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[Revan Reborn]

Folks, what I've been seeing on here the past couple of days due to this questionable survey is quite disturbing. There is no evidence. No credibility. Nothing anywhere to believe that any of this survey has credence and should even be considered. The fact that it has generated this much conversation is more of a consequence of what people "want" the next Mass Effect to be rather than what it likely "is." I'll just provide a few reasons why you should be highly skeptical about what this survey is suggesting.

 

Why would EA provide a survey about a brand new game to non-gamers? I don't know if you receive them, but I receive EA surveys all the time via email. It's always about games and they always ask about my habits, preferences, etc. Mass Effect is a video game franchise. Does it make even remote sense that it would be sent to those who take surveys for some cash, especially if they aren't even the right demographic.

 

The contents of the survey aren't a shock and any BSNer could have wrote it. Ark theory is nothing new. Like IT, it's entirely fan fabricated and BioWare has never given credence to any theories about Mass Effect. The entire premise of the survey is based off this fan theory, which makes it incredibly questionable to start. We also have new races such as "khet" (sounds similar to geth) and an ancient species known as the "remnants" (reapers 2.0) with another quest for the "hero" to save humanity, again? Wait. Didn't we already do all of this in the Shepard trilogy?

 

Not to mention, clever renaming of features such as "Horde Mode," which is the name of the same game type in Gears of War that ME3 MP largely imitated. Copying/pasting features from DAI into this survey to make the games have more similarities. Then the unlikely implementation of seamless space to planet to landing with the Mako without load screens. From all the Frostbite 3 games I've ever played, I don't see how that's remotely possible. Notice a lack of any mention of new improvements to combat and highlighting a feature that has been in ME since the second game, interrupts.

 

It's also worth noting that BioWare has indicated that it's very likely we will see similar faces from the Shepard trilogy. Whether that is Liara, Wrex, Grunt, etc., the idea of this Ark leaving before the ending of ME3 even makes less sense based on BioWare's statements. The survey also does not even mention the fact that the new protagonist is an N7 operative who will likely only be human. Look at all the footage and screenshots released of Mass Effect. The main character is clad in N7 armor (a human only special ops group) and we have a brand new Mako, which is an Alliance Navy vessel. An "explorer" is vastly different from a soldier. Why would the Alliance Navy send an N7 Operative to another galaxy when his/her duty is defend Earth? There are just too many contradictions here.

 

The ending of ME3 does not support this rumor. I'm not even referring to Destroy/Synthesis/Control/Refuse. I'm referring to the actual ending of the game with the grandfather telling his grandson about "the Shepard." It is done in almost a fairy tale fashion in which the grandfather admits that all the details may not be accurate. This suggests that this conversation could be taking place hundreds of years after the events of ME3. Notice how the grandson wants the grandfather to tell another story and then the game cuts off? I would not be surprised if BioWare was alluding to the next Mass Effect at the end of ME3 as it's likely they already knew the direction the series would go afterwards.

 

In conclusion, we won't know what is going on until BioWare reveals the next Mass Effect at E3. It's fine to fantasize about rumors and theories all you like, but it doesn't make them anymore true. Until BioWare states we are jumping galaxies and essentially doing a reboot of the franchise, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they aren't going to render the entire point of the Shepard trilogy null and void. In case you didn't know, Mass Effect was BioWare's first game to make decisions impact future installments. Even Dragon Age has followed suit with the DAK. I doubt the next Mass Effect will change that path.

[Steppenwolf]

Umm, BioWare did this exact same thing with Inquisition. A survey for non-gamers to get general market feedback. And that survey leaked very early as well. But the kicker is that BioWare lied and said it wasn't real or accurate but everything in it was spot on. Listening to what BioWare says and hearing the truth are two separate things. Waiting for them is just waiting for PR spin and mistruths.

[The Arbiter]

Folks, what I've been seeing on here the past couple of days due to this questionable survey is quite disturbing. There is no evidence. No credibility. Nothing anywhere to believe that any of this survey has credence and should even be considered. The fact that it has generated this much conversation is more of a consequence of what people "want" the next Mass Effect to be rather than what it likely "is." I'll just provide a few reasons why you should be highly questionable about what this survey is suggesting.

 

Why would EA provide a survey about a brand new game to non-gamers? I don't know if you receive them, but I receive EA surveys all the time via email. It's always about games and they always ask about my habits, preferences, etc. Mass Effect is a video game franchise. Does it make even remote sense that it would be sent to those who take surveys for some cash, especially if they aren't even the right demographic.

 

The contents of the survey aren't a shock and any BSNer could have wrote it. Ark theory is nothing new. Like IT, it's entirely fan fabricated and BioWare has never given credence to any theories about Mass Effect. The entire premise of the survey is based off this fan theory, which makes it incredibly questionable to start. We also have new races such as "khet" (sounds similar to geth) and an ancient species known as the "remnants" (reapers 2.0) with another quest for the "hero" to save humanity, again? Wait. Didn't we already do all of this in the Shepard trilogy?

 

Not to mention, clever renaming of features such as "Horde Mode," which is the name of the same game type in Gears of War that ME3 MP largely imitated. Copying/pasting features from DAI into this survey to make the games have more similarities. Then the unlikely implementation of seamless space to planet to landing with the Mako without load screens. From all the Frostbite 3 games I've ever played, I don't see how that's remotely possible. Notice a lack of any mention of new improvements to combat and highlighting a feature that has been in ME since the second game, interrupts.

 

It's also worth noting that BioWare has indicated that it's very likely we will see similar faces from the Shepard trilogy. Whether that is Liara, Wrex, Grunt, etc., the idea of this Ark leaving before the ending of ME3 even makes less sense based on BioWare's statements. The survey also does not even mention the fact that the new protagonist is an N7 operative who will likely only be human. Look at all the footage and screenshots released of Mass Effect. The main character is clad in N7 armor (a human only special ops group) and we have a brand new Mako, which is an Alliance Navy vessel. An "explorer" is vastly different from a soldier. Why would the Alliance Navy send an N7 Operative to another galaxy when his/her duty is defend Earth? There are just too many contradictions here.

 

The ending of ME3 does not support this rumor. I'm not even referring to Destroy/Synthesis/Control/Refuse. I'm referring to the actual ending of the game with the grandfather telling his grandson about "the Shepard." It is done in almost a fairy tale fashion in which the grandfather admits that all the details may not be accurate. This suggests that this conversation could be taking place hundreds of years after the events of ME3. Notice how the grandson wants the grandfather to tell another story and then the game cuts off? I would not be surprised if BioWare was alluding to the next Mass Effect at the end of ME3 as it's likely they already knew the direction the series would go afterwards.

 

In conclusion, we won't know what is going on until BioWare reveals the next Mass Effect at E3. It's fine to fantasize about rumors and theories all you like, but it doesn't make them anymore true. Until BioWare states we are jumping galaxies and essentially doing a reboot of the franchise, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they aren't going to render the entire point of the Shepard trilogy null and void. In case you didn't know, Mass Effect was BioWare's first game to make decisions impact future installments. Even Dragon Age has followed suit with the DAK. I doubt the next Mass Effect will change that path.

But if everything is true... and they still decide for a sequel making Milkyway vague or completely abandoned... call me a cry baby...

 

[MrFob]

Well OP, what would you like to talk about?

[Soultaker08]

I like this post, what i dont like is how this "leak" is barely questioned and already accepted as truth by a wide audience.

E3 is best bet when it comes to the next ME, not some shady reddit post.

[Revan Reborn]

Umm, BioWare did this exact same thing with Inquisition. A survey for non-gamers to get general market feedback. And that survey leaked very early as well. But the kicker is that BioWare lied and said it wasn't real or accurate but everything in it was spot on. Listening to what BioWare says and hearing the truth are two separate things. Waiting for them is just waiting for PR spin and mistruths.

Even if they did, that doesn't somehow invalidate how ridiculous this survey is. Not to mention, if this did happen with DAI (I can only go by your word), it merely proves my point that a BSNer could have fabricated this entire story for you to eat it right up. My point is would you rather believe some anonymous person over the internet about some "survey" they claimed to have taken? Or, would you rather actually see the real product when BioWare reveals it? BioWare obviously has to be careful with what they say, but nothing they have stated so far would suggest this kind of departure for Mass Effect.

 

Well OP, what would you like to talk about?

Perhaps see how flimsy and unrealistic the survey actually is? I don't mind speculating about what could happen in the next Mass Effect (we've been doing that for three years). However, I don't see how it's nearly productive for discussion when people are taking things at face value that could be entirely wrong. I just want people to recognize the likelihood that is probably an elaborate troll and take it with a grain of salt. Instead, people are believing it to be the "truth" and the "only way" for Mass Effect to move forward.

[themikefest]

As I've posted a few times , until Bioware says whatever from their own mouth about the next game, I won't worry about anything that is said or posted

[Soultaker08]

Also i dont trust neogaf # hidesaway#

[Revan Reborn]

I like this post, i dont like how this "leak" is barely questioned and already accepted as truth by a wide audience.

E3 is best bet when it comes to the next ME, not some shady reddit post.

I'm not even sure how "wide" the audience is. I've seen the same handful of BSNers pushing the legitimacy of this rumor stating "influential NeoGAF posters are saying its true" or "industry insiders are confirming this" without providing any links, sources, etc. As always, a small, vocal minority is reinforcing something they want to be true and then viciously attacking anyone who thinks it's fake. Lets best realistic here. There are elaborate trolls of highly anticipated games all of the time. Look at how many surfaced about Fallout 4 over the years, and anyone who follows BGS knows how secretive they are about new games. The same is the case with Rockstar and GTA. I honestly wouldn't put this past anyone just as a way to get people to buy into something with little truth or actual value.

[RoboticWater]

You're arguments aren't unreasonable and yes, it's false until confirmed. However, there's a lot going for it, so I see no reason why we can't discuss them like they're true. The ME forums haven't been this active in a long while and I've seen more than a fair share of pleasant discourse.

[MrFob]

Perhaps see how flimsy and unrealistic the survey actually is? I don't mind speculating about what could happen in the next Mass Effect (we've been doing that for three years). However, I don't see how it's nearly productive for discussion when people are taking things at face value that could be entirely wrong. I just want people to recognize the likelihood that is probably an elaborate troll and take it with a grain of salt. Instead, people are believing it to be the "truth" and the "only way" for Mass Effect to move forward.

Of course I am not taking it as the truth. I haven't anyone seen here who does not acknowledge that it's a rumor, nothing more.

Who cares? It's fun to theorize. Granted, there are currently 4 threads about it where one or two might be enough (and ironically, now, with yours, it's 5 ).

 

No harm in speculating and theorizing. And I am also not quite sure what you mean by "productivity". Do we have a quota to meet on here?

[Revan Reborn]

You're arguments aren't unreasonable and yes, it's false until confirmed. However, there's a lot going for it, so I see no reason why we can't discuss them like they're true. The ME forums haven't been this active in a long while and I've seen more than a fair share of pleasant discourse.

How is there "a lot going for it"? I could have fabricated that "survey" on reddit myself. I could make one up right now that's just as compelling and yet states the entire opposite of the Ark theory. I don't mind discussion, but this is hardly something that needs four or more threads, in my opinion.

 

Of course I am not taking it as the truth. I haven't anyone seen here who does not acknowledge that it's a rumor, nothing more.

Who cares? It's fun to theorize. Granted, there are currently 4 threads about it where one or two might be enough (and ironically, now, with yours, it's 5 ).

 

No harm in speculating and theorizing. And I am also not quite sure what you mean by "productivity". Do we have a quota to meet on here?

There have been quite a few from the posts I have read believing it. Regardless, this thread is more so here to recognize that it is not true until BioWare says otherwise. The other threads are just "andromeda this" and "ark theory" that. I just believe there needs to be a balance to what could be perceived as many believing these rumors.

[Nitrocuban]

Smells like b***hurt in here. And after E3 it will only get worse.

Maybe that leak was good to prepare nsn for things to come.

[dreamgazer]

Smells like b***hurt in here.

1) Butthurt has a smell?

2) B***hurt?

[Dobby]

[timebean]

I admit, I was a bit shocked at how quickly the threads about Andromeda versus Milky Way popped up.  We are like a bunch of starving jackals.  But it does show that folks are just excited about the new game, so all is well.

 

What I would love to see is a really good thread that is a place for folks to speculate on what they THINK will be in the new game based on what we actually KNOW.  Ie, someone who is really keeping up with things and has a good theory could start it off by providing the key parameters (ie, what is confirmed) and then outlining what they think will happen and let other folks do the same.

 

Anybody out there got enough good stuff to do that? 

 

I am not a fan of contention over something that may not even be real...seems a waste of energy.  But folks are excited and need an outlet.  Hence my drifting from the DA forums over here.  MEN is something I am soooooo looking forward to now that DAI has come and gone! And I'll bet other folks are doing the same.  So, why don't some of you old-schoolers lay it all out for us newbies and provide a cool topic we can all sink our jackal teeth into! Ie, what are the KNOWNS, what are the prominent THEORIES, and where does that leave us? 

 

EDITED - cause I sounded like a moron.  I know there is KNOWN features thread,  What I am advocating is an "Informed Fan Speculation" thread, moderated by someone who can call shenanigans when needed...

[SilJeff]

As I've posted a few times , until Bioware says whatever from their own mouth about the next game, I won't worry about anything that is said or posted

 

This, but I also enjoy watching some BSNers overreact to what is said or posted

[Revan Reborn]

I admit, I was a bit shocked at how quickly the threads about Andromeda versus Milky Way popped up.  We are like a bunch of starving jackals.  But it does show that folks are just excited about the new game, so all is well.

 

What I would love to see is a really good thread that is a place for folks to speculate on what they THINK will be in the new game based on what we actually KNOW.  Ie, someone who is really keeping up with things and has a good theory could start it off by providing the key parameters (ie, what is confirmed) and then outlining what they think will happen and let other folks do the same.

 

Anybody out there got enough good stuff to do that? 

 

I am not a fan of contention over something that may not even be real...seems a waste of energy.  But folks are excited and need an outlet.  Hence my drifting from the DA forums over here.  MEN is something I am soooooo looking forward to now that DAI has come and gone! And I'll bet other folks are doing the same.  So, why don't some of you old-schoolers lay it all out for us newbies and provide a cool topic we can all sink our jackal teeth into! Ie, what are the KNOWNS, what are the prominent THEORIES, and where does that leave us? 

 

EDITED - cause I sounded like a moron.  I know there is KNOWN features thread,  What I am advocating is an "Informed Fan Speculation" thread, moderated by someone who can call shenanigans when needed...

There were quite a few threads that actually did discuss known features and the like as you pointed out. I even made a thread, myself, that outlined the various screenshots, interviews, concept art, and footage we have thus far. The problem is that what we know about the next Mass Effect is so small that it's difficult to build those parameters for a healthy discussion. This leads to desperation and clinging on to rumors and surveys even if they are substantially flawed in many respects.

 

Honestly, E3 can't get here soon enough. Once we actually have true substance and hopefully gameplay, truly productive conversations can begin and we can actually provide BioWare with feedback of what we think. Until then, we'll just have to wait out the storm and hope the radical BSNers on the BioWare forums don't declare martial law.

[The Elder King]

I Honestly don't care if the leak is True or not. I just have fun discussing if With Other people. I don't see any harm in It.
About the leak, I'm not sure if it's either true or false, so I'll just say this. In the last years Numerous leaks about Bioware's games were shown. While one Could expect that they (or EA) would've get better at avoiding them, so far they've shown no inprovements. So I would advise Against believing the leak is surely false (as we'll as the opposite).

[Revan Reborn]

I Honestly don't care if the leak is True or not. I just have fun discussing if With Other people. I don't see any harm in It.
About the leak, I'm not sure if it's either true or false, so I'll just say this. In the last years Numerous leaks about Bioware's games were shown. While one Could expect that they (or EA) would've get better at avoiding them, so far they've shown no inprovements. So I would advise Against believing the leak is surely false (as we'll as the opposite).

I'm not suggesting actual leaks aren't possible. On the contrary, they happen all the time. At the same time, fans will create "leaks" in order to spread rumors and misinformation. It happens with virtually every highly-anticipated title that is in development for years without any information. The main reason I question this "leak" is because it contradicts much of what BioWare has already stated. Unless they are just lying to the public, which could be true, this survey has little backing to support it. I just see it as being a shame if once the game is shown at E3 all this Andromeda and Ark theory nonsense turns out to not be true. It would have been a waste of energy talking about it on BSN and of course the people that approved of the rumor will be angry that the next Mass Effect is different.

[The Elder King]

I'm not suggesting actual leaks aren't possible. On the contrary, they happen all the time. At the same time, fans will create "leaks" in order to spread rumors and misinformation. It happens with virtually every highly-anticipated title that is in development for years without any information. The main reason I question this "leak" is because it contradicts much of what BioWare has already stated. Unless they are just lying to the public, which could be true, this survey has little backing to support it. I just see it as being a shame if once the game is shown at E3 all this Andromeda and Ark theory nonsense turns out to not be true. It would have been a waste of energy talking about it on BSN and of course the people that approved of the rumor will be angry that the next Mass Effect is different.

I don't see it as waste. Even if just speculation it can start interesting discussions.
About people being angry if the leak turns out To be false, I'd feel Sorry for them, but on the other hand I don't see Why One would fully believe Something that isn't confirmed, up To the point of building expectations on it.

[Grieving Natashina]

You know I'm just as skeptical as you are, Revan.  I also question much of the details behind this "leak."  However, the only part that I think is true is Andromeda and a new galaxy.  The devs have been hinting at this for quite some time on twitter and dropped a couple of hints during the convention season last year.  Also, a dev did come onto the NeoGAF forum yesterday to explain how a ship could cross galaxies.  So while I agree that this leak might not be real, or could be real as of this writing and be completely different later, I think that's something that we should bare in mind.

 

If anything, I think that's why this "leak" spread as fast it did.  Some of what the person wrote sounded not only plausible, but matched what the devs had been talking about (the Mako, Andromeda, krogan being involved in some fashion.)  Also, after reading the original leak on reddit, a lot of folks have questioned the authenticity of the survey itself.  When asked about it, the person responded like this:

 

https://www.reddit.c...vey_about_mass/

 

And this is the opposite side of the equation.

I tried to go and find this survey again (you have to go through so many questions and filters it's hard to get back again) and then I thought...

Here's the deal: You go through one site. To get to another site. To get to another site. To take a survey.

If the top of the pyramid makes something up then it trickles down, and down, and down to me.

Then everybody makes money and I'm the mark on the bottom.

Believe me I've thought of this.

But I've been sitting on it for a few weeks so I thought I'd go ahead and throw it out there.

 

...

However! (of course)

You click your age wrong, your sex, your ethnicity, you're gone.

Don't have a child?

Gone.

 

Don't play online games?

Cooked.

If anyone's ever taken one of these they know.

(check /r/beermoney)

 

So why would they suck me into a survey where the questions were as clumsy as

"What are your thoughts on GTA 6?"

GTA 6 is years away.

 

"What are your thoughts on Assassin's Creed 6?"

 

When was the last time that last digit was a number?

Madden 16.

NBA 2k16

 

There was a process to get my opinion and it was about future games that didn't yet exist.

Such as Mass Effect 4!

 

 

That's what the poster did by his own admission to get to this "survey."  Does that look like a legitimate process to anyone else?  My husband does beta testing from time to time, for many things from MMOs and other games, to the latest Windows OS, to new Cisco router tools.  I showed him that and he started laughing.

[Farangbaa]

Umm, BioWare did this exact same thing with Inquisition. A survey for non-gamers to get general market feedback. And that survey leaked very early as well. But the kicker is that BioWare lied and said it wasn't real or accurate but everything in it was spot on. Listening to what BioWare says and hearing the truth are two separate things. Waiting for them is just waiting for PR spin and mistruths.

Proof of this earlier non gamer survey. I call bollocks.

To get market feedback they asked people who aren't in the market what's what.

Seriously, some of you guys and gals only deserve gif responses:

[timebean]

There were quite a few threads that actually did discuss known features and the like as you pointed out. I even made a thread, myself, that outlined the various screenshots, interviews, concept art, and footage we have thus far. The problem is that what we know about the next Mass Effect is so small that it's difficult to build those parameters for a healthy discussion. This leads to desperation and clinging on to rumors and surveys even if they are substantially flawed in many respects.

 

Honestly, E3 can't get here soon enough. Once we actually have true substance and hopefully gameplay, truly productive conversations can begin and we can actually provide BioWare with feedback of what we think. Until then, we'll just have to wait out the storm and hope the radical BSNers on the BioWare forums don't declare martial law.

I can't wait for that!  In the DA forums, I loved to read the posts by the people who really understand the lore and the politics and the history and the thoughtful exchanges on mages versus Templars and religion and society and all that. It was really impressive to see how many smart and thoughtful people get into these games. I would mull over the arguments for hours sometimes, and would still get schooled when I posted! It was such great energy!!!

 

I am super excited to see all the posts from people on here who know stuff about science-fiction and biology and space travel and philosophy as well as the game lore and all that.  I can't wait to see what they will come up with when they have enough information to really get into it again!!!  The lull is killing me!

[Grieving Natashina]

I can't wait for that!  In the DA forums, I loved to read the posts by the people who really understand the lore and the politics and the history and the thoughtful exchanges on mages versus Templars and religion and society and all that. It was really impressive to see how many smart and thoughtful people get into these games. I would mull over the arguments for hours sometimes, and would still get schooled when I posted! It was such great energy!!!

 

I am super excited to see all the posts from people on here who know stuff about science-fiction and biology and space travel and philosophy as well as the game lore and all that.  I can't wait to see what they will come up with when they have enough information to really get into it again!!!  The lull is killing me!

I'm a skeptic about the leak, but I love discussing the new ideas as well.