After 11 playthroughs I am totally frustrated, being a completionist I like to see all outcomes but I cannot make Leliana Divine. My latest attempt. Female qunari mage
allied with mages
did not harden Leliana
told Cassandra the chantry has failed
told Vivienne mages should be free
did not have a wartable mission to support anyone
Celene alive and reunited with Briala
told Leliana I would support her as Divine
told Leliana chantry should be a force for good
and I get Divine Cassandra argh
I hear that having free mages and Briala in the most power is the way to go (letting Celene die and making Gaspard a puppet?). I haven't gotten Leliana ever either :/.
I can't say I've played through the fully as many times, but I've gotten only Leliana.
Human Mage
- allied with mages
- did not harden Leliana
- told Cassandra...something not about the chantry failing. I don't really remember. If there was option along the lines of "you can make it better", I probably chose that.
- Told Vivienne that the mages should be free with limitations
- no war table mission
- Celene queen, not reunited with Briala
- Told Leliana I'd supprt her as Divine
- Don't recall what I told her afterwards
Elf Rogue
- sided with mages
- did not harden her
- Again, probably something neutral about the Chantry succeeding or failing
- Gave Viv the line about free with limitations (I think this was the one where I said a mage should be in the chantry actually, to help govern)
- Celene with Briala
- war table mission for Viv
- got guilted into supporting Leliana again
Got Leliana both times. It may be a bug on your end :/ but I hope some of the slightly differing options I took might help you.
After 11 playthroughs I am totally frustrated, being a completionist I like to see all outcomes but I cannot make Leliana Divine. My latest attempt. Female qunari mage
allied with mages
did not harden Leliana
told Cassandra the chantry has failed
told Vivienne mages should be free
did not have a wartable mission to support anyone
Celene alive and reunited with Briala
told Leliana I would support her as Divine
told Leliana chantry should be a force for good
and I get Divine Cassandra argh
I've only gotten Leliana (softened Lel is the only one I want for divine) in my three complete games. I've always
allied with the Grey Wardens
Celene was alive and not reunited with Briala, and Gaspard was alive
allied with the mages
told Viv that everything she said stunk 
told Cass the chantry had failed
told Lel I supported her for divine
never got a mission to support anyone at the war table
softened Lel
What did you do with the Grey Wardens? Did you exile them? What views did you express on the Circle with other companions? Did you have a character who believed in the maker?
Could that be it I exiled the Grey Wardens, do I have to go that far back? argh I hate this game (obviously not)
Could that be it I exiled the Grey Wardens, do I have to go that far back? argh I hate this game (obviously not)
That gives Cassandra points in the Divine election, but you'd have to have a really tight score with Leliana to have her lose. And I think there's a bug that should tip even this somewhat in her favour (where -s become +s).
As a general rule being moderate on reform helps Cassandra.
Hm.
Elf rogue Inky.
Sided with mages, conscripting them.
Sided with Briala, puppeting Gaspar. Selene died.
Talked to Leliana and did her personal quest.
Talked to Cass and did her personal quest.
Wartable mission to support Cass accepted.
Outcome - Cass, making things back as they were.
I got a hardened Leliana by 'acciden't in first playthrough (I wanted Cass). I'm trying to recall what I did. I pretty much was mates with all the companions, didn't talk to Viv about it, did talk to Cass and gave her the thumbs up but I don't remember her 'support' mission on the war table. I told Leliana I wouldn't support her and she basically told me to get stuffed. Maybe it makes her more determined 
Oh yeah, I supported the mages and made them allies, did everyone's personal quests (sacrificed Bull's Chargers, sniff) and kept Celine on the throne of Orlais, goodbye Gaspard and Briala. Ooh, and sacrificed Stroud.
Have you taken a look at this? http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election
Btw, there's a note at the end that some sort of bug sometimes causes the wrong candidate to be selected. The cause for this is unknown.
I got divine Leliana on my first playthrough.
- Sided with mages, free allies.
- Celene rules. Gaspard alive.
- Hardened Leliana. Failed to soften her.
- Encouraged Cassandra to reform the Seekers though also told her she would make a good divine.
- Told Vivienne mages should be in the Chantry.
- Accepted the Grey Wardens as allies.
- No War Table mission.
- Mostly had Chantry-negative comments or comments which encouraged change/reforming. For example: agreed with Dorian about the Chantry being a relic and told Giselle that it would be difficult for us to do worse than the Chantry.
I am 99% sure that if you make all the 3 major choices which are favorable to a specific candidate you will end with her unless you mess completely your dialogues (i.e telling to Vivienne that mages are needed into the chantry and that she would make a good divine while you are supporting Cass).
And there are also choices that almost cut out a candidate. For example freeing the mages makes nearly impossible to make Vivienne divine, as well as conscripting them practically freeze out Leliana
In my
1 st playtrough -> Conscripted Mages/Kept the Wardens/Celene rules alone -> got Vivienne
2nd playtrough -> Allied with mages/Kept the Wardens/Gaspard is Briala's puppet -> got Leliana
Now I am planning to Ally with Templars/Exile the Wardens/Put Gaspard on the throne and see if I can get Cassandra.
I've always gotten softened Leliana in each playthrough, which I prefer anyway.
Both Rogues and mages (human + elfs): Sided with mages as free allies, allied with the wardens, Celene/Briala/Gaspard working together. Used neutral responses with Cassadra, except told her to rebuild the seekers and make them better. Told softened Leliana that I would support her in becoming the new divine. No war table missions given. All inkys never claiming to be sent/safed by Andraste or being believers. I do recruit Vivienne but after that, I never talk to her. I do her personal mission but otherwise I leave her to gather dust on her balcony.
Okay so I go back to the save just before the final mission. Talk to Cass ask her if she wants to be Divine and tell her there are other ways to help. Then went and played some Jaws of Hakkon to cool off. Went back did final mission and we now have Divine Victoria, boy will the Hero be surprised when she gets back. Good thing about being in charge is making the rules so celibacy will go out the window. Thanks all.
Okay so I go back to the save just before the final mission. Talk to Cass ask her if she wants to be Divine and tell her there are other ways to help. Then went and played some Jaws of Hakkon to cool off. Went back did final mission and we now have Divine Victoria, boy will the Hero be surprised when she gets back. Good thing about being in charge is making the rules so celibacy will go out the window. Thanks all.
You mean Leliana? All three candidates become Divine Victoria on their ascension.
Could that be it I exiled the Grey Wardens, do I have to go that far back? argh I hate this game (obviously not)
Not necessarily. I exiled the grey warden on my elf rogue (who tried for Viv by picking her dialog choices and war table mission). I still ended up agreeing with Leliana when she asked me to support her, and she got picked as Divine.
Not necessarily. I exiled the grey warden on my elf rogue (who tried for Viv by picking her dialog choices and war table mission). I still ended up agreeing with Leliana when she asked me to support her, and she got picked as Divine.
Probably because you allied with the mages? Maybe I am wrong but I don't remember someone who ended up with Leliana if mages were conscripted.
For what I have seen "In Hushed Whispers" seems to be more critical for the Divine Choice and put you immediately on a specific path, while "Champions of the Just" seems to have less impact and keeps your options open.
Probably because you allied with the mages? Maybe I am wrong but I don't remember someone who ended up with Leliana if mages were conscripted.
For what I have seen "In Hushed Whispers" seems to be more critical for the Divine Choice and put you immediately on a specific path, while "Champions of the Just" seems to have less impact and keeps your options open.
Ah that would make sense, and I did ally with them, rather than conscript them, both times. There's really quite a few factors that get taken into account...hrm.
Have you taken a look at this? http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election
Btw, there's a note at the end that some sort of bug sometimes causes the wrong candidate to be selected. The cause for this is unknown.
Ha! I just saw the bug section on the wiki. Looks like Leliana tries her damndest to ninja her way into being Divine the same way she tries to ninjamance the Warden. Despite that, now I know that it is literally impossible for her to be Divine in any of my playthroughs.
You mean Leliana? All three candidates become Divine Victoria on their ascension.
Damn for some reason I never noticed that. Out of 11 playthroughs I've had Cassandra 9 times, Vivienne once and now Leliana once. For some reason I thought they got different names.
Damn for some reason I never noticed that. Out of 11 playthroughs I've had Cassandra 9 times, Vivienne once and now Leliana once. For some reason I thought they got different names.
I kinda like the idea that this is something the player influences indirectly, instead of directly. Real life often works out that way.
That's Bioware's way of avoiding to have to say more than one name in their vague future epilogues
Ah yes, the vague not really the end epilogue. My Warden from the first game ended up with four I think when its all said and done. They do the epilogue mainly because they want to leave room for omg stuff that may come up as a consequence of a dlc or expansions. If you get a concrete ending then they have to find work arounds like the Warden mysteriously surviving his/her death to star in Awakening, its also why there's not really a chance for Hawke or the Inquisitor to sacrifice themselves for the cause. Well in Hawke's case you may choose to, but there isn't one when he/she is the star of the game.
They don't want to pull a Richard Garriott and Ultima, he made this beautiful game tapestry that showed how the game series was supposed to be at the end, the only problem is that Ultima IX is incomplete and buggy as all get out. The epilogue allows for the chance to expand the series without setting anything in stone.
On the actual topic of this thread: Its too bad the only one that can be 100% controlled is Vivienne. You can't kick Cassandra or Leliana from the Inquisition.
Have you taken a look at this? http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election
Don't know if it's a bug or if the wiki page is wrong but I chose options linked to Leliana for everything but I still got Cass at the end.
I'm pissed I got Viv who slaughters all my mages and is basically horrible. I did all I could not to and my Inquisitor would literally go to war with her if she decided on genocide- which she does. I can not imagine the Inquisition just standing by as she kills all the mages that don't do as she says, and that it occurs on a single frame screen while I can only read the consequences and do nothing is extremely galling.
I'm pissed I got Viv who slaughters all my mages and is basically horrible. I did all I could not to and my Inquisitor would literally go to war with her if she decided on genocide- which she does. I can not imagine the Inquisition just standing by as she kills all the mages that don't do as she says, and that it occurs on a single frame screen while I can only read the consequences and do nothing is extremely galling.
I know that feel bro.. Now I am trying to unlock the other choices so that I will able to change that outcome inside the Keep. Leliana is already done and Cassandra is on her way too.
No way that Vivienne will remain the divine of my canon playthrough..not a single chance!
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