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[Elleria]

Ok I have to get through this out my chest and I think this forum is the best conduit for me to do it. I'll keep it brief so I don't sound like a naggy old lady lol. Also, I must state that I've never played the earlier Dragon Age series so my rant will most likely based on this game(Dragon Age: Inquisition) and other similar RPG games such as Neverwinter, Mass Effects,Skyrim...

 

The story of this game is pretty engaging so far(SPOILER: I just acquired Skyhold after narrowly escaped my encounter with Corypheus at Haven) and doing some side quests and war room thingy and trying to figure out what I need to do next) so, I guess I'm not very far yet into the game. The dialogs are pretty well done I must say and I'm glad that the close-up dialogs are somewhat like Mass Effect. Looking forward to learning the story more as I progress through the game...

 

The combat is pretty standard I must say, nothing complicated - hit pause whenever things get a bit out of hand. The tactical system is pretty handy at assigning actions to individual group member. So, I don't see any major issue as far as combat is concerned in this game.

 

Now here's where my rant comes in and it's in the aesthetic department - first is the very limited hairstyles and no long hair??? To make matters worse, half of the hairstyles are bald and shaved!!  I believe I'm not alone showing great displeasure in this as I did quick research and found that many posts showing complaints about this game hairstyles too, so I really have no idea why Bioware did this. I watched some in game Dragon Age Origin gameplay footage and found that it has better hairstyles(especially for females characters) than this game, talk about backwardness...

 

Another dissapointment is my character Skyhold outfit - it looks so misplaced, almost as if my character doesn't belong in Dragon Age era and more suitable in Mass Effect era. What was Bioware thinking??? Also I notice that my human female character hunches in some of the cutscenes and she walks more like a man. Even Cassandra walks more feminine in that cutscene than mine given that she looks like a butch...

 

I'm sure I have many other things to rant about as I progress through the game but I'm pretty sure that these two are the biggest dissapointment I have with this game but I would like to hear what you guys could add the dissapointment that I might not have encountered yet(try without spoiler please) to see if this game really deserves the 100 plus game of the year awards the official website is so proudly advertised -_-u

 

 

 

[sleasye74]

Imo you should play DAO and DA2, are you playing on console or PC?

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

One thing about hairstyles - you can now have beards for women. Be happy.

[M_Helder]

Hairstyles = Frostbite's engine fault, I'm almost 100% sure.

 

Pajamas, though... is an act of unspeakable evil done to humankind.

[roselavellan]

I agree, the hairstyles and the Skyhold outfit are the two most disappointing aspects of the game for me as well.

[katerinafm]

Are you sure the hairstyles you saw in the gameplay vids weren't made with mods . Because DAO and DA2 had a ton of hairstyle mods. But even so, it did have better options.

[b10d1v]

Hairstyles = Frostbite's engine fault, I'm almost 100% sure.

 

Pajamas, though... is an act of unspeakable evil done to humankind.

Pajamas - no doubt first mod out of the box, I think.

 

Frostbite and hairstyles I would argue on the basis of art first and quality strand limited by platform capabilities second.  You may have noticed that when Bioware was tweaking setpoints, early in the game loot bags and the like that were in problemattic areas had frostbite and textures disabled for a time, hence 2d objects.  I have also looked at the limits of the renderings and you can basically stack 3 effects, this is obvious when you have detailed armor and the surface rainwater effect stops functioning.  So if you wanted sophisticated hairstyles, you (well maybe not so) simply choose the texture and behavior rendering you want to see.  There is actually far more capability for rendering dynamic hair computationally, but you have not seen any applications as yet.

[b10d1v]

Are you sure the hairstyles you saw in the gameplay vids weren't made with mods . Because DAO and DA2 had a ton of hairstyle mods. But even so, it did have better options.

I would agree, gets fuzzy about what was there before mods and advertising CGI presentations seems less a deception when you've seen modeling do similar things. Write it of as the cost of doing business, on the other hand, such a cheat when it's not up to par.

[b10d1v]

One thing about hairstyles - you can now have beards for women. Be happy.

I just saw that toon (under my spell) and the subliminal programming jibe is hilarious.  

It may have been a mod in DAO for dwarves with beards they did a funny toon for it too.

 

Elleria has a long way to go, let's at least warn her it is an incomplete game with many shortcomings and an ideal study of programmatic disaster - not all is lost!

[b10d1v]

El you can blame frostbite's COD commando NPC behaviors for the manly walk, a reasonable fallback plan when behaviors fell behind schedule from a management point of view.

[Elleria]

Imo you should play DAO and DA2, are you playing on console or PC?

I will play them some day I guess but not sure when and I'm playing on PC.

 

 

One thing about hairstyles - you can now have beards for women. Be happy.

I take it that you share the same dissapointment sentiment about the hairstyles?

 

 

Are you sure the hairstyles you saw in the gameplay vids weren't made with mods . Because DAO and DA2 had a ton of hairstyle mods. But even so, it did have better options.

One of the links that I watched is this one https://www.youtube....h?v=nCFqOEMaDaY Not entirely sure if it's modded or not though. It showcases a few female hairstyles that look better than the ones DA:I has, albeit a few also.

 

 

I just saw that toon (under my spell) and the subliminal programming jibe is hilarious.  

It may have been a mod in DAO for dwarves with beards they did a funny toon for it too.

 

Elleria has a long way to go, let's at least warn her it is an incomplete game with many shortcomings and an ideal study of programmatic disaster - not all is lost!

Thank you for the advice. I'm finding myself hard to play this game knowing that my female Inquisitor is ill-dressed and ill-fashioned, it's as if I'm at fault for not dressing her to match her Inquisitor role Thankfully, the story is what keeps me going as well as the companion banter that keep things interesting

 

 

El you can blame frostbite's COD commando NPC behaviors for the manly walk, a reasonable fallback plan when behaviors fell behind schedule from a management point of view.

What is COD?

[katerinafm]

Call of Duty.

[Panda]

There is some long hairstyles though, just not below shoulder one's.

 

Though I think quality of hair is quite bad and I dislike how you don't see hair below helmets, although in many helmet style you should see hair.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

I take it that you share the same dissapointment sentiment about the hairstyles?

 

Oh I do. My fav choice was always elvish.

And those legions of bald elves we have in DA:I still haunt me... Even months after launching the game.

[Elleria]

Call of Duty.

Oh thanks... did a quick google search and found out that it's a first person shooter game, which I never play any of the genres before so forgive my ignorance

 

 

There is some long hairstyles though, just not below shoulder one's.

 

Though I think quality of hair is quite bad and I dislike how you don't see hair below helmets, although in many helmet style you should see hair.

This bothers me too given the fact that Bioware should have learnt how high player demands on these kind of aesthetic details are. The unmodded Skyrim looks pretty ugly when it comes to character faces, details and hairstyles, it's far from being a bad rpg mind you but the mods lengthens Skyrim longevity by a great mile.

 

I would expect(I'm sure I'm not alone) Bioware learn from player feedback on their previous games and also other games such as Skyrim and sadly, they don't...

The hair below helmets you brought up reminds me on an excellent Skyrim mod that adds wig extension to helmets. I remember getting so overjoyed when a friend of mine helped me install all the neccessary enhancement mods for Skyrim including the wig extension - it really changed the game so dramatically I couldn't believe it was Skyrim lol.

 

I understand that DA:I and Skyrim are 2 different games but I would have anticipated Bioware to tap the positiveness from Skyrim and its mod enhancement and put them into DA:I but alas, I'm so wrong. My only hope on this game is to see player created mods, which are still pretty scarce the last time I checked on Nexus website...

 

Oh I do. My fav choice was always elvish.

And those legions of bald elves we have in DA:I still haunt me... Even months after launching the game.

I'm just curious - do you think Bioware developers aware that they will get mountains of complaints from us with regards to aesthetic values of DA:I? I'm trying to think their logic behind the decision to come up with this very questionable aesthetic design decision Bioware had chosen...

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

 

I'm just curious - do you think Bioware developers aware that they will get mountains of complaints from us with regards to aesthetic values of DA:I? I'm trying to think their logic behind the decision to come up with this very questionable aesthetic design decision Bioware had chosen...

I'd say the game look lazy in every detail you would like to look into a little bit closer than just close, starts at the writing. Landscape design is from average to good (and sometimes awesome), armour and weapon design is somewhat average (ffs it's AAA game and there are still clipping meshes? Seriously? SIX PATCHES behind?). Gameplay is a little below average for a couple of reasons (non-balanced classes and abilities, standard MMO paterns here and there, that stupid DPS feature that doesn't even properly work, etc.) Battle mechanics is terrible with auto-focus and no auto-attack (where's my awesome anytime I press those buttons, mr. Darrah?). UI is ... well, dissapointing.

 

So if the whole product is THAT lazy, complaining about hair options is allright, ofc... But hardly helpful. It's the management of the team and the quality control gone to hell long, long ago. And we won't get anything until the recent people in Bioware Dragon Age team are fired, and some new folks walk in through the doors.

 

I can almost feel EA disappointment in recent Dragon Age team activity. EA pushed trains of gold to PR the game to heavens, but there's no future for the game or the series until the team is changed. Firing so much people is bad, and wasting even more PR money to support the game in its state is even worse. 

...

 

In the end it's what we got - some fangirls still squirting over Solas and pretty moustache boy, some fangirls saying 'no haters allowed let me schlick on the picturesque landscapes here and there' and some heartbroken fans who didn't get the story, the gameplay features that were promised to us... and even sane hairstyles.

 

Specially hairstyles.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Terrible hair options ? 

 

Hey, its the age of equality, not special treatment. So both sexes get roughly the same hair style options.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Terrible hair options ? 

 

Hey, its the age of equality, not special treatment. So both sexes get roughly the same hair style options.

Bring back my 2007. I don't want to be ... 'it'.

[Elleria]

Terrible hair options ? 

 

Hey, its the age of equality, not special treatment. So both sexes get roughly the same hair style options.

I almost certain Bioware developers share the same sentiment with you and thus the lacklutre aesthetic design choices implemented in DA:I...

[Vanth]

I almost certain Bioware developers share the same sentiment with you and thus the lacklutre aesthetic design choices implemented in DA:I...

 

Having 'pretty' hairstyles for women would imply that we derive their worth from how they look and not their actions. Therefore your request is misogynistic and not worthy of Bioware's new ethos of inclusiveness. 

[Elleria]

Having 'pretty' hairstyles for women would imply that we derive their worth from how they look and not their actions. Therefore your request is misogynistic and not worthy of Bioware's new ethos of inclusiveness. 

I think you are sadly mistaken - my statement of DA:I lacks aesthetic design such as hairstyles doesn't neccessarily imply good looks. Instead, it's more towards having more distinct difference between male and female characters, which is evidently lacking in the current game design. This, in turn will enable players to create a more diversed player characters...

[Sartoz]

Are you sure the hairstyles you saw in the gameplay vids weren't made with mods . Because DAO and DA2 had a ton of hairstyle mods. But even so, it did have better options.

EA has a very large promotional budget for their games. Their cinematics videos are not to be confused with in-game generated animations. The latter are awkward, amateurish even and probable recycled from previous DA games. 

 

The FB3 engine is very mod unfriendly... unlike Bio's previous engine.

[Sartoz]

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The combat is pretty standard I must say, nothing complicated - hit pause whenever things get a bit out of hand. The tactical system is pretty handy at assigning actions to individual group member. So, I don't see any major issue as far as combat is concerned in this game.

 

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A pity that you are unaware that the Inquisition tac system is dumbed down to the "never played a combat game before" level.  Don't bother playing the previous two games, if you find the Inquisition combat acceptable.  No disrespect but I suspect, from your PoV, that you will find the tactical combat of DA:O and DA2 to be very non-standard.

 

Your other complaints hit a main theme about Inquisition... basically, you are not alone with that analysis.  And, interestingly enough, After five months of lousy hairstyles and PJ feedback, Bioware has yet to bother addressing these shortcomings. You would think that keeping your armour in Skyhold is an easy fix.  Apparently it is not.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

A pity that you are unaware that the Inquisition tac system is dumbed down to the "never played a combat game before" level.  Don't bother playing the previous two games, if you find the Inquisition combat acceptable.  No disrespect but I suspect, from your PoV, that you will find the tactical combat of DA:O and DA2 to be very non-standard.

 

Your other complaints hit a main theme about Inquisition... basically, you are not alone with that analysis.  And, interestingly enough, After five months of lousy hairstyles and PJ feedback, Bioware has yet to bother addressing these shortcomings. You would think that keeping your armour in Skyhold is an easy fix.  Apparently it is not.

I want to see that guy/girl playing old X-COM.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

@OP please don't mind my rant here about tactical games of old, or you playing them. Everyone has a right to play games he/she desires. 
It's only up to you, and the reference is made just to explain certain images in my mind.