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[veramis]

"One of the most important things in communication is for the listener to try to understand what is meant by the speaker"?

 

Your hypocrisy is astonishing. You piled on me in a second, insulting both my intelligence and my playstyle because I civilly disagreed with something you said.

 

Maybe instead of doling out judgements and attacks on other people's personal character, you should take a good hard look at what a weenie you're being.

 

 

Take your own advice for once, or just shut up.

 

You're referring to a discussion which most people on this forum can't view because it takes place in the beta forum. There's no way people without access to beta to see what we wrote, so there is no point trying to argue the issue over here. And definitely, I don't want to derail this thread with our argument. The only other thing I will say in my defense is that my statements have not be rebutted, and if you want to rebut them, do so on the proper thread, or PM me about it, not try to derail this one with what goes on in a thread most other forumers can't view.

[Gya]

medallian doesn't strike me as an e-peener. Note how he states that stats aren't everything. Also, every time he posts he gets a lot of sh*t. While I find his writing style somewhat irksome, we all have our flaws. I have to respect how well he takes all the hate. I can't recall a single rage response or flame attempt on his part.

+1 respact.

[DrKilledbyDeath]

He reminds me of the Community episode where Britta was in love with a carnival worker named Blade who felt no shame because some piece of metal got lodged in his head.

[HeroicMass]

I recently played with a certain strong player that leached for most of the game

[ALTBOULI]

I recently played with a certain strong player that leached for most of the game

You came second on the scoreboard - pipe down!

[SpaceV3gan]

medallian doesn't strike me as an e-peener. Note how he states that stats aren't everything. Also, every time he posts he gets a lot of sh*t. While I find his writing style somewhat irksome, we all have our flaws. I have to respect how well he takes all the hate. I can't recall a single rage response or flame attempt on his part.

+1 respact.

Even if he had e-peen pretensions, I gotta say that 370 promotions legit is quite commendable. Certainly not many people out there have these many (not without shortcuts). It requires crazy amounts of dedication and there is nothing wrong about him being proud of his endeavors.
I am pretty sure he helped as well as got helped by dozens, if not hundreds of players along the way. DAMP needs more people like him.

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

I recently played with a certain strong player that leached for most of the game

It happens, because a lot of these dudes are either burnt out from grinding points in damp or close to burnt out.

[Best of the Best]

I am better than anyone

[apocalypse_owl]

Who cares? This game is a cakewalk even with 10/10/10 base stats assuming you get a level 20+ item for each slot. There is absolutely nothing in this game which accurately measures how good you are, because the skill ceiling is just so low. I play with someone is getting immortal medals on Perilous after a few routine games because she got a few good item drops. She has never played a dragon age game before this one and doesn't even play video games much aside from the odd MMO. 

 

If you want to measure how good you are at playing video games, play any game which is PVP, specifically ones with a high skill ceiling such as FPS or RTS games.

[hellbiter88]

Who cares? This game is a cakewalk even with 10/10/10 base stats assuming you get a level 20+ item for each slot. There is absolutely nothing in this game which accurately measures how good you are, because the skill ceiling is just so low. I play with someone is getting immortal medals on Perilous after a few routine games because she got a few good item drops. She has never played a dragon age game before this one and doesn't even play video games much aside from the odd MMO. 

 

If you want to measure how good you are at playing video games, play any game which is PVP, specifically ones with a high skill ceiling such as FPS or RTS games.

 

I agree with your statement about PVP, but the rest is untrue. You can absolutely guage a player's skill in DAMP. Immortal metals just means she manages to not die. The utilization of cover, knowing when and when not to aggro a mob, effective placement of CC, and skillful combinations of abilities/status effects is key. Yes, at a certain point overwhelming stats and superior items will render skill increasingly less important, but a player's skill at the game can be pretty easily determined just on how they act.

[DrakeHasNoFlow]

I agree with your statement about PVP, but the rest is untrue. You can absolutely guage a player's skill in DAMP. Immortal metals just means she manages to not die. The utilization of cover, knowing when and when not to aggro a mob, effective placement of CC, and skillful combinations of abilities/status effects is key. Yes, at a certain point overwhelming stats and superior items will render skill increasingly less important, but a player's skill at the game can be pretty easily determined just on how they act.

Yes, I do believe there is skill in this game, but there is definitely a ceiling to it. At the end of the day, it's not about how good you actually are but rather how much time you've put into stats and getting high end gear. The other other way to truly gauge skill is purposely handicapping the game by not using high end gear and having low-mid stats because the margin for error is that much smaller.

[Drasca]

Yes, I do believe there is skill in this game, but there is definitely a ceiling to it.

 

That ceiling varies widely between kits and builds. At the end of the day, one player has done several successful runs with few to no deaths, and the other has maybe one with plenty of deaths full of arrows. Living successful runs in short times, vs dead / lower reward / longer recovery times.

 

Casuals die a lot, or choose to play in the sandbox of routine/threatening. They may stick to easy kits and builds as well. There are very few players that are good at all the classes, and can pull victory from defeat repeatedly in clutch situations.

 

Yes gear helps, but as shown in the "why do marksmen hit for 1k+" thread, it doesn't stop players from becoming dead pincushions if they're terrible. Truly skilled players can even dodge those arrows at point blank at times, and won't get hit nearly as much as bad ones.

 

If you believe gear and stats are the only way to progress, that means your imagination & vision is lacking. While it is certainly a steady means, it is by no means the only one, and certainly not the best way to get better.

 

There will be people criticizing me as one of the 'have stats'. I've played perilous on lowbie account without promotes and with low / bad / common gear, witnessed by others here on BSN, and played excellenty without the benefit of great gear. I swear a lot more, but I still take less exceedingly less damage than those ignorant on how to play, and survive more even on 'less survivable' 'squishy' classes like assassin because it is definitely possible to do so when playing both correctly and imaginatively.

 

So what if the margin of error is smaller in bad situations? Learn to make good situations to begin with. The ceiling is much higher for some than others once you learn to take off those blinders thinking stats and gear are the only things to do getting better. They're not. Start with learning aggro and enemy animations. Learn new builds. The player that does 1/10th of what hellbiter mentioned above will be incredibly better than those that don't.

[apocalypse_owl]

Truly skilled players can even dodge those arrows at point blank at times, and won't get hit nearly as much as bad ones.

 

 

You heard it here first folks! Pressing the left and right arrow key alternately is true skill.

 

The ceiling is much higher for some than others once you learn to take off those blinders thinking stats and gear are the only things to do getting better. They're not.

 

The fact that I can pretty easily solo perilous on my base game but can't on a new account despite using the exact same playstyle disproves this 100%. You must be mad if you think that having 50% DR from all sources, 20% heal per kill and weapons which drop even high tier enemies in a few hits doesn't give a monumental advantage. Sure, a little game knowledge goes a long way, I agree, but id say that 90% of player improvement comes from getting better gear and stats.

 

Make a video of you soloing perilous with any Rogue with any weapon being no higher than 5 with no heal on kill rings. Post the live results, including your microphone, and then claim that stats and gear has little to do with player improvement.

I also find it pretty sad that you admit to getting angry to the point of screaming and swearing at yourself and others over what is probably the most casual game ive played since Minecraft. You know why there is so little 'pros' and so many 'casuals' as you put it play this game? Because everyone who actually cares about competitive or challenging gameplay does not play a casual tacked on mini game such as this one.

[ALTBOULI]

Lol the skill argument again, when will you people wake up, there is no skill in this game. This game is dependent on gear and promotions. Apocalypse_owl has given a perfectly reason why there is no skill in this game with his mentioning of Perilous solo attempts on two different accounts.

[Drasca]

The fact that I can pretty easily solo perilous on my base game but can't on a new account despite using the exact same playstyle disproves this 100%.

 

You've proved nothing except you personally cannot play well without promotes/gear. Myself, and several others, have perilous on farm status with new and low promote accounts that started with no gear. Clearly the problem is with you when you're the one not succeeding, and we are.

 

Lol the skill argument again, when will you people wake up, there is I have no skill in this game. This game is dependent on gear and promotions. Apocalypse_owl has given a perfectly reason why there is Apocalypse_owl has no skill in this game

 

FTFY

[Kenny Bania]

Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[ChessEffect]

You've proved nothing except you personally cannot play well without promotes/gear. Myself, and several others, have perilous on farm status with new and low promote accounts that started with no gear. Clearly the problem is with you when you're the one not succeeding, and we are.

 

 

FTFY

 

Lol why did you edit this post? You don't come across as anywhere near as much of an arrogant douchebag as you did previously.

[ALTBOULI]

You've proved nothing except you personally cannot play well without promotes/gear. Myself, and several others, have perilous on farm status with new and low promote accounts that started with no gear. Clearly the problem is with you when you're the one not succeeding, and we are.
 

 
FTFY

Looooooooool so butthurt. Once again you get called out for the nonsense you say and once again you throw your toys out the pram. Case in point Drasca, you were rage-quitting Threatening games before you promoted and got all your gear so I guess your a scrub as well. Please tell us more about your Perilous 'solo's were you start a game and wait for friends or better yet shows us the 3 Fadecloacks in 10/12 seconds.

[apocalypse_owl]

You've proved nothing except you personally cannot play well without promotes/gear. Myself, and several others, have perilous on farm status with new and low promote accounts that started with no gear. Clearly the problem is with you when you're the one not succeeding, and we are.

 

See the thing is, you've proven my point perfectly. When casual scrubs like myself can solo perilous with high level weapons and average promotions (my stats are 25/38/40), but can't without, that means that promotions and gear is what makes good players. No skill required (because I am still the same player). Also, I don't need skill and meaninglesss e-points to enjoy this game, because I have friends.

 

Ive also yet to see any actual proof to back up your wild claims either, so either record your rouge soloing perilous with level 5 gear and no heal on kill (with live mic recording), or sit down and stop boasting about how good you are at a casual non competitive PVE minigame.

[ALTBOULI]

So Drasca has an alt account, maybe now he can finally accept my challenge and solo Perilous without any promotions or OP gear. After all he's talented enough to dodge arrows at point blank range and can solo Perilous with a lvl 4 Katari. The ball is in your court Drasca, accept my challenge and prove us wrong, it should be easy enough to do right?

Solo Perilous with a Katari (No promotions)

[N7 Tigger]

No one takes Drasca seriously except Drasca.

[Gya]

This e-drama is a bit one-sided, so I'll wade in here for no particular reason.

I've played with Drasca quite a bit, and he is a good player. He also does have good points to make about game mechanics which are helpful to newer players. Sure, he can come across as condescending, but a lot of what he says is true. He also never made any claim to be able to solo to completion with a level 4 katari, he even posted a vid of him wiping in zone 3.

A bit of thunderdome would be just what we need. Fight of the Century! Mayweather vs Pacquiao? Pffft, amateur sh*t. But alas, platform apartheid means that it will never happen.

Anyway, I'm enjoying the drama, I've got my popcorn ready. Come at me, bros.

Oh, and inb4 sockpuppet.

[ALTBOULI]

This e-drama is a bit one-sided, so I'll wade in here for no particular reason.
I've played with Drasca quite a bit, and he is a good player. He also does have good points to make about game mechanics which are helpful to newer players. Sure, he can come across as condescending, but a lot of what he says is true. He also never made any claim to be able to solo to completion with a level 4 katari, he even posted a vid of him wiping in zone 3.
A bit of thunderdome would be just what we need. Fight of the Century! Mayweather vs Pacquiao? Pffft, amateur sh*t. But alas, platform apartheid means that it will never happen.
Anyway, I'm enjoying the drama, I've got my popcorn ready. Come at me, bros.
Oh, and inb4 sockpuppet.

Then its a failed solo - you cant claim to have solo'ed Perilous if you fail the match but thats exactly what Drasca has done.

[Gya]

Then its a failed solo - you cant claim to have solo'ed Perilous if you fail the match but thats exactly what Drasca has done.

A very fair point, but I don't recall Drasca claiming to have solo'd to completion? Maybe I missed it.

[apocalypse_owl]

This e-drama is a bit one-sided

 

The only reason for that is as a result of Drascas elitist arrogance over something as trivial as Mario Party 8  Dragon Age MP, nobody here actually likes him. Seriously, every single person on my friends list who has every played with him (even those who still do, but do so because he is often the only person who is ever on 24/7) think he is a complete ass. It wouldn't be one sided if there was actually people he treated like people, but he doesn't. 

 

There is plenty of people here who know a lot about the game and help new players (ZorbletSplendor, lpconfig, Mortiel, Penguin, Boatzu) and guess what? They aren't complete and utter dicks about it. They don't make people feel terrible for making mistakes. They don't start shouting, swearing and screaming because you don't do EXACTLY as they say. They have fun and help others to have fun by being nice people.