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[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

1. How do you know that? We might find another Ark survivors of a previous cycle there...
2. They were probably reaped before they could/would develop that. Like you and some others like to wave it around: 1% of the Milky Way is discovered. Why would anyone bother with intergalactic travel?

 

 

It doesn't matter what they think. There is no definite answer if they can or can't do it. So the option is still open. Which means "we" could do it too with Reaper tech.

 

1. I don't. But if yet another race wasn't completely wiped out, it really starts to do a disservice to the previous games' villains by making them seem incompetent. And brings up questions like how did this cycle survive multiple harvests yet not contact the Protheans when it was their cycle? 

2. If they hadn't developed it by the time they were harvested, then the technology doesn't exist or we wouldn't know how to build it. The only reason we could build the Crucible was because the Reapers left the plans purposefully understandable so this cycle would build it, either as a trap or as a test depending on if you believe the Catalyst. 

 

And how would we get that Reaper tech? We barely understand it enough to reverse engineer relatively simple systems of theirs, like their weapons. Reverse engineering a Reaper core is exponentially harder than that, the Codex reading as we don't understand how it works since it appears to break the laws of physics to us. And if we build it from Reaper corpses or Reaper allies, that leaves the endings as still needing to be addressed. 

[Drone223]

The Broker before Liara wasn't all knowing either. Else he'd still be alive.

Given how Yahg have intelligence on par with Salarian's say he'd was most likely better than Liara. 

[BraveVesperia]

At the end of the battle above Earth, a big wormhole appears because of *something something* dark energy. A bunch of ships from various races get sucked through. Now John Crichton the protagonist is trapped far from home, trying to survive and maybe find a way back. Along the way, they'll meet new races and get embroiled in all sorts of alien drama and wars. Sometimes it will be really trippy.

[ElitePinecone]

Or he should give everything (s)he's got like it's the only way...

 

Ever heared of morale?

 

"Hey Shaperd! How's uniting the Galaxy going? Don't worry in case you fail we have a Plan B. But you will have no part in it so you will die anyway. Bye."

If word about an Ark project gets out, people would probably do anything to get on that ship. There's no need for more chaos and conflict during a Reaper invasion.

 

Both these things. 

 

There is absolutely no reason Shepard or the wider galaxy needed to know about an ark project. As people said, it would probably cause a loss of morale if Shepard or the citizens of the Milky Way learned that their governments were planning for a worst-case scenario.

 

Also, secrets are everywhere in wars. Here's what happened with a similar covert research operation, the Manhatten Project:

 

"A 1945 Life article estimated that before the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings "[p]robably no more than a few dozen men in the entire country knew the full meaning of the Manhattan Project, and perhaps only a thousand others even were aware that work on atoms was involved." The magazine wrote that the more than 100,000 others employed with the project "worked like moles in the dark". Warned that disclosing the project's secrets was punishable by 10 years in prison or a $10,000 ($131,000 today^[1]) fine, they saw enormous quantities of raw materials enter factories with nothing coming out, and monitored "dials and switches while behind thick concrete walls mysterious reactions took place" without knowing the purpose of their jobs."

[Winterking]

Then they'd have to address the endings, making the whole reason they are throwing the Milky Way away pointless. 

If takes place in the Milky Way, they might need to adress the endings in the actual game content. In Andromeda Galaxy, they only need to adress the endings in the form of codex entries.

 

[ElitePinecone]

 

On another note, when we consider the Normandy was traveling at FTL and the wave was going even faster than that to hit the Normandy, there's evidently some form of technology that generates faster than FTL travel. 

 

I'm pretty sure this was a screw-up by the cinematics team, the writers, or both. 

 

Nothing (even in the ME universe) moves faster than light, except stuff that's had its mass reduced by being in an eezo field thing. 

 

The Crucible released energy (or.... whatever the hell it was), and there's no way that would be travelling faster than light. 

[Nitrocuban]

BW should just steal borrow the plot of Stargate Universe's pilot episode.

- Secret science project with lots of spacemagic

- some visitors from all across citadel space cause reason

- suddenly dem Reapers

- "OMG we have no choice, press the button, Commander! It's our only hope of survival"

- after epic cutscene a "fleet" consisting of scientists, soldiers and politicians/civilians of all known species are stranded in Andromeda galaxy

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If takes place in the Milky Way, they might need to adress the endings in the actual game content. In Andromeda Galaxy, they only need to adress the endings in the form of codex entries.

 

Um, no they would still have to address it ingame. For example, the status of the Geth, The status of the circuits from Synthesis, etc would need to be addressed. 

[Nitrocuban]

Um, no they would still have to address it ingame. For example, the status of the Geth, The status of the circuits from Synthesis, etc would need to be addressed. 

Not if ME4 ark starts before ME3's ending. Andromeda is not affected by the Crucible, Krogans, Geth and Krogans in the ark fleet are not affected by what ever happened after they left ME3 space.

[Drone223]

 

There is absolutely no reason Shepard or the wider galaxy needed to know about an ark project. As people said, it would probably cause a loss of morale if Shepard or the citizens of the Milky Way learned that their governments were planning for a worst-case scenario.

 

 

Seeing as how Shepard is one of the most major figures in the war against the reapers, she/he would want to know that there's a plan B should the crucible fail and Shepard is well aware that defeat is a real possibility. The crucible project isn't something Shepard would tell the public about since its needs to be done in secrecy and so would the arc project.

 

Telling Shepard about a plan B =/= Shepard will tell everyone about it. I have no idea how people come to that conclusion because Shepard would never do such a thing.

 

They are already trusting Shepard with a lot of highly important things, so telling Shepard about an ark isn't far fetched. If they can't trust about keeping the ark secret the they shouldn't be trusting him/her with gathering resources for the crucible, updating its progress and mention making alliances in the first place.

[Malanek]

Shepard would put a stop to the Ark project if (s)he knew about it. Travel over there and knock some heads together. No one is left behind, get to work on the Crucible or weapons or ships you cowards!!!

 

To put it in perspective, there are a trillion people in the milky way? Shepard, paragon or renegade, would not be prepared to have a slight reduction in the chance of defeating the reapers when doing so would only potentially save a few thousand.

 

Telling Shepard would be a completely stupid thing to do.

[Drone223]

Shepard would put a stop to the Ark project if (s)he knew about it. Travel over there and knock some heads together. No one is left behind, get to work on the Crucible or weapons or ships you cowards!!!

 

To put it in perspective, there are a trillion people in the milky way? Shepard, paragon or renegade, would not be prepared to have a slight reduction in the chance of defeating the reapers when doing so would only potentially save a few thousand.

 

Telling Shepard would be a completely stupid thing to do.

No it wouldn't be stupid to tell Shepard since Shepard isn't some one who'd say no to such a project since it'd give all known space faring species a chance to survive should the crucible fail. Its better to know there's plan B should Plan A fail then to have no Plan B at all and lose everything.

[ElitePinecone]

Seeing as how Shepard is one of the most major figures in the war against the reapers, she/he would want to know that there's a plan B should the crucible fail and Shepard is well aware that defeat is a real possibility. The crucible project isn't something Shepard would tell the public about since its needs to be done in secrecy and so would the arc project.

 

Shepard wanting to know about everything doesn't mean everyone will tell them everything. People keep secrets. Governments keep secrets.

 

Shepard is a soldier, given an unusual amount of freedom to do their job by virtue of being a video game protagonist. Because this is a video game, we're already given an absurd amount of responsibility for accomplishing every significant thing in the entire war. But it's completely misguided to think that there aren't things going on that Shepard doesn't know about. 

 

They're not a military leader, not a politician, not a high-ranking intelligence official, not a government bureaucrat and not in possession of every single piece of detail about every species' plan for every part of the war. That's the entire point of compartmentalisation. 

 

If you even want an example from the series: after Thessia, the asari councilor says she'll put plans in motion for the preservation of civilisation. She doesn't tell the player what they are, and the player never gets a chance to ask. There's your ark. 

[Drone223]

Shepard wanting to know about everything doesn't mean everyone will tell them everything. People keep secrets. Governments keep secrets.

 

Shepard is a soldier, given an unusual amount of freedom to do their job by virtue of being a video game protagonist. Because this is a video game, we're already given an absurd amount of responsibility for accomplishing every significant thing in the entire war. But it's completely misguided to think that there aren't things going on that Shepard doesn't know about. 

 

They're not a military leader, not a politician, not a high-ranking intelligence official, not a government bureaucrat and not in possession of every single piece of detail about every species' plan for every part of the war. That's the entire point of compartmentalisation. 

 

If you even want an example from the series: after Thessia, the asari councilor says she'll put plans in motion for the preservation of civilisation. She doesn't tell the player what they are, and the player never gets a chance to ask. There's your ark. 

Shepard is only concerned on the important things significant to the over all effort of the war not all the hundreds of battles that are happening. Something like an Ark should the crucible fail would be really important and given how Shepard is one of the major leaders in the war telling he/she would at least like to know there's a plan B in the works.

 

One vague line Tevos says after Thessia tells us nothing about such a project and it can be interpreted in a number of ways but its not definitive proof of an ark project in the works. Its like how the DE concept was foreshadowed in ME2 but was very vague in its build up being mentioned three or four times and most of those mentions come from optional missions.

[ElitePinecone]

Shepard is only concerned on the important things significant to the over all effort of the war not all the hundreds of battles that are happening. Something like an Ark should the crucible fail would be really important and given how Shepard is one of the major leaders in the war telling he/she would at least like to know there's a plan B in the works.

 

Yes, s/he would probably want to know.

 

That doesn't mean anybody has to tell them.

 

Shepard is not the most important person in the universe. The Citadel DLC archives were proof that the Council was keeping secrets throughout the trilogy. 

[Drone223]

Yes, s/he would probably want to know.

That doesn't mean anybody has to tell them.

Shepard is not the most important person in the universe. The Citadel DLC archives were proof that the Council was keeping secrets throughout the trilogy.

If that's the case then they shouldn't even be telling Shepard about the crucible project. Shepard was the only one who warned the galaxy about the reaper's, the one who found the plans for the crucible and the only one of the few people with a decent understanding of the reaper's. Yet if they can't trust Shepard with a plan B after everything Shepard tried to do to prepare the galaxy for the reapers, then why should they even bother telling Shepard about the crucible it makes no sence. Not to mention EDI or the shadow broker (be it Liara or the one before her) would have learned of its existence.

[ElitePinecone]

If that's the case then they shouldn't even be telling Shepard about the crucible project. Shepard was the only one who warned the galaxy about the reaper's, the one who found the plans for the crucible and the only one of the few people with a decent understanding of the reaper's. Yet if they can't trust Shepard with a plan B after everything Shepard tried to do to prepare the galaxy for the reapers, then why should they even bother telling Shepard about the crucible it makes no sence. Not to mention EDI or the shadow broker (be it Liara or the one before her) would have learned of its existence.

 

It might not even be a question of trust. Why would you reveal a worst-case scenario to the person you're putting in charge of Plan A? It's just not something Shepard needs to know, and not something that's relevant to their job. It might actually undermine the war effort by revealing that they aren't confident about the outcome of the war. Sometimes you need to withhold the truth to keep morale up.

 

We've seen that the asari are perfectly capable of hiding things from Shepard, even up to the very last stages of the war. They only revealed the VI when Thessia itself was under attack. 

 

As for other people finding out, how do you know that? EDI isn't omniscient and she can't see everywhere in the galaxy, all the time. There will be some things in the universe too secret for even the Shadow Broker to discover. Neither had knowledge of the Prothean VI on Thessia. Expecting them to know everything is silly. 

[Drone223]

It might not even be a question of trust. Why would you reveal a worst-case scenario to the person you're putting in charge of Plan A? It's just not something Shepard needs to know, and not something that's relevant to their job. It might actually undermine the war effort by revealing that they aren't confident about the outcome of the war. Sometimes you need to withhold the truth to keep morale up.
 
We've seen that the asari are perfectly capable of hiding things from Shepard, even up to the very last stages of the war. They only revealed the VI when Thessia itself was under attack. 
 
As for other people finding out, how do you know that? EDI isn't omniscient and she can't see everywhere in the galaxy, all the time. There will be some things in the universe too secret for even the Shadow Broker to discover. Neither had knowledge of the Prothean VI on Thessia. Expecting them to know everything is silly.

Except Shepard knows that defeat is a real possibility and would expect to know that a plan B is in existence should. Shepard also isn't the type of person who'd go round telling everyone about a top secret super weapon that'd be used to defeat the reaper's or a secert ark project should the crucible fail he/she would only tell people like Hackett or Victus about it. If Shepard can keep the crucible project classified the he/she can keep plan B's existence classified as well. And given how much resources these project would require there is no way for to keep both plan A and plan B secret forever rumors will eventually spread not to mention you'll need to recruit people for these sort of projects lots of people.

We know the asari kept the existence of the artifact hidden and looked how that turned out a lot of bad situations could've been avoided if they shared its existence. Given how the Shadow broker network has been around for a long time it's safe to say the shadow broker would eventually get word on the projects existence.

[Kynare]

Maybe Hackett was jelly and wanted something to himself for once. Gee, Shepard, such a control freak.

[ZoliCs]

If that's the case then they shouldn't even be telling Shepard about the crucible project. Shepard was the only one who warned the galaxy about the reaper's, the one who found the plans for the crucible and the only one of the few people with a decent understanding of the reaper's. Yet if they can't trust Shepard with a plan B after everything Shepard tried to do to prepare the galaxy for the reapers, then why should they even bother telling Shepard about the crucible it makes no sence. Not to mention EDI or the shadow broker (be it Liara or the one before her) would have learned of its existence.

Are you for real?

[Drone223]

Are you for real?

Its really unlikely Shepard would do anything to comprise such a project given how she/he tried to warn everyone about the reaper's in the first place and would be doing anything to ensure the survival of most space faring species such as telling everyone about the crucible.

[ZoliCs]

Alright let's end this once and for all.

 

Could've Shepard know about it? Yes.

Should've? Maybe.

Is it so unbelievable for you to assume that (s)he didn't know about it and it would ruin the whole credibility of the next game? I don't think so.

[Drone223]

Alright let's end this once and for all.

Could've Shepard know about it? Yes.
Should've? Maybe.
Is it so unbelievable for you to assume that (s)he didn't know about it and it would ruin the whole credibility of the next game? I don't think so.

Given the scale such a project would require Shepard eventually would find out one way or another.

Given how important it is to know there is a contingency should the crucible fail and Shepards role against the reapers, yes Shepard should know about it given he/she knows that defeat is a real possibility.

There is no way this plot can't be done without being contrived because there will be certain plot elements that'll have no build up, come out of nowhere and have no mention in the lore that such a feats are possible.

[ZoliCs]

Given the scale such a project would require Shepard would find out one way or another.

You can repeat that as many times as you want it won't make it true. (S)he would or (s)he wouldn't. Both of them is just as likely as the other.

[Drone223]

You can repeat that as many times as you want it won't make it true. (S)he would or (s)he wouldn't. Both of them is just as likely as the other.

Whether one or the other is true is irrelevant, both are still going to be contrived to some degree which is the overall problem.