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[Anacronian Stryx]

True but we have don't how its going to be pulled off if the leak turns out to be true. But regardless there probably going be bad space magic involved to a certain degree as it still going to end up coming out of nowhere like the lazarus project and crucible which the main issue it has.

Well if it's a natural forming wormhole it can theoretically come out of nowhere and nobody should be surprised about that.

 

The on the other hand with so little of the Milky way explored in the Mass Effect universe you can still easily find new things.

[Drone223]

Well if it's a natural forming wormhole it can theoretically come out of nowhere and nobody should be surprised about that.

 

The on the other hand with so little of the Milky way explored in the Mass Effect universe you can still easily find new things.

I know worm holes are natural no doubt about that but at the same time it can sound a bit too convenient that worm hole just happens to be discovered when the reaper's invade.

[Anacronian Stryx]

I know worm holes are natural no doubt about that but at the same time it can sound a bit too convenient that worm hole just happens to be discovered when the reaper's invade.

Reapers invade and suddenly you're traveling to places you haven't before because the reapers presence are changing everything, Old familiar routes have to be reevaluated and all those refugees that went to the citadel most have taken different routes .. all over the place in fact.

 

Somewhere along the way some small ship stumbled on something not seen before and here we go.

 

After all the wormhole could have been there for thousands of years without anybody finding it.

[Drone223]

Reapers invade and suddenly you're traveling to places you haven't before because the reapers presence are changing everything, Old familiar routes have to be reevaluated and all those refugees that went to the citadel most have taken different routes .. all over the place in fact.

 

Somewhere along the way some small ship stumbled on something not seen before and here we go.

 

After all the wormhole could have been there for thousands of years without anybody finding it.

Refugees still used the relay's to some degree especially if the reaper's are yet to arrive and keep in mind reaper's have used refugees as infiltrators so no one escapes them.

[Pasquale1234]

Because such a project would be on a similar scale to the crucible requiring vast amounts of resources and thousands of personal to pull off and will.

Or it could be so simple as pulling an existing colony ship or dreadnought out of mothballs and retrofitting it with the technology needed for longer range travel.

It only took a few easily obtainable resources, 1 crew member, and a button press to fit the Normandy with Thanix Cannons, Silaris Armor, and Cyclonic Barrier Technology shielding. Yeah, I know, gameplay - but I still think you're trying to make this into a much bigger deal than it needs to be.

[Drone223]

Or it could be so simple as pulling an existing colony ship or dreadnought out of mothballs and retrofitting it with the technology needed for longer range travel.

It only took a few easily obtainable resources, 1 crew member, and a button press to fit the Normandy with Thanix Cannons, Silaris Armor, and Cyclonic Barrier Technology shielding. Yeah, I know, gameplay - but I still think you're trying to make this into a much bigger deal than it needs to be.

There are still a lot of problems with that, first you'll have to get enough ships (if they aren't already being used or scraped for the war effort) to carry a sustainable population. Then they'll have to recruit thousands of people to carry out the retrofits who aren't already working on the crucible, gather enough resources to carry out the retrofits and for carry out the trilogy and avoid infiltration by indoctrinated agents yet some how remain secret is still extremely far fetch.

 

Its already hard enough to try and keep the crucibles existence secret, this wouldn't be much easier either.

[Han Shot First]

Wormholes might not be needed.

 

According to the codex the Reapers were able to travel at about 30 light years per day. At that speed it would take a Reaper a little over 200 years to reach Andromeda from the Milky Way. There are plenty of dead Reapers laying around in ME3 for some of their tech to be reverse engineered. 

 

An ark ship could spend a couple centuries in transit with the crew in some sort of drone-monitored cryo sleep, sort of like the crew in the movie Interstellar. You could have the crew leave on their voyage during the events of Mass Effect 3 but not arrive in Andromeda until long after High EMS Destroy Shepard and most of his crew members have died of old age. The biggest issue would be drive discharge. 

[BabyPuncher]

Wormholes might not be needed.

 

According to the codex the Reapers were able to travel at about 30 light years per day. At that speed it would take a Reaper a little over 200 years to reach Andromeda from the Milky Way. There are plenty of dead Reapers laying around in ME3 for some of their tech to be reverse engineered. 

 

An ark ship could spend a couple centuries in transit with the crew in some sort of drone-monitored cryo sleep, sort of like the crew in the movie Interstellar. You could have the crew leave on their voyage during the events of Mass Effect 3 but not arrive in Andromeda until long after High EMS Destroy Shepard and most of his crew members have died of old age. The biggest issue would be drive discharge. 

 

And a source of power...

[7thGate]

Power should be fine, they have fusion reactors.  A modern aircraft carrier could easily carry enough uranium to do a 300 year trip with a much less efficient fission reactor, although they are only designed for a 50 year service life.  A fusion powered spaceship should be able to carry enough fuel to run for a very, very long time.

 

Actually, does anyone know what the fuel being expended during FTL travel actually gets used for?  There isn't any way a fusion reactor should need refueling that quickly.  If its rocket fuel for propulsion inside the lowered mass field that would make more sense, in which case fuel shouldn't be an issue if a different type of drive is chosen; an ion drive, for example, would be ideal for a very long range trip on minimal fuel.  For that matter, I'm pretty sure the way an ion drive works, you could tap the drive core's static discharge to get the electrons to negatively charge the matter you're shooting out the back of your ship for propulsion, killing two birds with one stone.

[Malanek]

Actually, does anyone know what the fuel being expended during FTL travel actually gets used for?  There isn't any way a fusion reactor should need refueling that quickly.  If its rocket fuel for propulsion inside the lowered mass field that would make more sense, in which case fuel shouldn't be an issue if a different type of drive is chosen; an ion drive, for example, would be ideal for a very long range trip on minimal fuel.  For that matter, I'm pretty sure the way an ion drive works, you could tap the drive core's static discharge to get the electrons to negatively charge the matter you're shooting out the back of your ship for propulsion, killing two birds with one stone.

As I understand it, the mass effect drive lowers the ships mass to near zero (which screws around with the effective speed of light). You still need a conventional drive to move.

[Drone223]

 

An ark ship could spend a couple centuries in transit with the crew in some sort of drone-monitored cryo sleep, sort of like the crew in the movie Interstellar. You could have the crew leave on their voyage during the events of Mass Effect 3 but not arrive in Andromeda until long after High EMS Destroy Shepard and most of his crew members have died of old age. The biggest issue would be drive discharge. 

There's still problem is that it relies on a reaper core which is hard to reverse engineer since they have difficulty understanding how they work and there's issue of indoctrination which speaks for itself. The reaper's were also never capable of intergalactic travel because if they were they would've done so long before the current cycle.

[BabyPuncher]

For that matter, I'm pretty sure the way an ion drive works, you could tap the drive core's static discharge to get the electrons to negatively charge the matter you're shooting out the back of your ship for propulsion, killing two birds with one stone.

 

Yeah...

 

It's not just negative charge, it's going to be positive charge as well, which makes the whole concept of having to discharge the drive core pretty shaky...

 

Effectively, you'd just be charging up a capacitor. So the better option would be discharging it and using the potential as a power source.

 

Can't say about the fuel, because I really don't have any idea how much physical space it would take up. And I really don't know what the power requirements of a spaceship would be compared to a carrier.

[7thGate]

I mean, in order for the core to have a static discharge problem, it has to be synthesizing electrons through a nuclear reaction side effect of operating the FTL drive somehow (or destroying/ejecting electrons from the drive field, same principles in reverse).  It if was just drawing in electrons from the rest of the ship, which is how normal static buildup works, you could fix it by grounding the core to the hull, and even potentially pick up power from the electron flow.  Given the description of the problem, I'm assuming it must be making electrons, so you have to put those somewhere before a large enough potential difference develops between your drive core and the rest of the ship and you get an arc, hence the need to dock with something big to dump the excess electrons and get the ship back to being electrically neutral.

 

However, ion drives work by bombarding xenon with electrons to make them negatively charged, then using an electric field to shoot the charged gas out the back of the ship.  It sounds like a perfect place to put all the charge buildup from the drive core, if the whole crew is in stasis you could even probably store pressurized xenon through the entire ship to slowly draw down as fuel.  The xenon you expel carries away the excess static build up, and the ion drive design allows for faster travel over very long distances than conventional rocketry.  Given that ion drives take years to accelerate to max speed, it wouldn't be that strange for no other ships to use a design like this either, since they're only really useful for very long term trips.

[Han Shot First]

There's still problem is that it relies on a reaper core which is hard to reverse engineer since they have difficulty understanding how they work and there's issue of indoctrination which speaks for itself. The reaper's were also never capable of intergalactic travel because if they were they would've done so long before the current cycle.

 

The Reapers might have visited Andromeda. In fact given that they can travel up to 30 light years per day and do not need either refueling or drive discharging according to the lore, reaching Andromeda was well within their capabilities. ME: Next could end up revealing that the Reapers had been annihilating civilizations there as well. 

 

Some reaper tech had already been reverse engineered in the series, so it being used for an ark ship would be nothing new. The Normandy SR2 was using weapons partly based on Reaper tech. IIRC wasn't the tantalus drive core in the SR2 derived from Reaper tech as well? Parts of the Reaper destroyed in ME2 were also repurposed for the Crucible.

[BabyPuncher]

I mean, in order for the core to have a static discharge problem, it has to be synthesizing electrons through a nuclear reaction side effect of operating the FTL drive somehow (or destroying/ejecting electrons from the drive field, same principles in reverse).  It if was just drawing in electrons from the rest of the ship, which is how normal static buildup works, you could fix it by grounding the core to the hull, and even potentially pick up power from the electron flow.  Given the description of the problem, I'm assuming it must be making electrons, so you have to put those somewhere before a large enough potential difference develops between your drive core and the rest of the ship and you get an arc, hence the need to dock with something big to dump the excess electrons and get the ship back to being electrically neutral.

 

However, ion drives work by bombarding xenon with electrons to make them negatively charged, then using an electric field to shoot the charged gas out the back of the ship.  It sounds like a perfect place to put all the charge buildup from the drive core, if the whole crew is in stasis you could even probably store pressurized xenon through the entire ship to slowly draw down as fuel.  The xenon you expel carries away the excess static build up, and the ion drive design allows for faster travel over very long distances than conventional rocketry.  Given that ion drives take years to accelerate to max speed, it wouldn't be that strange for no other ships to use a design like this either, since they're only really useful for very long term trips.

 

I don't think there's any processes that create electrons or other negative charge carrying particles that don't also create positively charged particles as well. Certainly nothing that happens in nuclear fusion.

 

Normal static buildup is the same thing. The positive charge is still there, it's simply separated from the negative charge.
 

[ElitePinecone]

The reaper's were also never capable of intergalactic travel because if they were they would've done so long before the current cycle.

No.

Capability and intention are different things.

The Reapers may have been able to reach Andromeda, that doesn't mean they would want to.

People have already raised the possibility that either the Leviathans' original instructions or the Starkid restricted the operations of the Reapers to the Milky Way. As robots following a broken AI for millions of years, they may have simply been uninterested in anything outside the mandate of the original mission in the Milky Way.

The fact is that neither you nor anyone knows whether the Reapers would actually want to harvest Andromeda, even though it seems that they had the ability to do so.

[Drone223]

The Reapers might have visited Andromeda. In fact given that they can travel up to 30 light years per day and do not need either refueling or drive discharging according to the lore, reaching Andromeda was well within their capabilities. ME: Next could end up revealing that the Reapers had been annihilating civilizations there as well. 
 
Some reaper tech had already been reverse engineered in the series, so it being used for an ark ship would be nothing new. The Normandy SR2 was using weapons partly based on Reaper tech. IIRC wasn't the tantalus drive core in the SR2 derived from Reaper tech as well? Parts of the Reaper destroyed in ME2 were also repurposed for the Crucible.

The tantalus drive is turian the first Normandy had one as well and the thanix canon is the exception not the norm. There have been many attempts to research reaper tech and in one way or another the people ended up indoctrinated, researching things such as reaper drive core will only end in the people being indoctrinated.  

No.
Capability and intention are different things.
The Reapers may have been able to reach Andromeda, that doesn't mean they would want to.
People have already raised the possibility that either the Leviathans' original instructions or the Starkid restricted the operations of the Reapers to the Milky Way. As robots following a broken AI for millions of years, they may have simply been uninterested in anything outside the mandate of the original mission in the Milky Way.
The fact is that neither you nor anyone knows whether the Reapers would actually want to harvest Andromeda, even though it seems that they had the ability to do so.

Except there is no evidence to support the fact the reaper's were capable of intergalactic travel and they had billions of years to develop it would've been a lot of time to develop such technology.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Personally I think the Reapers definitely went to Andromeda and harvest it as well. 

 

They have the means, since they have plenty of resources available to do such a thing. 

They have the capability, since they have overcome all problems that are involved with it. 

They have the desire, since they follow their mandate to preserve all life at any cost. 

[Tevinter Soldier]

All the concerns about andromeda can be solved by Bioware simply nutting up and picking an ending to the trilogy. 

Plenty of IP's have done it before and were better for it. Biowares only hurting itself by avoiding a hard world state.

 

they pick one, they can then easily do a curtain raiser explaining in the aftermath of the reaper war the galaxy rebuilt its self adapting reaper teach and expanding throughout the milky way. but as they did so, a new threat emerged which threated to destroy the milky way its self, not a race not something that ccan be fought with bombs and guns. i don't know something like dark energy starting to destroy entire clusters. the race was on to find a way to save the galaxy, but in the mean time millions of people became refugees.

 

then in 2...... a colony ship reached a previously uncharted region of the galaxy where they found an anomaly. study of this anomaly took decades before they scratched the surface of what they were dealing with a massive worm, 1000's of ships belonging to refugees, explorers and cults fled through it before any one race could secure the area, none were ever heard from again.

 

Then in 2...... a break through allowed the wormhole to be mapped and for the first time we learned where it lead. a new galaxy, a new hope, a new home and a why to survive................................... the ARK PROJECT.

 

see that's some semblance of a plot which took me 3 minutes to come up with, it makes sense, there's backstory, there's an explanation of why were meeting korgan in another galaxy. we understand why were going. etc ,etc. so why do we need a hard world state? because synthesis does not lead itself to storytelling that whole merge rubbish destroys the uniqueness of all the races and boringly gives everyone green eyes.

 

if this ark business pre end of the war. it just feels not only contrived, But it doesn't answer the question everyone wants answered in the aftermath of the trilogy................. what happened Next.

[Tevinter Soldier]

Except there is no evidence to support the fact the reaper's were capable of intergalactic travel and they had billions of years to develop it would've been a lot of time to develop such technology.

 

the reapers stayed out in "dark space, outside the milky way galaxy" what you think they could only get half way?

[Drone223]

the reapers stayed out in "dark space, outside the milky way galaxy" what you think they could only get half way?

They relied on the citadel to get to get to the galaxy and when that failed they used spent about 3 years in FTL to get to the galaxy that would suggest they weren't able to travel far outside the galaxy.

[Tevinter Soldier]

They relied on the citadel to get to get to the galaxy and when that failed they used spent about 3 years in FTL to get to the galaxy that would suggest they weren't able to travel far outside the galaxy.

 

3 years is meaningless to machines which have been culling civilisation's for millions of years. we have no idea how far out they were, lets look at what we know a reaper can travel 30 light years in a period of 24 hours.

 

assuming the reapers didn't stop on the way this would mean the reapers covered 32850 light years in 3 years. 

[Drone223]

3 years is meaningless to machines which have been culling civilisation's for millions of years. we have no idea how far out they were, lets look at what we know a reaper can travel 30 light years in a period of 24 hours.
 
assuming the reapers didn't stop on the way this would mean the reapers covered 32850 light years in 3 years.

As far as the lore goes there's no proof that they're capable of intergalactic travel, surely the catalyst would've brought it up that there carried out harvesting in other galaxies

[ZoliCs]

The reaper's were also never capable of intergalactic travel because if they were they would've done so long before the current cycle.

Try not to represent your fanfic as fact.

[Vazgen]

The Reapers are capable of intergalactic travel since the two obstacles - fuel and core discharge, don't matter to them.