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[NM_Che56]

Do you know for sure that it was not something from the Andromeda Galaxy that travelled to the Milky way and offered a lift back?

Space Hippies confirmed! LOL

[KrrKs]

I actually think this Andromeda expedition pretty much only makes sense if they left before Shepard made the big choice. 

 

It gives them a pretty damn good reason to get out of the Milky Way (escape the deadly machine cuttlefish, especially since the war was going badly) and ensures that they don't have to deal with whatever decisions Shepard could've made later in the game, like wiping out the quarians/geth, curing/not curing the genophage, or making everybody green.

Going during the reaper invasion means that they would need to

1. pull another 'magicdosomethingdevice' out of thin air
2. put them in a galaxy that is either likely inhabited my aeon old superadvanced beings or is also periodically cleaned by the reapers
3. getting (probably still genophage infected and angry) Krogan with on the way, to build a colony. Who would do such a thing?

Going after the events of ME3 could allow the writers to come up with various far better explanations for this than a start during ME3.

[ElitePinecone]

Put it this way: the Reapers used FTL to cross dark space and re-enter our galaxy without the need for a relay, and they don't have "star-sized" drive cores. 

 

We don't know if eezo is even consumed by applying electricity to it to lower or raise an object's mass (I suspect not, since the mass relays never run out), so if a ship had a working reactor it could power a drive core pretty much indefinitely. And as long as the ship's mass was lowered, it would be moving at FTL speeds. 

 

A colony ship would only require enough fuel to initially attain the maximum FTL speed, because inertia would keep it moving at that speed without any further use of the engines. 

 

The amount of eezo required for a trip to Andromeda would only be whatever was needed to lower the mass of a huge ship, and we've seen other huge ships like the Destiny Ascension (or human dreadnoughts) move fine through FTL. 

 

There *is* a significant issue with the drive discharge, but apart from that nothing in the fake physics of the universe prevents that kind of journey. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Do you know for sure that it was not something from the Andromeda Galaxy that travelled to the Milky way and offered a lift back?

Considering this is said to be a human-led initiative, I'm pretty sure. Why would the Andromedians let humans call the shots when we get there? 

 

While I can imagine leaving PRE-Reaper war would be "easier", you're drawing a lot of conclusions about what's possible after the Reaper War.  Namely, that there'd be no reason to go to another galaxy.  What makes exodus during the events of the reaper war more likely is the refuse ending. Given that refuse was an option, a post ME3 world would basically contradict the implications of that ending; something Bioware typically would be respectful of (e.g. if a character in ME2 died, then they won't reappear in ME3).

 

History is fraught with limitations that no longer became limits.  Fiction is no different.  Just because "Mass Effect" is in the title, does not mean that the current relay system has to be a staple in the new games. Chances are, mass effect in some manner will be the technological anchor for the game, though, if not the relays.

I'm saying it won't be after the Reaper War because then they'd have to address the endings. For example, two skins for everything: one with the Synthesis circuits and one without. Then the Refuse ending stuff you said. 

[NM_Che56]

Considering this is said to be a human-led initiative, I'm pretty sure. Why would the Andromedians let humans call the shots when we get there? 

 

I'm saying it won't be after the Reaper War because then they'd have to address the endings. For example, two skins for everything: one with the Synthesis circuits and one without. Then the Refuse ending stuff you said. 

Well, if people get out of Dodge before the culmination of Mass Effect 3, then there won't be a need to address the endings.  They won't be affected by them.

[themikefest]

Put it this way: the Reapers used FTL to cross dark space and re-enter our galaxy without the need for a relay, and they don't have "star-sized" drive cores. 

That only took about 3 years for that distance. Would they be able to do that for a very long trip to another galaxy?

[Anacronian Stryx]

Considering this is said to be a human-led initiative, I'm pretty sure. Why would the Andromedians let humans call the shots when we get there? 

 

"Hey we're from Andromeda dudes, We like need help dudes could you like put a expedition together like soon Andromeda train leaves Friday dudes..rad"

 

*now don't ask me why the Andromedians are wasted surfers.

[ElitePinecone]

Going during the reaper invasion means that they would need to

1. pull another 'magicdosomethingdevice' out of thin air
2. put them in a galaxy that is either likely inhabited my aeon old superadvanced beings or is also periodically cleaned by the reapers
3. getting (probably still genophage infected and angry) Krogan with on the way, to build a colony. Who would do such a thing?

Going after the events of ME3 could allow the writers to come up with various far better explanations for this than a start during ME3.

 

1. As explained above, the journey is entirely possible with conventional FTL engines, except for the drive core discharge issue. It would just take about 200 years using Reaper FTL speeds, or double that with normal drives. 

2. The "leak" already mentions a superadvanced race that largely disappeared for unknown reasons. We have no evidence that the Reapers exist in any other galaxy, and I think it's pretty clear that they don't. They suffered some losses fighting a divided Milky Way, how could they harvest other galaxies too, and why stop with Andromeda?

3. Stowaways, humanitarianism, or a pragmatic recognition that the Milky Way species might just need military muscle in a new galaxy. It's why the salarians uplfted the krogan in the first place, and ME3 showed they weren't always lacking in civilisation. Perhaps the krogan government negotiated places on the ship in return for committing more resources to the conflict. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, if people get out of Dodge before the culmination of Mass Effect 3, then there won't be a need to address the endings.  They won't be affected by them.

But that leads back to the problem of before the Reaper War such technology didn't exist. 

 

"Hey we're from Andromeda dudes, We like need help dudes could you like put a expedition together like soon Andromeda train leaves Friday dudes..rad"

 

*now don't ask me why the Andromedians are wasted surfers.

I want one of the Andromeda races to talk like this now. 

[Anacronian Stryx]

But that leads back to the problem of before the Reaper War such technology didn't exist. 

 

I want one of the Andromeda races to talk like this now. 

I'll fez up I just watched Finding Nemo with my son.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'll fez up I just watched Finding Nemo with my son.

Nothing wrong with that. It's a good movie. 

[NM_Che56]

But that leads back to the problem of before the Reaper War such technology didn't exist. 

 

 

Not knowing doesn't mean it can't exist.  

 

Yahg didn't exist before Lair of the Shadow Broker, but yet here we are.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not knowing doesn't mean it can't exist.  

 

Yahg didn't exist before Lair of the Shadow Broker, but yet here we are.  

The only way this would work is if we use Reaper tech itself, but that brings its own added share of problems. Plus what works for the Reapers doesn't necessarily work for us. 

[ElitePinecone]

That only took about 3 years for that distance. Would they be able to do that for a very long trip to another galaxy?

 

Yes, if they could solve the issue of static charge buildup (which is, admittedly, the big stumbling block). 

 

FTL travel in the ME setting is really simple. All they'd need would be a reactor that could stay on for a few centuries and the fuel to achieve initial acceleration and then deceleration. Time and distance are pretty irrelevant as long as those two things as there. 

 

Eezo is definitely not a problem, because as far as we know it's not consumed by the process of FTL travel, and all they'd need is enough to reduce the mass of a big ship. I can't see a colony ship being any bigger than, say, a couple of asari dreadnoughts at best.

[shepskisaac]

Considering that Reapers take 2 years of very fast FTL without doing any discharge, it seems they already have the tech to do it

[Heimdall]

And to do that, it needs Eezo. Lots and lots of Eezo. And a place to store all that Eezo.

Not to mention the other problems the voyage has, like where to discharge so it doesn't kill everyone aboard. And then you have to think that they need Eezo to slow them down so they can discharge then more Eezo to speed up again. Then do this tens of thousands of times since ships can only go at best a few hundred light years per charge and their target is millions of light years away.

Well, conceivably they could develop some sort of "ballast" in which the electric charge could be stored and jettisoned over the course of the journey.

[KrrKs]

1. As explained above, the journey is entirely possible with conventional FTL engines, except for the drive core discharge issue.

Exactly what the 'magicdosomethingdevice' would be needed for. An immensely useful device that even a most advanced Alliance Frigate did not receive...

 

 

2. [...] We have no evidence that the Reapers exist in any other galaxy, and I think it's pretty clear that they don't.

We also don't have any evidence that they do not visit other galaxies. Chilling for 50K years might not be all they do after a cycle.

 

 

[...] how could they harvest other galaxies too, and why stop with Andromeda?

How? the same as the usual tactic in the milky way. And you are right: Why stop with Andromeda? The cycle may just be the time it takes to take care of the local galaxy cluster once.

[ElitePinecone]

The cycle may just be the time it takes to take care of the local galaxy cluster once.

 

Very cheerful!

 

It sorta makes everything Shepard did in just one galaxy seem totally insignificant, and I don't think the writers want to encourage that feeling any more than they already have. 

 

ME3 was when we dealt with the Reapers, and I suspect that storyline is done with, period. They're moving on to other stuff now.

[HydroFlame20]

Perhaps because of the Reaper invasion. In case they might lose the war, they send people to another galaxy so that the species can survive. From there they have to colonize and etc.

This could also explain how many races we know and love will be back to.

[dreamgazer]

ME3 was when we dealt with the Reapers, and I suspect that storyline is done with, period. They're moving on to other stuff now.

 

Kinda tough to "move on" if the entire reason for fleeing to another galaxy was because of the fear that the Reapers were going to purge the Milky Way.

 

I'd like this Andromeda road trip a lot more if it's set long after the events of the Reaper war, post-restoration. 

[AresKeith]

Kinda tough to "move on" if the entire reason for fleeing to another galaxy was because of the fear that the Reapers were going to purge the Milky Way.

 

I'd like this Andromeda road trip a lot more if it's set long after the events of the Reaper war, post-restoration. 

 

That actually would be a better route, but canonizing an ending seems like a risk Bioware doesn't want to take

[wright1978]

That actually would be a better route, but canonizing an ending seems like a risk Bioware doesn't want to take

Personally the advantage of the new galaxy route is that it doesn't require canonising an ending. If they didn't care about ripping up everyone's personal canon then canonising and remaining in the Milky Way would be the route, with no need for ark in first place.

[AresKeith]

Personally the advantage of the new galaxy route is that it doesn't require canonising an ending. If they didn't care about ripping up everyone's personal canon then canonising and remaining in the Milky Way would be the route, with no need for ark in first place.

 

True, but I kinda like the idea of exploring a new galaxy

[Giantdeathrobot]

That actually would be a better route, but canonizing an ending seems like a risk Bioware doesn't want to take

 

Synthesis is the outlier here, really. Destroy can work with the colony ship, Control does too (maybe God!Shepard helps a bit?), Refuse gives a very strong reason to get out of dodge (and the Reapers would take years to purge the galaxy, so it makes sense that they could build the ship), but in Synthesis everyone is brainwashed peaceful and content and glows green.

 

Maybe they will pull a Deus Ex and meld the different endings together, but I doubt it. Methinks they wil lavoid mentioning the endings at all costs.

 

At any rate, I say we wait until official info before proclaiming anything. Maybe they will make it work. But it does seem a bit sad that they spent 3 games developping the Milky Way, only to send us to Andromeda, probably so as not deal with the consequences of ME3. 

[ElitePinecone]

They never intended to set anything after ME3 when they wrote the endings. Casey literally says in an interview with Geoff Keighley that future games would probably be prequels or set during Shepard's time.

Obviously that didn't work with what a lot of fans were telling them, which was that they wanted to move forward. Andromeda is the result.

Would it better if the endings had been written in a way that made future games possible? Maybe, but that would've limited what they could do with the choices.

In any event, ME3 happened, and BioWare consistently say they don't want to set a canon, and I suspect fans in general will be happier about moving to Andromeda than if the next game was a prequel.

I think people wanting a game set post-ME3 in a Milky Way that has a canon ending, or an ending that "wore off", aren't being realistic about what BioWare are prepared to do.