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[Robert Cousland]

Did anyone else lose all respect for Mother Giselle shortly after arriving in Skyhold? She spread negative rumors about Dorian, tried to lead him into a trap, constantly spoke badly of him, and tried to make the Inquisitor suspicious of him, all because she feared losing influence. Before Skyhold she seemed like a kind, moral, upstanding woman, only to show her true colours once the evil Tevinter arrived. Honestly, she's just as bad as the rest of the Chantry, and I wish I could kick her out.

 

Almost hate her as much as Diane Allers.

[Meowbeast]

She's an interesting character. In Haven, she can be overheard haggling over supplies with the alchemist for the refugees. She also has a compassionate interaction with a tranquil mage. The whole thing with Dorian was a bit disappointing but I think that is good writing. People are flawed and so are complex characters. I hope Bioware makes more character driven quests in the next Dragon Age and focuses less on the fetch quests.

[lynroy]

I didn't pay any attention to her after Haven. Well, to be honest, I didn't pay ANY attention to her even when she was in Haven. So I guess I didn't lose any respect because I had none in the first place?

[Switish]

In some regards I understand her decisions about Dorian; while he has turned his back from the Imperium and all that malarkey, the Mother doesn't know of his true intent and simply views that his sudden closeness to the Inquisitor has been a somewhat rapid occurrence. She likely fears that he is trying to influence the PC, including the fact that he is a Mage. However that does not excuse her stance on how she handled the situation with Dorian's father, in that aspect I had half a mind to behead her as the Inquisitor 

[Toasted Llama]

She has a nice voice but that's about it for me.

Albeit she does seem somewhat reasonable, at the same time she reminds me of cherry picking Christians that circle around evidence to support their God. (Like how Mother Giselle says something among the lines of the maker works in different ways and one of them is how he is remembered/received... I was like "Yeaaahhhh....no. You're pushing it now.")

[SnakeCode]

No. She's just someone who's never taken the time to get to know Dorian on a personal level. To her (and most folk at Skyhold I assume) he's just another Tevinter. The enemies of the free world, Dorian is in a similar spot to Cole. He is judged because of what he is, not who he is. It's kind of like guilt by association. 

 

The only reason I would lose respect for her is if I subscribed to the naive idea that a book should never be judged by it's cover, which is completely unreasonable. In Thedas, Demons (or whatever you want to call Cole) and Tevinters are generally bad. Dorian and Cole are the exceptions that prove the rule. 

[Paul E Dangerously]

Dorian should be kind of suspicious. Really, with Bioware companions, you're only really ever punished for blindly accepting someone suspicious when you don't jump through incredibly obvious hurdles. Like Zevran betraying you if you somehow manage not to gain enough reputation with him through deeds, gifts, etc.

 

I actually like it when everyone doesn't see eye to eye on matters - that's your job to get them to work together. Hell, my favorite games are BG1 and 2, where NPC hatreds can flare up into duels between your companions.

[Navasha]

Not really.   If anything it makes her a very believable character.   She has warmth, kindness, and compassion.   Having worked with mages, she has also grown to accept the use of magic to some extent.    However, she is still a devout follower of the Chantry.   She has been taught from birth that the 'evil' tevinters who follow the black divine are heretics in the extreme.    So, no I didn't lose any respect for her.    She's a nice old priestess who just doesn't trust tevinter.    Not everyone has to like everyone.   Sera is a far more hateful and rude person to just about EVERYONE.  

[SabreTastic]

I will admit I felt it drove something of a wedge between most of my Inquisitors and Mother Giselle if only because they viewed her actions as a lack of trust toward them more than Dorian...that she was somehow suggesting that they were somehow sympathetic to mainstream Tevinter ideals or that she was somehow challenging their authority/judgement as the Inquisitor by possibly running the Anti-Pavus Rumour Mill, etc.

 

I didn't care for it mostly because I find that sort of behavior annoying. If she has a problem with Dorian, why doesn't she try talking to him? And if she still doesn't believe him, talk to the Inquisitor. And if she's still not satisfied, why doesn't she just go back to the wheelhouse of 'Silently Judging While Planning a Serious I-Told-You-So for When Things Go Exactly as I Suspect?' It's fine that she doesn't like him, I just didn't like how she handled it.

 

I was still fine with my initial thought that she'd end up Divine, though. I figured she'd be the shoe-in for it; relative lack of anti-magic prejudices, appropriate stance on Tevinter, isn't afraid to attempt to inspire the masses at the drop of a hat, will speak her mind (to a point) even in front of the 'Herald of Andraste,' and is just enough of a background character that there would be room to play with her ideals and policies as Divine without having a conflicting player experience based on possible dialogue choices but still probably memorable enough that it doesn't seem like the writers are just plucking a random Sister/Cleric out of the air.

[leadintea]

Not really.   If anything it makes her a very believable character.   She has warmth, kindness, and compassion.   Having worked with mages, she has also grown to accept the use of magic to some extent.    However, she is still a devout follower of the Chantry.   She has been taught from birth that the 'evil' tevinters who follow the black divine are heretics in the extreme.    So, no I didn't lose any respect for her.    She's a nice old priestess who just doesn't trust tevinter.    Not everyone has to like everyone.   Sera is a far more hateful and rude person to just about EVERYONE.

Right? I mean, Mother Giselle goes out of her way to care for the hurt and the impoverished and bolsters the Inquisition's morale from their lowest point, yet people apparently lose all respect for her and even hate her just because she's suspicious of one companion who she knows squat about save for the fact that he comes from a country that goes against the teachings she and the rest of the world have been raised with for centuries? Nevermind the fact that she actually also helps said companion reunite with his father despite being wary and distrustful of him.

Seriously, what do people want from her? If Mother Giselle was just as is without this "flaw," the BSN would accuse her of being a Mary Sue and hate her just like with Fiona pre-DAI. With this flaw, the BSN homes in on it and uses it to stain every good thing she's done and acts like that's the only thing about her character. People put Dorian on a pedestal and knock down anything that doesn't praise him or paints him in a positive light, and it really shows with how negatively people treat Mother Giselle despite having reasonable misgivings about him.

[Pewps]

I lost respect for her when she opened her mouth for the first time. GET THAT PHLEGM OUT OF YOUR THROAT, ******.

[Gervaise]

With regard to her actions concerning Dorian's parents, she was only going by what apparently concerned parents were saying and asked her to do.   She doesn't know any of the history lying behind his actions; merely that he had upped and left home without telling his parents his plans.    So she thinks she is helping.   I'll give her that one.

 

With regard to her disapproval over Dorian's friendship, I'm pretty sure she says that "we" are concerned and is not using the royal we but has been made spokesperson for the wider community.   Bear in mind that Dorian later tells you that the blacksmith actually spat at him on first meeting him and if you ask Cassandra for advice she says not to trust Dorian, so in this instance Mother Giselle is not acting alone.   I was angry with her but also at the other people involved for not having the courage to speak to me direct.  

 

My biggest criticism of her is how she tries to fob you off with her watered down version of Chantry doctrine, presumably to mollify you if you seem unhappy with your title of Herald of Andraste.   In particular my elf quizzed her about the Exalted March on the Dales, which she claims was not a proper Exalted March since only Orlais took part.    We then go to the Exalted Plains and the accounts given there clearly shows it was considered an Exalted March, particularly the accounts of Sister Amity.   I felt like dragging her over there and showing them to her.    

 

Also after finding out it was not Andraste in the Fade, I suggested we ought to tell the people the truth and she had no trouble in rejecting the idea.   However, once again, she was not alone in holding these views and you are fighting a losing battle convincing anyone about it; the best you can do when asked is simply to reply "no comment."

 

So on the whole I'd say that Mother Giselle isn't any worse than other members of the Chantry hierarchy and at least she does genuinely care about people.

[chrstnmonks]

Right? I mean, Mother Giselle goes out of her way to care for the hurt and the impoverished and bolsters the Inquisition's morale from their lowest point, yet people apparently lose all respect for her and even hate her just because she's suspicious of one companion who she knows squat about save for the fact that he comes from a country that goes against the teachings she and the rest of the world have been raised with for centuries? Nevermind the fact that she actually also helps said companion reunite with his father despite being wary and distrustful of him.

Seriously, what do people want from her? If Mother Giselle was just as is without this "flaw," the BSN would accuse her of being a Mary Sue and hate her just like with Fiona pre-DAI. With this flaw, the BSN homes in on it and uses it to stain every good thing she's done and acts like that's the only thing about her character. People put Dorian on a pedestal and knock down anything that doesn't praise him or paints him in a positive light, and it really shows with how negatively people treat Mother Giselle despite having reasonable misgivings about him.

I thought she was a more believeable person because of this. But, I also think it's kinda a fail at the writing. Dorain being a mage from Trevinator should have got alot more suspicision and flak thrown his way. People should have had more of a prolbem with him. 

[Bunny]

An apostate, a Ben-Hassrath, a spirit, and Red Jenny join Inquisition, and the Tevinter outcast gets the shifty eyes??

Ehhh southern Thedas is in crisis mode. Everyone is a little nutty. I can cut Mother Giselle some slack for worrying.

[LightningPoodle]

I just want the option to bury an axe in her head...

[Ashagar]

No being concerned about a Tevinter Mage, a people mistrusted for good reason and who further more make up a good chunk of the enemy forces getting close to the inquisitor is reasonable and shows she is human, that is something that would raise flags from any reasonable person.

[MyKingdomCold]

I'm not sure what the OP means when he says "tried to lead him into a trap".  If he meant the letter, I don't think Mother Giselle knows that it would actually be Dorian's father at the tavern as opposed to some intermediary.  And it's not like Dorian was going to get kidnapped and taken back to Tevinter.

[Drago_28]

Who is Dorian? should i know him?

[katerinafm]

I mostly just found it annoying how she really wanted to push you into believing that you were Andraste's Herald.

[Big I]

I didn't like the way she tried to push Dorian out of the Inquisition, but I understood it. What made me lose respect for her is when she tells you to keep the truth about how the Divine saved you to yourself and lie to the faithful.

[Ashagar]

But that made sense to be honest, there are times when truth does more harm than good and that strikes me as one of them. Such knowledge could have broke or at the very least sown confusion and disorder in the ranks which would benefit nobody but the enemy.

[l7986]

Nope I didn't. Up to that point Mother Giselle only knows that Dorian is Tevinter and Tevinter=bad. She could have gone to speak with him to gain a better understanding of him, but Dorian could have also approached her as well.

[PsychoBlonde]

She's an interesting character. In Haven, she can be overheard haggling over supplies with the alchemist for the refugees. She also has a compassionate interaction with a tranquil mage. The whole thing with Dorian was a bit disappointing but I think that is good writing. People are flawed and so are complex characters. I hope Bioware makes more character driven quests in the next Dragon Age and focuses less on the fetch quests.

 

Yeah, I really liked her interaction with Dorian, it was quite multi-faceted and it helped bring home the idea that it wasn't all just "the Vints ain't that bad!" but that there was real history there that could make even quite decent people who weren't particularly negative toward mages extremely leery.

 

I was honestly kind of surprised that Cullen would play chess with Dorian, but Dorian IS charming and despite his history Cullen is a friendly soul who also apparently can't resist a challenge.

[Dabrikishaw]

No. I mostly forget she's there.