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[Joseph Warrick]

Allopatric speciation. Small isolated groups are the origin of new species.

 

Before that happens: there are no relays to Andromeda so I suppose the voyage will take generations to complete. The problems to communicate and maintain contact are clear. Any instructions from this galaxy are useless if they arrive two generations later. I doubt the people who were born aboard will keep a close emotional link to our galaxy. They'll be strangers to us.

 

Even worse with people born in the other galaxy. Their interests will no longer be our interests. What do they care if some people have problems in another galaxy? And why do those people try to control the way they do things?

 

There needs to be a method to maintain two things as they are now:

 

- The genetic makeup of the species. So they don't diverge too much and become too hard to relate to and interact with. But it's impossible to fill up planets and planets that way unless new members of the species are bred specifically with that purpose in mind.

 

- The emotional link to the old home. This has never been achieved. Americans don't miss Europe. The longing for home should have to be implanted onto their minds somehow.

 

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I didn't come up with any of this. It's the main theme of Hugo winner novel Cyteen by CJ Cherryh. It's about space colonization and the human diaspora.

[Sleeper_Tyrant]

Yes, but this is assuming that they are in a generation ship, not on a Cryogenic one, or jumped through a eormhole or anything. We don't know how they got to Andromeda.

[ElitePinecone]

It's interesting speculation about the long-term prospects of colonisation in Andromeda, but not really relevant for something that's suspected to take place a few centuries at most after ME3. 

 

I also don't really see why it matters if the colonists don't regard the Milky Way as their home, because.. it won't be 

[N7Jamaican]

We do not know HOW we are getting to the new galaxy.  Wormhole (like in ST:DS9), but unlike DS9 from quadrant to quadrant, wormhole goes from A galaxy to B galaxy.  Or we construct a massive mass relay with the capability to send us very quickly to another galaxy (like Andromeda) -- more than likely a one way trip with that theory. i don't know. 

 

I assume though, there would be communication between the home galaxy and new galaxy. 

[wright1978]

Yes, but this is assuming that they are in a generation ship, not on a Cryogenic one, or jumped through a eormhole or anything. We don't know how they got to Andromeda.

Yeah I'd expect it to be a cryogenic ship if they go the long haul route.

[InterrogationBear]

- The genetic makeup of the species. So they don't diverge too much and become too hard to relate to and interact with.

No problem at all. Humans lived separated from each other for thousands of years. That's how the different human races developed. 

[Joseph Warrick]

 

I also don't really see why it matters if the colonists don't regard the Milky Way as their home, because.. it won't be 

 

Because they will develop different interests. We're supposedly sending them there to do what we want them to do. Them seeing us as strangers or even dictators is bad for us. That's what the second generation will think of us unless we avoid it somehow.

 

No problem at all. Humans lived separated from each other for thousands of years. That's how the different human races developed.

That isn't really accurate, humans are a continuum both geographically and racially. There are very few exceptions of human groups that have remained isolated from all others.

 

A population sent to outer space with no instant travel represents a completely new experience for the human race that shouldn't be shrugged off with something like "oh, they used mass effect-powered high speed rockets". It should have an effect.

[Torgette]

Ideology could change as well, you could see slavery come back as well as untamed AI creation, over time new wars between species even.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No, they wouldn't. They would still be the same species. 

 

An asari that lives in Andromeda will still be an asari, a krogan will still be a krogan, a quarian still a quarian, a human still a human, etc. 

[Nitrocuban]

Well, evolution is just a theory.

[Big I]

Prothean or Collector stasis pod technology and a blue box AI like EDI to monitor the ship mean any ark ship doesn't have to be a generation ship. Even if it did, the time it takes to get to Andromeda from the Milky Way doesn't seem long enough for existing species to evolve into new ones.

[Kabooooom]

No, they wouldn't. They would still be the same species.

An asari that lives in Andromeda will still be an asari, a krogan will still be a krogan, a quarian still a quarian, a human still a human, etc.

Lol, "kinds" after their "kinds", eh?

Seeing as how the Mass Effect series fully embraces evolution, the OP is correct - eventually, the isolated populations WOULD become new species.

But what he was mistaken on was the speed. Even with a generation ship, it wouldn't be long enough at the FTL speeds listed in the series. At a sublight velocity, potentially. The generation ship would only have a single generation of Asari, probably.

Also, one has to take into account other aspects of a species too like the rate of reproduction, lifespan, and whether a species is r or k selected. Even then a timeframe can only really be approximated as relatively slow or fast compared to another species.

The details are irrelevant. The fact is, that if enough time had passed (and I'm talking like far future), every species that made it to Andromeda would eventually become genetically incompatible with the ones from the Milky Way with which they share common descent.

[Heimdall]

Lol, "kinds" after their "kinds", eh?

Seeing as how the Mass Effect series fully embraces evolution, the OP is correct - eventually, the isolated populations WOULD become new species.

But what he was mistaken on was the speed. Even with a generation ship, it wouldn't be long enough at the FTL speeds listed in the series. At a sublight velocity, potentially. The generation ship would only have a single generation of Asari, probably.

Also, one has to take into account other aspects of a species too like the rate of reproduction, lifespan, and whether a species is r or k selected. Even then a timeframe can only really be approximated as relatively slow or fast compared to another species.

The details are irrelevant. The fact is, that if enough time had passed (and I'm talking like far future), every species that made it to Andromeda would eventually become genetically incompatible with the ones from the Milky Way with which they share common descent.

Exacly.

Eventually, two isolated populations of the same species will becomes separate biologically incompatible species, but the time scale for such a thing to happen is far far beyond what we're talking about for the Ark passengers.

[Oldren Shepard]

Allopatric speciation. Small isolated groups are the origin of new species.

 

Before that happens: there are no relays to Andromeda so I suppose the voyage will take generations to complete. The problems to communicate and maintain contact are clear. Any instructions from this galaxy are useless if they arrive two generations later. I doubt the people who were born aboard will keep a close emotional link to our galaxy. They'll be strangers to us.

 

Even worse with people born in the other galaxy. Their interests will no longer be our interests. What do they care if some people have problems in another galaxy? And why do those people try to control the way they do things?

 

There needs to be a method to maintain two things as they are now:

 

- The genetic makeup of the species. So they don't diverge too much and become too hard to relate to and interact with. But it's impossible to fill up planets and planets that way unless new members of the species are bred specifically with that purpose in mind.

 

- The emotional link to the old home. This has never been achieved. Americans don't miss Europe. The longing for home should have to be implanted onto their minds somehow.

 

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I didn't come up with any of this. It's the main theme of Hugo winner novel Cyteen by CJ Cherryh. It's about space colonization and the human diaspora.

Maybe if it is true about the leaks, they're going to  use wormholes.

[Oldren Shepard]

We do not know HOW we are getting to the new galaxy.  Wormhole (like in ST:DS9), but unlike DS9 from quadrant to quadrant, wormhole goes from A galaxy to B galaxy.  Or we construct a massive mass relay with the capability to send us very quickly to another galaxy (like Andromeda) -- more than likely a one way trip with that theory. i don't know. 

 

I assume though, there would be communication between the home galaxy and new galaxy. 

If they building a mass relay here They will need to build the endpoint in the other galaxy, assuming that the leaks are true.

[Han Shot First]

Well, evolution is just a theory.

 

I hope this was a troll and not a serious post.

[Anacronian Stryx]

So wars of extermination against the indigenous races of the Andromeda galaxy.. hmm sounds familiar.

[Anacronian Stryx]

I hope this was a troll and not a serious post.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than "just a theory." It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact.

[Malanek]

One of the quickest things to change when living on different planets is the effects of a different level of gravity. Although not a genetic change (well not for several generations), it would have a significant environmental change on muscles and growth quite quickly. This hasn't really ever been addressed in Mass Effect so I doubt much slower and more subtle things will be looked at.

[Belgrade_Phantom]

I hope this was a troll and not a serious post.

and it is just a hollow theorry , human DNA is composed from "informations" of binary codes which could not arise by itself , spontanously , also the life can not arise from the dead matter.

Also even the founder of that theory (Charles Darwin) was getting sceptical about his theorry with a time.

And also some scientists have calculated the odds , the possibility that man evolved from ameba , monkey (how darwinists claims) ......spontanously and without any influence from outside and that number is 0, and 30 pages of 0's and then 1 , some ridicilously and negligible small number, which means that odds for something like that are practically equal to zero.

[Farangbaa]

Well, evolution is just a theory.

So is gravity.

(God I hope your trolling)

[Farangbaa]

and it is just a hollow theorry , human DNA is composed from "informations" of binary codes which could not arise by itself , spontanously , also the life can not arise from the dead matter.

Also even the founder of that theory (Charles Darwin) was getting sceptical about his theorry with a time.

And also some scientists have calculated the odds , the possibility that man evolved from ameba , monkey (how darwinists claims) ......spontanously and without any influence from outside and that number is 0, and 30 pages of 0's and then 1 , some ridicilously and negligible small number, which means that odds for something like that are practically equal to zero.

Holy *bleep bleep bleep*. The hell they teach you over there in Serbia?

[Belgrade_Phantom]

well If U ask darwinists does it possible that ameba turns into a man in 200 years they will say It's not possible , but If u ask me does it the same possible in 100,000 years , they will say it's possible.............but they do not understand that time des not matter then simply it does not exist the mechanism for something like that.
 

[Farangbaa]

well If U ask darwinists does it possible that ameba turns into a man in 200 years they will say It's not possible , but If u ask me does it the same possible in 100,000 years , they will say it's possible.............but they do not understand that time des not matter then simply it does not exist the mechanism for something like that.

Hahahahahahahahaha.

100,000 years? Not a single scientist in the world will tell you that.

[Belgrade_Phantom]

i just randomly said some number , it does not matter , it might be a 100,000,000 of years or billion of years..............simply it does not exist the mechanism for something like that.