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[The Arbiter]

Perhaps because of the Reaper invasion. In case they might lose the war, they send people to another galaxy so that the species can survive. From there they have to colonize and etc.

hey that's a good idea wait... isn't that the whole point of the ark theory? well that would start a possible conflict not just with Synthetics but the life forms of Andromeda against the Milkyway evacuees. Hmmm good good the game has to be darker for my taste then, Blood shed, survival, kidnappings, raids, full galactic war against the trespassers I like it. Total annihilation... make betrayal a choice here hahahaha kill all refugees but still

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

why make an ARK? when we can just completely start fresh I mean new Milkyway and then we go Andromeda? if we go with ARK its like you guys are admitting of "can not move on" but insisting of moving on because you cling to the Trilogy's past! by accepting the Ark aren't you admitting that what happened in Milkyway is real so you can't just totally abandon that premise so you decide to save the Milkyway by creating an Ark and saying "move forward"?... a fresh Restart would completely negate that.

[Iakus]

Fair enough. This is an implicit admission though that they messed up the original storyline with the endings though...and that it didn't ended as they intended.

There is no harm in admitting that. I love ME and can forgive them loads of thing.

QFT

[Revan Reborn]

This thread's legitimacy is based on the premise that an early prototype of the interior of a ship and a galaxy map are a credible source for identifying the galaxy. We don't know anything and the only rational thing to believe at this point is we are still in the Milky Way. No, believing a "survey" that comes from a questionable reddit poster is not a reliable source nor should be believe it based on the contents of the "survey."

[CroGamer002]

Something that not many people seem to be thinking about is the motivation of the developers. It's all well and good for some fans to say they want to stick around in the Milky Way, but would the devs?

 

This is Montreal's first time in charge of a game, ever, and it's their best chance to take the series in a completely new direction while Edmonton works on the new IP for the next however many years. They can't do that if fans expect to visit the same places again and again and again. If people were paying attention around the time when the Citadel DLC launched, you would've noticed how final everything seemed. I reckon it's clear in hindsight that it was the last time we'd be seeing the Citadel and Shepard's squadmates, because Edmonton was leaving it all behind. 

 

Even apart from the very good reasons why they should stay clear of the Milky Way, like how it's impossible to account for all the ending choices, Andromeda gives them a completely new slate that preserves a lot of the core of Mass Effect - the technology, the races and the history. 

 

So no, it might not be "necessary", but it might be what they want to do. 

In that case, Bioware Montreal should have done fully new IP.

 

Not drag on Mass Effect and create such a vastly different setting that makes previous titles irrelevant. Actually not just previous titles, but an entire universe we know and experienced not matter.

 

They either must preserve what we already have and stay in Milky Way with new story and characters or do fully new IP in new galaxy. Half-baked development on this is NOT acceptable.

[SolNebula]

This thread's legitimacy is based on the premise that an early prototype of the interior of a ship and a galaxy map are a credible source for identifying the galaxy. We don't know anything and the only rational thing to believe at this point is we are still in the Milky Way. No, believing a "survey" that comes from a questionable reddit poster is not a reliable source nor should be believe it based on the contents of the "survey."

 

I would agree with you friend but then the previous thread was locked down

[The Arbiter]

I am confused now... people are defending the ARK yet claiming its the way of a FRESH START... HOW CAN THAT BE A FRESH START WHEN THE ARK IS CONNECTED TO 3? it is as if deep inside them they know they can not just abandon the Mlikyway so they use the ark as a scapegoat to move the franchise forward? JUST DO A FRESH RESTART for crying out loud

[Kabooooom]

This thread's legitimacy is based on the premise that an early prototype of the interior of a ship and a galaxy map are a credible source for identifying the galaxy. We don't know anything and the only rational thing to believe at this point is we are still in the Milky Way. No, believing a "survey" that comes from a questionable reddit poster is not a reliable source nor should be believe it based on the contents of the "survey."

That's not really correct. Or somewhat of a straw-man. The concept art triggered discussion on the Ark Theory, but really the bulk of the theory was constructed by analyzing what developers have said, and attempting to rationalize a way that they could avoid canonizing an ending while also moving the series forward.

"not a true sequel"

"no canon ending"

"new region of space"

"heavy emphasis on exploration"

"a fresh start"

"Shepard's story is over"

There really are only a few possible story scenarios that could accomplish what they have stated they want to do. Of them, the Ark Theory, or rather what I more appropriately refer to as a "Stranger in a Strange Land" plot, is one of the most obvious choices.

It doesn't have to be set in Andromeda, but the basic premise of the proposed plot is probably correct.

[ElitePinecone]

Fair enough. This is an implicit admission though that they messed up the original storyline with the endings though...and that it didn't ended as they intended.

There is no harm in admitting that. I love ME and can forgive them loads of thing.

 

Maybe, but fans also told them repeatedly after ME3 that they wanted the next game to be set after Shepard's trilogy. Casey Hudson originally said in his pre-ME3 interview with Geoff Keighey that anything made after ME3 would be a prequel or set during Shepard's time, but now they've apparently had to abandon that because of what fans wanted. 

 

The only way to set something after Shepard without ignoring the ending or retconning it would seem to be a new galaxy, so in a way this is something that fans pushed them into, helped along by a lack of foresight and thinking when making ME3.

 

We could argue that if they'd been more careful in planning ME3 they could've avoided this situation, but the game needed big decisions and they probably didn't expect to set anything after it. So... what were they supposed to do?

 

It's the classic tension between "we need huge decisions" and "the consequences need to be able to be shown in future games" that the franchise has always faced, except that they didn't think there'd be any future games set after ME3. So, ME3 is just full of huge decisions. 

[The Arbiter]

That's not really correct. Or somewhat of a straw-man. The concept art triggered discussion on the Ark Theory, but really the bulk of the theory was constructed by analyzing what developers have said, and attempting to rationalize a way that they could avoid canonizing an ending while also moving the series forward.

"not a true sequel"

"no canon ending"

"new region of space"

"heavy emphasis on exploration"

"a fresh start"

"Shepard's story is over"

There really are only a few possible story scenarios that could accomplish what they have stated they want to do. Of them, the Ark Theory, or rather what I more appropriately refer to as a "Stranger in a Strange Land" plot, is one of the most obvious choices.

It doesn't have to be set in Andromeda, but the basic premise of the proposed plot is probably correct.

"RESTART"

[Nitrocuban]

The leak is plausible and imho the best Bioware can do with the situation atm.

Maybe they address the ME3 endings in the far future, but not now.

And the b***hurt blut Andromeda here isnt even that bad compared to the endings.

[Kabooooom]

The leak is plausible and imho the best Bioware can do with the situation atm.
Maybe they address the ME3 endings in the far future, but not now.
And the b***hurt blut Andromeda here isnt even that bad compared to the endings.

I would find the forum fallout hilarious if it turns out to be true. Mass Effect is my favorite game series and favorite rpg series of all time, but I have to admit: We have some of the most childish and entitled fans in all of video gaming.

At the time, I found the ending fallout idiotic - but at least I understood why people were angry.

I dont even really understand why people are vehemently opposed to ark theory. I similarly find the opposition idiotic. Just go with the flow for Christssakes. If you have a preconceived notion of what Mass Effect should be, you WILL be disappointed: Regardless of what the plot is.

I used to be patient with the negativity on these forums. I guess after awhile, patience wears thin.

[GalacticWolf5]

@imran911

First of, calm down with the caps man. There's really no point in using them and it's annoying more than anything.

I'm going to explain to you why I like the Ark Theory.

- It's connected to the Trilogy's story. Sending an Ark ship to another galaxy in case we fail to defeat the Reapers.
- It leaves what happens in the Milky Way after ME3 up to my imagination (up to a certain point of course)
- No need for a canon ending, which would frustrate alot of people.
- No need for a reboot/restart or whatever you want to call it.
- It brings even more new stuff in the MEU.
- The idea of sending people to colonize Andromeda is pretty amazing. Just to think of how they would organize themselves, who would lead them, etc.
- It allows Mass Effect to go forward.
- It's just a story among many others in the MEU.

It's not like the Milky Way is gone. Who knows, maybe in another Mass Effect game we'ĺl be in the Milky Way again.

[Kabooooom]

So how reliable is this Shinobi guy as an industry insider? Because he just confirmed the leak on twitter.

I've heard conflicting things on him, although I am aware that he has been spot-on most of the time.

[felipejiraya]

He's reliable-ish.

[Nitrocuban]

70%?

[Kabooooom]

Apparently two others with credible history on correct leaks also lent their support to this in addition to Shinobi. Specifically about the setting in Andromeda, "Helios Cluster" and the general mechanics of exploration. With the other stuff they seemed more unaware. I'm skeptical still, but less so than earlier.

[Vazgen]

The leak says "removed by time and space from the Mass Effect “Commander Shepard” trilogy and its ending". So it is a sequel on a timescale, yes? In this case, I wonder how do they deal with Synthesis and other decisions of the trilogy. 

The only plausible way is to have an ark ship depart during the events of the trilogy. But then again, the technology for intergalactic travel just wasn't there at the time so it would require some new and some retconned lore.

[Bizantura]

I really expect Bioware to come up with a creative solution.  This ark/andromeda thing aint it, if so the writers are very overpaid since local Joe and Joanne could have come up with this.

[Kabooooom]

I really expect Bioware to come up with a creative solution. This ark/andromeda thing aint it, if so the writers are very overpaid since local Joe and Joanne could have come up with this.

Local Joe and Joanne DID come up with this, lol. The Ark Theory was simultaneously created by fans both on Reddit and BSN. At exactly the same time.

So if the leak is true, either we correctly predicted it or they just adopted the idea.

[Rasande]

It makes sense that the new game takes place in a new galaxy from a dev point of view considering how the game ended and they don't haveto take the players decisions into account.

But i'm still sad to see it go. It's kind of like moving Star Wars to a diffirent galaxy.

A big part of what made ME so great was the world they had built, it's history, politics, races and places. Still so much that i wanted to see, like Palaven.

 

I just hope the new one can live up to the old one.

[xPez]

Where in the leak does it confirm Ark Theory? If the leak is true, all we know is that it's set in a different galaxy. There could be many reasons that they have had to travel to a new galaxy, and methods of getting there.

 

I mean, it's humanity. Maybe we've gone to Andromeda purely for the hell of it? One small step and all that...

[Kabooooom]

Where in the leak does it confirm Ark Theory? If the leak is true, all we know is that it's set in a different galaxy. There could be many reasons that they have had to travel to a new galaxy, and methods of getting there.

I mean, it's humanity. Maybe we've gone to Andromeda purely for the hell of it? One small step and all that...

Ark Theory is merely one proposal of a broader concept:

The story takes place in Andromeda to avoid the ME3 endings and post-galactic state, while bringing back a sense of exploration and desperation, while the races of the galaxy attempt to set up colonies in a galaxy populated by unfamiliar aliens.

I'd say that if the leak turns out to be true, then Ark Theory DID basically predict almost the entirety of the plot premise. How the travelers get there is somewhat irrelevant to the larger concept. Ark, wormhole, magic carpet - doesn't matter.

[MrMrPendragon]

Milky Way, for the sole reason that I want to see the changes that happen after the Reaper war.

[Iakus]

We could argue that if they'd been more careful in planning ME3 they could've avoided this situation, but the game needed big decisions and they probably didn't expect to set anything after it. So... what were they supposed to do?
 
It's the classic tension between "we need huge decisions" and "the consequences need to be able to be shown in future games" that the franchise has always faced, except that they didn't think there'd be any future games set after ME3. So, ME3 is just full of huge decisions.

What we're they supposed to do? Correct mistakes not compound them with new ones.

But in any case this right here demonstrates the problem with importing saves across games, and why the whole process should be ditched. This wouldn'be an issue at all if they didn'the pick NOW to go "your choices matter"

[Drone223]

In that case, Bioware Montreal should have done fully new IP.

 

Not drag on Mass Effect and create such a vastly different setting that makes previous titles irrelevant. Actually not just previous titles, but an entire universe we know and experienced not matter.

 

They either must preserve what we already have and stay in Milky Way with new story and characters or do fully new IP in new galaxy. Half-baked development on this is NOT acceptable.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter. The galaxy has so much potential to tell more stories it be nothing but a huge disservice to the franchise for its potential to be wasted.