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[Arcian]

Why? No seriously why would they be obligated to tell Shepard this? Shepard needs to focus on fighting the war, not dealing with contingencies.

Telling Shepard would actually make her job easier. Knowing there's a backup plan in case they lose would dramatically improve morale.

[ZoliCs]

Telling Shepard would actually make her job easier. Knowing there's a backup plan in case they lose would dramatically improve morale.

Why would it improve morale? I think it's the contrary, even if it doesn't demoralize them directly because a back up plan is logical they lose the urgency, because it's not "now or never" anymore.

 

Do you watch football? A few years ago a championship was decided in the last round, i'm not sure which teams anymore because I only read about it. If team A wins they are the champions, but if team B loses team A is champion whatever they do.

Team A played really well in the first half, then during the break they heared that team B is losing quite badly. After that they played **** because they knew they already got the championship.

[themikefest]

Shepard wanting to know about everything doesn't mean everyone will tell them everything. People keep secrets. Governments keep secrets.

Look how well that went for the asari, right?
  

There's your ark.

Maybe. Its just speculation just like the other stuff until Bioware confirms whatever about the game

[Sion1138]

Why would it improve morale? I think it's the contrary, even if it doesn't demoralize them directly because a back up plan is logical they lose the urgency, because it's not "now or never" anymore.

 

Do you watch football? A few years ago a championship was decided in the last round, i'm not sure which teams anymore because I only read about it. If team A wins they are the champions, but if team B loses team A is champion whatever they do.

Team A played really well in the first half, then during the break they heared that team B is losing quite badly. After that they played **** because they knew they already got the championship.

 

That's a bad analogy.

 

The larger problem, aside from Shepard not knowing about it, would be how they could have conscripted sufficient resources for the project while the Crucible was being built.

 

Remember how the mandate was to direct every possible relevant asset to its construction, including 'Everyone who could hold a hammer'.

[Chobbly]

Why would it improve morale? I think it's the contrary, even if it doesn't demoralize them directly because a back up plan is logical they lose the urgency, because it's not "now or never" anymore.

 

I suppose there is also the question "Why would they WANT to tell Shepherd?" He/she worked with Cerberus after all, and depending on the DLC, dropped an asteroid on a gate and blew up a whole star system. Some in the Alliance may have decided Shepherd, although effective, was too much of a loose cannon.

[ZoliCs]

That's a bad analogy.

It's not, I'm not saying Shepard would sit back and let the Reapers win after hearing about the Ark, but subconsciously it would ease him which could mean he doesn't give a 100%.

[Heimdall]

That's a bad analogy.

The larger problem, aside from Shepard not knowing about it, would be how they could have conscripted sufficient resources for the project while the Crucible was being built.

Remember how the mandate was to direct every possible relevant asset to its construction, including 'Everyone who could hold a hammer'.

Concievably, the Ark ship would be much smaller than a device the Citadel, and thus require less in the way of raw materials.

Of course, it could just be the matter of converting an existing Dreadnaught rather than building a new ship from scratch. Then there's the timescale. Some theories have this Ark project beginning after ME1 or even before. So it wouldn't be competing with the Crucible for resources until those final months.

[themikefest]

 Some theories have this Ark project beginning after ME1 or even before. 

What are those theories? Especially if the project was started before ME1

[MstrJedi Kyle]

Telling Shepard would actually make her job easier. Knowing there's a backup plan in case they lose would dramatically improve morale.

 

I disagree, knowing that there was a backup in case of failure might lead to some one not fighting as hard. If you fight because it's your only shot you're going to fight until your dying breath. If you fight knowing failure is an option you might sit down long before you're supposed to.

[Heimdall]

What are those theories? Especially if the project was started before ME1

Well, it's mostly my theory.

The idea is that the Ark project didn't get official funding until later. It started out as a secretive cabal of powerful individuals that found out about the Reaper threat up to a decade before ME1 in some fashion and decided to pool their resources and make allies to preserve their civilization outside the Reapers' reach.

It would only be after Sovereign's attack that the Council would become involved.

[7thGate]

I don't think there's any processes that create electrons or other negative charge carrying particles that don't also create positively charged particles as well. Certainly nothing that happens in nuclear fusion.

 

Normal static buildup is the same thing. The positive charge is still there, it's simply separated from the negative charge.
 

 

That is generally correct, but unless the ship as a whole is gaining or losing electrons somehow due to drive core operation, the static discharge problem could be fixed by simply grounding the drive core against the hull.  Since the eezo FTL stuff is all kind of space magic, we don't really know if its making electrons, destroying them or dumping them outside the FTL bubble somehow, but it can't be creating a normal static charge or this wouldn't be a problem.

 

I think you're right that normally, you don't get unpaired charge creation, but I don't know enough particle physics to know for sure.  That would suggest the drive core is somehow shedding electrons into space around the FTL bubble, which would work the same way except in reverse (discharging the core into the xenon would create positively charged gas that would be accelerated with the ion drive as propulsion).

[ElitePinecone]

Look how well that went for the asari, right?

 

Whether or not keeping secrets from Shepard is a good thing is irrelevant. 

 

The point is: the asari did, and they could do it again. There's tons of stuff going on in the Mass Effect universe during the time of Shepard's trilogy that we have absolutely no idea about, because nobody told Shepard. Including the two years when they were dead. People expecting him or her to know about every plan and strategy carried out by every government aren't being realistic. 

[themikefest]

Whether or not keeping secrets from Shepard is a good thing is irrelevant. 

 

The point is: the asari did, and they could do it again. There's tons of stuff going on in the Mass Effect universe during the time of Shepard's trilogy that we have absolutely no idea about, because nobody told Shepard. Including the two years when they were dead. People expecting him or her to know about every plan and strategy carried out by every government aren't being realistic. 

It is relevant.  When a galactic invasion happens that threatens all life, those secrets go out the window especially if they could help. 

 

They weren't keeping the secret from Shepard, they were keeping it secret from the whole galaxy. They made a law and broke it. They didn't want to lose their number one ranking. That's all. They didn't give a crap about the other species. They only revealed it only after the reapers were knocking on their backdoor.

[ElitePinecone]

It is relevant.  When a galactic invasion happens that threatens all life, those secrets go out the window especially if they could help. 

 

They weren't keeping the secret from Shepard, they were keeping it secret from the whole galaxy. They made a law and broke it. They didn't want to lose their number one ranking. That's all. They didn't give a crap about the other species. They only revealed it only after the reapers were knocking on their backdoor.

 

I mean, it's not relevant to the question of whether they'd also keep an ark secret. The asari clearly didn't think it was a good thing to tell the Commander about the artefact until right up to when their homeworld was threatened. 

 

We've seen that they did keep one secret from Shepard (and one that could've changed the course of the war if they'd told Shep sooner), why would that be the only thing that they're hiding? 

 

Our judgement of the asari's actions as players, in hindsight, is totally irrelevant to the thinking of the asari government in the universe. Whether or not "we" think it's a good thing has nothing to do with whether they'd tell Shepard their secrets.

[7thGate]

If you tell anyone, the Reapers will learn about it if they indoctrinate that person.  Why would you let anyone know about the project?  The best chance of success is for the Reapers to not know they would need to follow you.

[dogstar12]

The Citadel is a big relay that leads to dark space who says that it can't lead to somewhere else?

[Lord Snow]

The Citadel is a big relay that leads to dark space who says that it can't lead to somewhere else?

It could, but it would need a counterpart structure on the other side. You need 2 relays in order to create the mass free corridor in space.

[themikefest]

I mean, it's not relevant to the question of whether they'd also keep an ark secret. The asari clearly didn't think it was a good thing to tell the Commander about the artefact until right up to when their homeworld was threatened.

They clearly didn't care about the other species
 

We've seen that they did keep one secret from Shepard (and one that could've changed the course of the war if they'd told Shep sooner), why would that be the only thing that they're hiding?

I'm sure they have other secrets we don't know about. The one about the artifact is a biggy.
 

Our judgement of the asari's actions as players, in hindsight, is totally irrelevant to the thinking of the asari government in the universe. Whether or not "we" think it's a good thing has nothing to do with whether they'd tell him their secrets.

It does. It shows that the asari can't be trusted. 

 

As far as the ark thing or whatever, I'm sure if its true, not only the asari would know about it, but other species would know about it as well. Should they tell Shepard? No need. I wouldn't be surprised if Shepard has an idea that someone may try to leave the galaxy to avoid the reapers, but wouldn't give it much thought since she's more worried about stopping them

[dogstar12]

It could, but it would need a counterpart structure on the other side. You need 2 relays in order to create the mass free corridor in space.

 

The Reapers could have built one Who know if the milky way is the only galaxy they harvested

[N7Jamaican]

That would be a cool plot.  We could find out that the Milky Way wasn't the only galaxy the Reapers harvest, and that what we faced back in the MW was a small force compared to what we will encounter in Andromeda.  

[The Elder King]

That would be a cool plot.  We could find out that the Milky Way wasn't the only galaxy the Reapers harvest, and that what we faced back in the MW was a small force compared to what we will encounter in Andromeda.

Please no. I think We Had enough games about the Reapers.
Also, Having them as a much larger force it'll only means a even more ridicolous Way to beat them.

[Sion1138]

...Some theories have this Ark project beginning after ME1 or even before. So it wouldn't be competing with the Crucible for resources until those final months.

 

It doesn't seem credible that the project could have been kept completely secret for 2 years. From Shepard, the broker / T'Soni and especially from Cerberus.

[N7Jamaican]

It doesn't seem credible that the project could have been kept completely secret for 2 years. From Shepard, the broker / T'Soni and especially from Cerberus.

Liara didn't know squat lol

[Torgette]

Why would it improve morale? I think it's the contrary, even if it doesn't demoralize them directly because a back up plan is logical they lose the urgency, because it's not "now or never" anymore.

 

Do you watch football? A few years ago a championship was decided in the last round, i'm not sure which teams anymore because I only read about it. If team A wins they are the champions, but if team B loses team A is champion whatever they do.

Team A played really well in the first half, then during the break they heared that team B is losing quite badly. After that they played **** because they knew they already got the championship.

 

Captain goes down with the ship as the saying goes, that said even if Shepard was told about it it doesn't stop the cycle and you're trading a gamble for self-preservation vs. saving trillions of lives.

[Heimdall]

It doesn't seem credible that the project could have been kept completely secret for 2 years. From Shepard, the broker / T'Soni and especially from Cerberus.

Not hard to credit at all. Those organizations aren't omniscient, it is possible to for the capable to keep things hidden from them with difficulty.

Of course, one of my ideas is they had help from the old Shadowbroker. In exchange for a promised seat and salvation from Reaper annihilation, he buried all data relating to the project so deep even Liara hasn't stumbled upon it in her files during her stint as Broker yet.