it be unnecessary if Ark theory was true? Choices made in the trilogy can be mentioned by people on the Ark ships.

 

Anyways, save files don't even matter anymore because you can't transfer them between old-gen and current-gen. They would most likely use a 'Keep' system.

[ZoliCs]

https://twitter.com/...477762063101952

 

 

 

The next ME is a great place to jump into the series. No need to worry about saves.

[Nohvarr]

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[dreamgazer]

If anything, they'll do a Keep for Mass Effect. No past-gen consoles.

[Iakus]

MEHEM is not what you want, what you want is the erasure of ME3's endings, of which MEHEM is only one method. The other is a reboot, for which you have been arguing feverishly, in conjunction with arguing against a new galaxy for ME Next. So, I don't think it's at all unfair to suggest that you were bound to argue against Andromeda regardless of the specifics.

 

MEHEM is not what I want?  Then who's been messing with my sig?  

 

At any rate, yeah I've been arguing fro the erasure of the endings, since that's the biggest sticking point for keeping Mass Effect in this galaxy.  So duh, of course I'm going to argue for that over Andromeda!  If anyone has a better idea that keeps the game in the Milky Way, I'll certainly listen.  

[Iakus]

1) I'd argue that otherwise if I didn't have work to do

2) Hm, but no fewer handwaves

3) Blank canvas can be found in either place

1) Oh, you've agued plenty

2) There's going to be handwaves no matter what direction is taken.  

3) Why buy canvas in another country when there's a store down the block?