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[Xilizhra]

Oh no........

 

Ok, this is a really bad thing for you to say right now.  Player-sexuality is generally frowned upon here (player-sexuality = making all romanceable characters available to the PC regardless of gender or personality).  Sera is les for a specific reason that has little to do with gamers, just like Dorian being gay, IB and Josephine being bi, and Cullen, Blackwall, Solas, and Cassandra being straight.  A character's sexuality is just as much part of them as their background and personality.  When the writers are creating their characters, they are thinking about what would be interesting for a character while making sense for their personality, not how they're going to make certain things exclusive to certain types of gamers.

 

Anyway, you could easily 'romance' Harding, though there's no sex scene and once you romance someone else, your relationship with her immediately ends.

 

(* I'm actually asexual, but I self-identify as being straight.  Since I'm ace, I tend to rate LIs by the quality of their romances and their personalities rather than their looks and their sex scenes, which I believe is what people should do)

While the way that the OP has phrased things is fairly cloddish, I'm entirely on the side of all PCs being bisexual/pansexual/what have you.

[Andrew256]

Player-sexuality is generally frowned upon here (player-sexuality = making all romanceable characters available to the PC regardless of gender or personality).  Sera is les for a specific reason that has little to do with gamers, just like Dorian being gay, IB and Josephine being bi, and Cullen, Blackwall, Solas, and Cassandra being straight.  A character's sexuality is just as much part of them as their background and personality.  When the writers are creating their characters, they are thinking about what would be interesting for a character while making sense for their personality, not how they're going to make certain things exclusive to certain types of gamers.

Well, it's totally understandable. If this been discussed million times, I apologise. It's just a matter of how serious people view their game characters.

 

I think I've already said everything, so I'm going to stop.

 

More fun facts and videos on DA relationships wouldn't hurt, thought

[BronzTrooper]

While the way that the OP has phrased things is fairly cloddish, I'm entirely on the side of all PCs being bisexual/pansexual/what have you.

 

I'm going to assume you meant LIs.  

 

Honestly, I feel like making all the LIs romanceable regardless of your PC's gender/race/etc. kind of makes their romances less.... meaningful.  I'd elaborate, but I don't want to make this thread about whether or not player-sexuality is a good thing in BW games.

[BronzTrooper]

Well, it's totally understandable. If this been discussed million times, I apologise. It's just a matter of how serious people view their game characters.

 

I think I've already said everything, so I'm going to stop.

 

More fun facts and videos on DA relationships wouldn't hurt, thought

 

This is BSN.  People here are very passionate about the games and the characters within them.  Don't worry, you get used to it after a while.  

[Xilizhra]

I'm going to assume you meant LIs.  

 

Honestly, I feel like making all the LIs romanceable regardless of your PC's gender/race/etc. kind of makes their romances less.... meaningful.  I'd elaborate, but I don't want to make this thread about whether or not player-sexuality is a good thing in BW games.

That seems like a mere whisper away from saying that bisexual romances in general are less meaningful.

[Abraham_uk]

In Dragon Age 2 all love interests are bisexual.

Perhaps this game would be better suited to the OP's tastes.

[Andrew256]

I'm going to assume you meant LIs.  

 

Honestly, I feel like making all the LIs romanceable regardless of your PC's gender/race/etc. kind of makes their romances less.... meaningful.  I'd elaborate, but I don't want to make this thread about whether or not player-sexuality is a good thing in BW games.

 

But it could be like this: if the romance is going according to character personality, you get it fairly easy, like in current DA:I game. But, if you want to romance character outside of their "personality zone", so to speak, you must put an extra effort and time, do more hard side quests spanning many hours e.t.c., because to change someone personality is not an easy feat. But that's probably not going to happen in further games...

[SofaJockey]

Well, it's totally understandable. If this been discussed million times, I apologise. It's just a matter of how serious people view their game characters.

I think I've already said everything, so I'm going to stop.

More fun facts and videos on DA relationships wouldn't hurt, thought

 

And for an interesting panel that addresses some of the issues on this subject, 

please check out this discussion 'Freaking out the neighbors', it's very informative.

 

[andy6915]

Who's Kenneth?

 
I'm on a bioware forum, and no one gets this joke? For shame!


 

Engineer Kenneth Donnelly, a character from Mass Effect 2/3 who makes a comment about Samantha Traynor being hot or something and his coworker Gabriella Daniels tells him that he's barking up the wrong tree, since Samantha is lesbian.

Ah, someone did get it!

[BronzTrooper]

That seems like a mere whisper away from saying that bisexual romances in general are less meaningful.

 

tbf, I was talking about making all the available LIs bi rather than making some bi and others straight/gay/les.

[Xilizhra]

tbf, I was talking about making all the available LIs bi rather than making some bi and others straight/gay/les.

I know. I prefer it DA2's way.

[BronzTrooper]

But it could be like this: if the romance is going according to character personality, you get it fairly easy, like in current DA:I game. But, if you want to romance character outside of their "personality zone", so to speak, you must put an extra effort and time, do more hard side quests spanning many hours e.t.c., because to change someone personality is not an easy feat. But that's probably not going to happen in further games...

 

If BW made dating sims, yes, that could work, but what many people seem to forget is that BW doesn't make dating sims.  Romances are added on as a feature you can engage in or ignore as you choose.  It's like how some weapons and armors are restricted to specific classes and (as of DA:I) races.  Yes, BW could easily make it where any class or race can use any weapon or armor, but putting restrictions on such things provides more of a challenge and, possibly, replayability.

[BronzTrooper]

I know. I prefer it DA2's way.

 

I did like how DA2 did it (tbh, I wasn't all that surprised to learn that Anders was bi in DA2 because I had a feeling he was bi in Awakening from when I first met him), though, imo, having Anders and Isabela be bi made more sense than having Fenris and Merrill be bi.  They still work, yes, but imo, Fenris and Merrill are better suited to being straight LIs rather than bi.

 

I prefer how DA:O, DA:I, and ME did it, though.  It felt more authentic to have certain LIs be restricted depending on my choice of race and/or gender to me.

[Xilizhra]

though, imo, having Anders and Isabela be bi made more sense than having Fenris and Merrill be bi.  They still work, yes, but imo, Fenris and Merrill are better suited to being straight LIs rather than bi.

How?

[AWTEW]

Yeah, but as I said earlier, I think that to have an ideal (as in "canon") play-through, Inquisitor must have a love interest with adjacent story, because it's greatly contributes the overall scenario. I wanted it to be Sera, and now I'm probably can't have anyone because of spoiled relationships. Also, a sex scene contributes to the overall "adultness" of the story, which is one more reason to pursue it.

 

My response is best in Gif form.

 

[BronzTrooper]

How?

 

I've romanced both Fenris (f!Hawke only, though I've seen videos of m!Hawke/Fenris on YT) and Merrill (f!Hawke once, m!Hawke twice) and, imo, both of their romances feel better suited to being m/f romances rather than m/m or f/f.  Isabela was bi back in DA:O and, as I said, I always felt that Anders was bi since Awakening.

 

Either way, it's just my opinion.  Not like it changes anything about the game for you.

[LobselVith8]

I've romanced both Fenris (f!Hawke only, though I've seen videos of m!Hawke/Fenris on YT) and Merrill (f!Hawke once, m!Hawke twice) and, imo, both of their romances feel better suited to being m/f romances rather than m/m or f/f.  Isabela was bi back in DA:O and, as I said, I always felt that Anders was bi since Awakening.

 

Either way, it's just my opinion.  Not like it changes anything about the game for you.

 

I'm a little surprised it came across that way to you, since Gaider mentioned a while back that he wrote Fenris' romance with a male Hawke in mind.

[BronzTrooper]

I'm a little surprised it came across that way to you, since Gaider mentioned a while back that he wrote Fenris' romance with a male Hawke in mind.

 

Really?  Huh.... learn something new everyday.  

[Dio Demon]

Where is this gloriousness from????

Plastic nee san. Half an hour of pure unadulterated awesomeness!

[laoch101]

Someone got butthurt, lol!

[Xilizhra]

I've romanced both Fenris (f!Hawke only, though I've seen videos of m!Hawke/Fenris on YT) and Merrill (f!Hawke once, m!Hawke twice) and, imo, both of their romances feel better suited to being m/f romances rather than m/m or f/f.  Isabela was bi back in DA:O and, as I said, I always felt that Anders was bi since Awakening.

 

Either way, it's just my opinion.  Not like it changes anything about the game for you.

So, again, why is it that they seem more straight to you?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And for an interesting panel that addresses some of the issues on this subject, 

please check out this discussion 'Freaking out the neighbors', it's very informative.

 

Take it away, cat. 

 

[jtav]

I've come around to bisexual/playersexual, outside of cases like Dorian. A player is simultaneously experiencing and creating the story. If I decide that the Cassandra type is perfect for my f!Cafash or Cullen for a m!qunari, that should be my option.

[Sporothrix]

 

Sera is les for a specific reason that has little to do with gamers, just like Dorian being gay, IB and Josephine being bi, and Cullen, Blackwall, Solas, and Cassandra being straight.  A character's sexuality is just as much part of them as their background and personality.  When the writers are creating their characters, they are thinking about what would be interesting for a character while making sense for their personality, not how they're going to make certain things exclusive to certain types of gamers.

 

There was lot of talking that Cullen was actually going to be bisexual but devs ran out of time. But regardless if it's true or not, I'm pretty sure that Sera is a lesbian only because they had to make one of female characters gay. In case of Dorian his sexuality really is integrated with his character arc, but as for Sera, well, she could as well be straight or bisexual, in that second situation she wouldn't even need that much of a change in dialogues. There was even a line about marriage in one of final romance conversations with Sera, which was really weird - didn't know there are same-sex marriages in the world of Thedas. Wonder why my lesbian elf in DAO was forced to marry a man then.

 

And don't even mention Josephine - her whole romance arc is very obviously written for a male character playing that "prince charming" trope, needing serious rewriting and deconstruction to fit if it's going to be about two women, and also to match with game's lore about treatment of homosexuality among nobles - instead, the same lines are just shoehorned for a woman, giving a feeling of romancing straight character via mod like in older Bioware games. As far as I know outside of optional romance with female PC Josie doesn't express any interest in women, while she does in men.

[Xilizhra]

There was lot of talking that Cullen was actually going to be bisexual but devs ran out of time. But regardless if it's true or not, I'm pretty sure that Sera is a lesbian only because they had to make one of female characters gay. In case of Dorian his sexuality really is integrated with his character arc, but as for Sera, well, she could as well be straight or bisexual, in that second situation she wouldn't even need that much of a change in dialogues. There was even a line about marriage in one of final romance conversations with Sera, which was really weird - didn't know there are same-sex marriages in the world of Thedas. Wonder why my lesbian elf in DAO was forced to marry a man then.

 

And don't even mention Josephine - her whole romance arc is very obviously written for a male character playing that "prince charming" trope, needing serious rewriting and deconstruction to fit if it's going to be about two women, and also to match with game's lore about treatment of homosexuality among nobles - instead, the same lines are just shoehorned for a woman, giving a feeling of romancing straight character via mod like in older Bioware games. As far as I know outside of optional romance with female PC Josie doesn't express any interest in women, while she does in men.

I think the line about marriage was a joke.

 

As for Josephine, I might have said this before, but: Antiva has no prejudice against homosexuality at all. Zevran brings it up in DAO. It's more tolerant in that regard than Ferelden and even Orlais. Though I would be interested to hear what you'd have to say about what would be needed for rewriting/deconstruction otherwise.