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[SnakeCode]

Yeah, I really liked her interaction with Dorian, it was quite multi-faceted and it helped bring home the idea that it wasn't all just "the Vints ain't that bad!" but that there was real history there that could make even quite decent people who weren't particularly negative toward mages extremely leery.

 

I was honestly kind of surprised that Cullen would play chess with Dorian, but Dorian IS charming and despite his history Cullen is a friendly soul who also apparently can't resist a challenge.

 

I think Cullen was mismanaged in general throughout Inquisition tbh. Here's a guy who was tortured by mages for days until he was on the brink of madness. Had extreme ptsd, uncovered a plot in Kirkwall where mages were planting demons inside Templars to destroy them from within. He should have been mistrustful of mages in general, let alone those from Tevinter. Instead he suddenly thinks the circles are a bad idea and actually seems to trust his fellow templars less than the average mage, even after what they did at Redcliffe. I get that he saw a bad side of the Templar order with Meredith, but that shouldn't have been enough for him to do a 180 from his old views.

 

I feared they were going to do something like that the minute they revealed that Cullen was no longer going to be a Templar, and I was proven right. Bioware just can't help themselves, they want to tell their story in shades of grey but keep shooting themselves in the foot by doing stuff like this. They did something similar with Cerberus in ME3 (thank god they didn't do that to the Templars in DA:I, and despite Bioware's best efforts they still came across better than the mages did.) We get multiple "mage freedom" characters every game but we've yet to have a moderate Templar viewpoint in or around our party, and now that the circles (as we knew them) are gone and we'll likely be moving on from southern Thedas we probably never will.

[JadeDragon]

No. I felt sorry for her if anything she went from important npc to a garden gnome and news anchor

[Robert Cousland]

Who is Dorian? should i know him?

 

If you've played Inquisition, then yes.

[devSin]

No. She has every reason to be suspicious of a Tevinter mage who finds his way into the inner circle of the Inquisition (an organization she helped establish, and to her likely is very much aligned with her own religious views), and it's not like Dorian ever engages her with any real sincerity.

I think she was out of line (especially if she really was the one who told Dorian's parents where he was), but I still think it's understandable. Even good people can sometimes fall prey to bigotry.

I thought she was a more believeable person because of this. But, I also think it's kinda a fail at the writing. Dorain being a mage from Trevinator should have got alot more suspicision and flak thrown his way. People should have had more of a prolbem with him.

A lot of people have a problem with Dorian.

You learn that Leliana is keeping tabs on him (from his romance quest). Cassandra doesn't trust him (this plays out through their banter). Blackwall really doesn't like him.

The other companions are a bit more passive, but he's very much an odd man out during the whole game.

[DAO MAdhatter]

.... Couldn't figure out how to delete this.

[Luqer]

Could anyone be blamed for not trusting anything related to Tevinter? Hell, while Dorian doesn't like it when people make assumptions of him, he has little problem for when people make assumptions of Tevinter because chances are, to quote Dorian "All true".

[Elhanan]

Did anyone else lose all respect for Mother Giselle shortly after arriving in Skyhold? She spread negative rumors about Dorian, tried to lead him into a trap, constantly spoke badly of him, and tried to make the Inquisitor suspicious of him, all because she feared losing influence. Before Skyhold she seemed like a kind, moral, upstanding woman, only to show her true colours once the evil Tevinter arrived. Honestly, she's just as bad as the rest of the Chantry, and I wish I could kick her out.
 
Almost hate her as much as Diane Allers.

No. This option appeared in my second playthrough; in the first she was mainly a constant source of news concerning the refugees. And although she could have made wiser choices in this matter, she is the first to admit being a person with flaws like the rest of us.

I reserve my contempt for other NPC's (eg; Samson) that appear unrepentant of their deeds.

[Hazegurl]

I could care less about her not trusting Dorian or Tevinter. Her handling of the situation was terrible.  I did agree with lying to those faithful idiots though, but I was no believer in Andraste. Giselle on the other hand, just came across as being no better than the rest of the power grubby bastards surrounding the IQ.  The only credit I give her is that she is at least smart enough to know her limitations.  She's no leader.  What she would like to be is an influential voice behind the "throne" too bad she fails at it...at least in my game.  

 

I just let her prance around the garden and ignore her.

[In Exile]

Did anyone else lose all respect for Mother Giselle shortly after arriving in Skyhold? She spread negative rumors about Dorian, tried to lead him into a trap, constantly spoke badly of him, and tried to make the Inquisitor suspicious of him, all because she feared losing influence. Before Skyhold she seemed like a kind, moral, upstanding woman, only to show her true colours once the evil Tevinter arrived. Honestly, she's just as bad as the rest of the Chantry, and I wish I could kick her out.

Almost hate her as much as Diane Allers.

She's crazy manipulative. She manipulated the Inquisition (and earlier Justinia) into helping Crestwood by going there. She is the major moving force behind your being named Inquisitor.

She wants Dorian removed because he's a Tevinter.

She's not a nice person, and this is pure politics with her.

[In Exile]

I think Cullen was mismanaged in general throughout Inquisition tbh. Here's a guy who was tortured by mages for days until he was on the brink of madness. Had extreme ptsd, uncovered a plot in Kirkwall where mages were planting demons inside Templars to destroy them from within. He should have been mistrustful of mages in general, let alone those from Tevinter. Instead he suddenly thinks the circles are a bad idea and actually seems to trust his fellow templars less than the average mage, even after what they did at Redcliffe. I get that he saw a bad side of the Templar order with Meredith, but that shouldn't have been enough for him to do a 180 from his old views.

I feared they were going to do something like that the minute they revealed that Cullen was no longer going to be a Templar, and I was proven right. Bioware just can't help themselves, they want to tell their story in shades of grey but keep shooting themselves in the foot by doing stuff like this. They did something similar with Cerberus in ME3 (thank god they didn't do that to the Templars in DA:I, and despite Bioware's best efforts they still came across better than the mages did.) We get multiple "mage freedom" characters every game but we've yet to have a moderate Templar viewpoint in or around our party, and now that the circles (as we knew them) are gone and we'll likely be moving on from southern Thedas we probably never will.

Cullen doing a complete 180 after Kirkwall is entirely in character. In the mage origin he's sceptical of the more severe forms of the order. Then Uldred happens and he becomes a frothing at the mouth lunatic about cleansing the Circle. After Kirkwall, going back 180 is pretty much all Cullen.

[KainD]

I never had respect for her to begin with.

[DuskWanderer]

People have every good reason to distrust Tevinter. Even without the Inquisition, one of your enemies is a Tevinter-supremacist cult. His own mentor is a high-ranking member within the cult. 

 

Mother Giselle has every reason to be suspicious of Dorian. 

[Dr. rotinaj]

It was definitely a douchey move. Dorian is out there risking his life for the Inquisition. In his introduction he either helps the refugees escape Haven or he helps the Inquisitor get mage allies. I mean sure he's from evil Tevinter, but he's definitely proven his willingness to fight for the cause.

 

I get where Giselle is coming from so I didn't develop a complete hatred for her after her spat with Dorian, but she definitely lost a couple points.

[Teddie Sage]

I don't really hate her, she was in her rights to be suspicious after what happened between her Chantry faction versus the Tevinter Imperium's. I calmed things down with her and she understood that Dorian was a good man, she was just doubting his intentions.

[KaiserShep]

I actually liked this dialogue between Dorian and Giselle. I enjoyed that it broke her constantly agreeable to everything persona that could get really tiresome if she had more screen time. But at the same time, her suspicion of Dorian is fairly realistic, given what he is and who our enemies are.

[Junebug]

her attitude is understandable but i don't like people smack-talking my friends.

this pretty much sums up my attitude toward her after she talked about my da:i bestie:

 

(source)

 

 

also for a while, i thought her name was 'mother gysahl' so I called her 'gysahl greens'.

[Just Here For Popcorns]

What you needed Skyhold and her badmouthing our fabulous Mr.Mustache to wish to murder her? I only needed to hear her sing for that!

[Roamingmachine]

She's a chantry mouthpiece and propaganda tool. Her response to my "People should stop worrying about the next life and start worrying about this one" in the camp after Haven fell is where i lost any and all respect for her. Her undermining of the inquisition with her slandering of Dorian just made me wish i could eject her from Skyhold....with a catapult

[KaiserShep]

She's a chantry mouthpiece and propaganda tool. Her response to my "People should stop worrying about the next life and start worrying about this one" in the camp after Haven fell is where i lost any and all respect for her. Her undermining of the inquisition with her slandering of Dorian just made me wish i could eject her from Skyhold....with a catapult

 

What's her response to that line?

[Ashaantha]

^ Something along the lines of "it's all one world herald, all that changes is our place in it".

 

I didn't mind Mother Giselle, but then I liked Chancellor Roderick (if that's his name) so I can't talk. I thought his entire 'you're guilty' tirade was funny until the end of Haven. I laughed when Giselle lady smack talked Dorian, and Inquistor could rather brilliantly call her out on spreading the rumours herself. Give her credit, she does apologise to both and walks off. It doesn't need to be sincere but it's there lol.

[phaonica]

I admittedly did lose some respect for her after this. I was disappointed to find out that instead of coming to me with her concerns, she made what I interpreted to be passive aggressive suggestions that I get rid of Dorian in the guise of caring about the relationship between him and his family. Then I find out that she is basically reinforcing the people's distrust instead of (again) just coming and talking to me about it. It may be realistic, but it's still frustrating.

 

Still, scenes like this one gave Dorian the opportunity to really shine, so I don't dislike how they played out. Not one bit.

[KaiserShep]

I like Dorian's sassmouthing when he calls her a clucking hen.

[In Exile]

I admittedly did lose some respect for her after this. I was disappointed to find out that instead of coming to me with her concerns, she made what I interpreted to be passive aggressive suggestions that I get rid of him in the guise of caring about the relationship between him and his family. Then I find out that she is basically reinforcing the people's distrust instead of (again) just coming and talking to me about it. It may be realistic, but it's still frustrating.

 

Still, scenes like this one gave Dorian the opportunity to really shine, so I don't dislike how they played out. Not one bit.

 

But that's how she operates, for better or worse. She does the exact same thing with the Hinterlands, and our coronation as Inquisitor. She plays games, is indirect, and nudges people along in the direction she wants when they're sort of already leaning that way. 

[Aren]

well you can't always have "everything" even my personal characters have their own flaws,that is what makes them "humans"

[Dieb]

Almost hate her as much as Diane Allers.

 

Wooow there, kimosabe!

 

That's a pretty heavy thing to say. At least Giselle didn't replace Zaeed with weird boobs.