But that's how she operates, for better or worse. She does the exact same thing with the Hinterlands, and our coronation as Inquisitor. She plays games, is indirect, and nudges people along in the direction she wants when they're sort of already leaning that way.
That might be true and it just took me a while to notice it.
No. I felt sorry for her if anything she went from important npc to a garden gnome and news anchor
OMG dying!!! 
She's crazy manipulative. She manipulated the Inquisition (and earlier Justinia) into helping Crestwood by going there. She is the major moving force behind your being named Inquisitor.
She wants Dorian removed because he's a Tevinter.
She's not a nice person, and this is pure politics with her.
Wait? What's this about?
After she makes a few remarks following her song in the refugee valley (after the Haven attack), I pretty much ignore her. She can feel however she wants, but I'm not wasting valuable time giving any thought to her attitude.
I didn't dislike Mother Giselle at all. She's worried about the inquisitor's reputation, and she backs off when you tell her to. No harm, no foul.
Dorian is one of my favorite characters and I'm ridiculously fond of him... but I don't see the point in protecting him from rumors. It seems to me that practice would only encourage people to think that he was either controlling the inquisitor or that he's too weak to take care of himself. Obviously, neither is true. His dialogue with Mother Giselle is a thing of beauty.
I lost a little respect because up until that time my view of her was this ideal chantry mother with no flaws. But when i thought about it, I didn't let it bother me too much because it just shows that everyone has flaws.
Also I remember my first few encounters with Dorian. I didn't fully trust him. It took a long time before I did. I let my biases against Tevinter colour my view of him. Mother Giselle is simply acting the same way.
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Did anyone else lose all respect for Mother Giselle shortly after arriving in Skyhold? She spread negative rumors about Dorian, tried to lead him into a trap, constantly spoke badly of him, and tried to make the Inquisitor suspicious of him, all because she feared losing influence. Before Skyhold she seemed like a kind, moral, upstanding woman, only to show her true colours once the evil Tevinter arrived. Honestly, she's just as bad as the rest of the Chantry, and I wish I could kick her out.
Almost hate her as much as Diane Allers.
You mean she's NOT a completely, spotlessly, objectively perfect person with absolutely NO flaws or prejudices at all? She DARES to have negative character traits in a world filled with grey and grey morality, conflicting worldviews, and tons of flawed, complex, believable, well-rounded characters?
HOW DARE SHE! Even though she's still far more open-minded than her Chantry peers for accepting mages in a sea of hysterical mage-phobia, accepting elves and dwarves and vashoth in an age of casual racism, doesn't automatically assume that a biological vashoth is automatically one of the fanatic "conquer and convert" Qunari culture, gently accepts the conflicting religious beliefs of an agnostic, atheist, or "pagan"-worshipping Herald, spends all of her time treating and saving mortally wounded refugees instead of abandoning them to grab political power, and restores the people's faith in both the Herald and the Inquisition when both are at their lowest point--forget all that! The fact that she is a little bigoted toward one Tevinter companion, and may have passed on few sundry rumors, and tried to encourage the Inquisitor to send said Tevinter home--even though she never does more than raise a few concerns and then humbly apologize and back off when called out on it--makes her worse than Thedas Hitler and she should be whipped, beaten, flogged, and sent packing!
Seriously, I was a little disappointed since I'd come to expect better from her by that point, but also kind of relieved that they finally revealed her one character flaw so I could stop worrying over how unrealistically perfect she was. I think it was a little unrealistically applied since she seems to be perfectly open-minded about every other race, culture, and nationality, with Tevinter being the one glaring exception, but what can you do?
I'm disappointed, but I don't hate her, nor want to send her packing over it.
I didn't care for it mostly because I find that sort of behavior annoying. If she has a problem with Dorian, why doesn't she try talking to him? And if she still doesn't believe him, talk to the Inquisitor. And if she's still not satisfied, why doesn't she just go back to the wheelhouse of 'Silently Judging While Planning a Serious I-Told-You-So for When Things Go Exactly as I Suspect?' It's fine that she doesn't like him, I just didn't like how she handled it.
This, basically made her somewhat annoying for me. Of course she's easy to ignore as well, so I can't say I ever considered Mother Giselle to be that much of a problem.
Sooo lemme see, a old tevinter magister comes back to wreck havoc on the world followed by a current tevinter magister in his service an ppl have a problem because someone who is basically with you from the start throws suspicion on another tevinter who just suddenly appears and wants to help you?#
No i dont have a problem with her an never will, i applaud her an her suspicions
Lol Mother Giselle was so annoying, they should have made a quest to get her out of Skyhold for good.
I like Giselle. Objectively speaking, it makes perfect sense for her to be skeptical of Dorian. We see numerous examples of the Venatori beguiling important people throughout southern Thedas. Having it look like the same thing is happening to the Inquisitor could be very damaging whether or not it was actually true. I think her concerns would have been lessened if she had gotten to know Dorian, but it's pretty clear that neither one of them is particularly interested in chatting with the other.
I'm willing to cut her some slack, especially since she didn't seem to be trying to be malicious. I don't doubt that she had good intentions, and Dorian doesn't either even despite not being particularly fond of the woman.
Wait? What's this about?
In the village in the Hinterlands where you find her, there's a letter (I believe from Justinia) that amounts to saying the following:
Mother Giselle went to the Hinterlands to help refugees because, given her position in the chantry, there would be a need to send forces and supplies to (1) keep her from getting herself killed and (2) effectively embarrassing the Chantry by having it be shown completely ineffectual.
To me, something like that just shows that she's more interested in helping people than obeying bureaucracy. I have no doubt that she does things to nudge things in the direction that she thinks they should go, but I don't really find that to be a negative thing in and of itself. In her case, it actually strikes me as rather commendable.
To me, something like that just shows that she's more interested in helping people than obeying bureaucracy. I have no doubt that she does things to nudge things in the direction that she thinks they should go, but I don't really find that to be a negative thing in and of itself. In her case, it actually strikes me as rather commendable.
I came here thinking this would be another thread about losing respect for BioWare or devs...
Anyway, I started disliking her after she began acting like Whitney Houston.
When she confronted Dorian, dislike was replaced by hate.
Like: "What did you say about my bestie?????"
I came here thinking this would be another thread about losing respect for BioWare or devs...
Anyway, I started disliking her after she began acting like Whitney Houston.
When she confronted Dorian, dislike was replaced by hate.
Like: "What did you say about my bestie?????"
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I don't think it's a bad thing. I just think that show she works. It enhances her virtues but is also reflective in her faults. All I mean to say is that her moving the public view against Dorian is no different from now she helped the refugees or conspired to make you Inquisitor.
I just didn't want me agreeing that she can be manipulative to be seen as a condemnation. I think a lot of people see it as a negative character trait regardless of how it's used.
To be honest, if I were in my Inquisitor's position for the gossip conversation, it wouldn't even occur to me to accuse her of spreading the rumors. I don't remember anything that she says before being accused that made me think that she'd done anything wrong. That's neither here nor there of course since the rest of the conversation makes it clear that she was involved, but I just found it odd.
Did anyone else lose all respect for Mother Giselle shortly after arriving in Skyhold?
No. She was just doing her job to protect the Inquisitor from a foreigner whose true intentions he certainly hid from the Inquisition, no matter how much he pretended to be harmless and fight for justice.
Until today, I don't know just what exactly did Dorian want with the Inquisition. This might have gone beyond his ongoing fight with his father and you never knew. What matters is, after Corypheus' defeat, he certainly brought back home a good amount of information on one of Thedas' most powerful institutions.
And the fact that information will inevitably reach the wrong ears really bothers me.
Did anyone else lose all respect for Mother Giselle shortly after arriving in Skyhold?
No. She was just doing her job to protect the Inquisitor from a foreigner whose true intentions he certainly hid from the Inquisition, no matter how much he pretended to be harmless and fight for justice.
It wasn't her job.
Dorian never hid his intentions.
Until today, I don't know just what exactly did Dorian want with the Inquisition. This might have gone beyond his ongoing fight with his father and you never knew. What matters is, after Corypheus' defeat, he certainly brought back home a good amount of information on one of Thedas' most powerful institutions.
And the fact that information will inevitably reach the wrong ears really bothers me.
I'd be almost disappointed if that doesn't happen. Dorian can try for positive change all he wants - collateral will happen. And my friendship with him is nice, but I'm alright with some blowback.
It wasn't her job.
Dorian never hid his intentions.
How can you be sure? What he told you and the real reason why he went to Southern Thedas are separate things.
You cannot presume a foreigner trying to become your ally in a war is always teling you the truth when you're the leader of a political and military organisation.
How can you be sure? What he told you and the real reason why he went to Southern Thedas are separate things.
You cannot presume a foreigner trying to become your ally in a war is always teling you the truth when you're the leader of a political and military organisation.
Then you shouldn't have recruited him. You knew he was Tevinter before you recruited him ( esp, If you met with the Mages before choosing a side.) Mind you, I think it sucks that we can't outright kick any companion after recruitment. However, you've been given enough info to decide to recruit before recruiting.
As the leader of a political/military organization you shouldn't need a Chantry Mother to do your job for you.
She didn't make enough of an impact on my Inquisitor for me to lose respect for her, but she definitely had a Chantry agenda. I found her involvement in Dorian's quest interesting but annoying, like a gnat buzzing round my head that I wanted to swat. I have Leliana that I hope would be doing background checks on my companions.
Until today, I don't know just what exactly did Dorian want with the Inquisition. This might have gone beyond his ongoing fight with his father and you never knew. What matters is, after Corypheus' defeat, he certainly brought back home a good amount of information on one of Thedas' most powerful institutions.
And the fact that information will inevitably reach the wrong ears really bothers me.
To be fair, besides Cassandra, Solas (and Varric to an extent) the lack of a clear motivation to join the Inquisition is something that's common amongst our companions.
Cole's is a very vague "I just want to help." Dorian doesn't seem to have a motivation beyond showing people that Tevinters aren't all bad, somehow helping Tevinter down the line. Vivienne's reason is political, and though everyone and their mother has a theory (ranging from it being her plan to become divine right from the beginning to her just wanting to remain relevant.) nobody knows for sure. Iron Bull is reporting to the Qunari about the fade tear and the Inquisition, but he doesn't necessarily need to be a part of the Inquisition to do either. Blackwall is running away from his past, but didn't need to join in order to continue doing so, he was arguably doing a better job of it before he joined. Sera is joining to satisfy her curiosity about the maker, even though she doesn't really want to know, lest it become to complicated.
Beyond the general not wanting the world to end, few have any kind of personal stake in the Inquisition. Even the Inquisitor is but a victim of circumstance that's just kinda dragged along for the ride. Hawke was the one with a personal stake in all of this.
(to SnakeCode)
Cole, depending on who you side with, comes to warn you and likely because he sees all the hopelessness, despair and wounded, he sticks around to help.
I think Dorian does it for semi-personal reasons in regards to his former mentor who is also using a magical device they co-created and then has it in for the Venatori cult before adding Corypheus to his reasons.
While Iron Bull wouldn't need to be a part of the Inquisition to aquire information, I think it was a greater benefit to the Qun to have him as an informant on the inside and help since they like the whole "demons raining from the sky" even less than others and it is known the Inquisitor can close rifts the Inquisition seems the best option to stop the breach.
Blackwall, I believed, heard about the Wardens missing from the Inquisitor so he wanted to help find them as well as contribute however he could to closing the breach.
Sera wants things back to normal which is why she is going along for the ride and I think she even admits this shortly after being recruited.
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