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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Exploring different environments would be very cool too(2181 Despoina comes to my mind right now).

I loved exploring 2181 Desponia. Brought back the feelings I got when on Manaan in KOTOR. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Nope. 2181 Despoina is the Leviathan's world. http://masseffect.wi...i/2181_Despoina

 

Jacob's loyalty mission takes place on 2175 Aeia. http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/2175_Aeia

Ah, gotcha.  I occasionally get those two mixed up.  I'd have a lot of fun exploring an ocean based world.  We live on Earth and it's startling to realize how little we know about our oceans.  I think combining real world creatures with the ME setting could produce some wonderful and possibly unsettling environments.

 

I know it looks very unlikely, but I've always wanted to see Kahje, the hanar homeworld.  Go diving in their warm seas.  Barring that, I'm happy to explore an ocean world.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Ah, gotcha.  I occasionally get those two mixed up.  I'd have a lot of fun exploring an ocean based world.  We live on Earth and it's startling to realize how little we know about our oceans.  I think combining real world creatures with the ME setting could produce some wonderful and possibly unsettling environments.

 

I know it looks very unlikely, but I've always wanted to see Kahje, the hanar homeworld.  Go diving in their warm seas.  Barring that, I'm happy to explore an ocean world.  

Yeah, if we go to Andromeda we will never get to see Kahje or any of the homeworlds of any of the races. 

 

And no, the brief stints in ME3 don't count since we never got to explore them. 

[Revan Reborn]

Yeah, if we go to Andromeda we will never get to see Kahje or any of the homeworlds of any of the races. 

 

And no, the brief stints in ME3 don't count since we never got to explore them. 

It really will be tragic if we are leaving the Milky Way because we really did not get to see much in it. In truth, we only got brief glimpses of the planets we were on for a short amount of time. The only place we had a consistent presence in throughout the trilogy was the Citadel. There was so much left undiscovered and unknown about the races already in Mass Effect. It will be a shame if they are forever lost in place of newer races that may not even be as compelling.

[Arcian]

Meanwhile, I know I will enjoy the new mass effect no matter what. I'm stoked for ANY news about the game, regardless of the story or setting. I dont care.

A real fan would give a crap about the franchise being sh!t on from on above.

[Revan Reborn]

A real fan would give a crap about the franchise being sh!t on from on above.

Indeed. I don't buy into these claims and arguments that some of these posters "care" about Mass Effect when they clearly don't care about the past games and they don't even care about the future setting or story. BioWare games are story-driven. If you don't even care about what the story will be... why are you even here? Do you even like Mass Effect? It's just beyond me how these posters claim to be "Mass Effect fans" and all I ever see them do is criticize what Mass Effect is and why everything needs to be thrown out for a "clean slate" because BioWare "wrote themselves into a wall." I don't think they actually genuinely even enjoy Mass Effect.

[Balsam Beige]

Indeed. I don't buy into these claims and arguments that some of these posters "care" about Mass Effect when they clearly don't care about the past games and they don't even care about the future setting or story. BioWare games are story-driven. If you don't even care about what the story will be... why are you even here? Do you even like Mass Effect? It's just beyond me how these posters claim to be "Mass Effect fans" and all I ever see them do is criticize what Mass Effect is and why everything needs to be thrown out for a "clean slate" because BioWare "wrote themselves into a wall." I don't think they actually genuinely even enjoy Mass Effect.

Let's not disrespect others. These are forums after all. Everyone has the right to express their opinion.

[SofaJockey]

A real fan would give a crap about the franchise being sh!t on from on above.

 

Quite right. If I see any signs of that happening, I will give one.

[Revan Reborn]

Let's not disrespect others. These are forums after all. Everyone has the right to express their opinion.

Who is disrespecting who? Feel free to read my post again. No one is being disrespected. I merely doubt those who claim to be "Mass Effect fans" when they could care less about the setting and story. You are more than welcome to disagree, but lets not be silly and try to turn this into personal attacks when it is clearly not. I'm just generally interested how one who doesn't care about the setting or story can care about anything in a BioWare game.

[Kabooooom]

A real fan would give a crap about the franchise being sh!t on from on above.

Oh, please. Spare me your pretentious drivel about what constitutes a "real fan".

[Revan Reborn]

Oh, please. Spare me your pretentious drivel about what constitutes a "real fan".

It's not "pretentious drivel" at all. If you don't care about the setting or story, it is reasonable to believe you don't actually care about Mass Effect either. Those two elements, alone, are not only important to Mass Effect, but any BioWare game. If you genuinely do not care, you, by definition, cannot be a Mass Effect fan. In other words, your statement is a contradiction and a very odd thing to say.

[Vazgen]

@Revan Reborn

What constitutes as Mass Effect is subjective. See this thread. Not everyone gives the same answer. Doesn't make those who don't agree with your view not "real fans".

[wright1978]

What nonsense. Someone could easily not be bothered about the choice of setting or story because they trust Bioware to create a compelling story which they will enjoy.

[Revan Reborn]

@Revan Reborn

What constitutes as Mass Effect is subjective. See this thread. Not everyone gives the same answer. Doesn't make those who don't agree with your view not "real fans".

This has nothing to do with "what constitutes as Mass Effect" and you should already know I was one of the first individuals to post in your thread about it...

 

Regardless, this is about a very affirmative statement that a poster made saying he does not care about story or the setting. Again, that's a ridiculous thing to say when those are two of the most important aspects of any BioWare game. This isn't subjective. This is the truth. Look at any BioWare game ever made. Setting and story are everything. If you do not care about either one, I'm not sure why you are here. This can't be any clearer...

 

How about this? I'll make it very simple for you. BioWare games are about story. Period. That is what BioWare does, story-driven experiences. Imagine a "real fan" telling you he/she doesn't care about story in BioWare games. Does that not in any way, shape, or form strike you as odd? Why even play a BioWare game if you don't care about the story, the choices you make, or the characters? Why even waste your time? It's like claiming you are a fan of first person shooters, yet you hate the first person perspective in shooter games... That's hypocrisy in every sense of the word.

[Heimdall]

This has nothing to do with "what constitutes as Mass Effect" and you should already know I was one of the first individuals to post in your thread about it...

Regardless, this is about a very affirmative statement that a poster made saying he does not care about story or the setting. Again, that's a ridiculous thing to say when those are two of the most important aspects of any BioWare game. This isn't subjective. This is the truth. Look at any BioWare game ever made. Setting and story are everything. If you do not care about either one, I'm not sure why you are here. This can't be any clearer...

He said that he was eagerly anticipating news of the new game REGARDLESS of the specific story or setting. That's no the same as not caring, it merely means he's open minded about where they go next.

[Revan Reborn]

He said that he was eagerly anticipating news of the new game REGARDLESS of the specific story or setting. That's no the same as not caring, it merely means he's open minded about where they go next.

That's what you are assuming by his statement. He never explicitly states that. On the contrary, the fact that he is excited regardless of the story or setting would suggest those aspects of the game are secondary or lesser to him. Again, this is an odd thing to say when those two aspects are literally the foundation of every BioWare game in existence. If anything, he should be "eagerly anticipating news of the new game [because] of the specific story or setting."

[Heimdall]

That's what you are assuming by his statement. He never explicitly states that. On the contrary, the fact that he is excited regardless of the story or setting would suggest those aspects of the game are secondary or lesser to him. Again, this is an odd thing to say when those two aspects are literally the foundation of every BioWare game in existence. If anything, he should be "eagerly anticipating news of the new game [because] of the specific story or setting."

You don't get to discount my statement by calling it an assumption and then claim assumptions of your own as anything else.

But let's just ask, Kabooooom, do you care about Mass Effect? Are you a fan?

[ZoliCs]

That's what you are assuming by his statement. He never explicitly states that. 

You don't get to say that Mr. "Who doesn't agree with me is not a Mass Effect fan".

[Vazgen]

 

This has nothing to do with "what constitutes as Mass Effect" and you should already know I was one of the first individuals to post in your thread about it...

 

Regardless, this is about a very affirmative statement that a poster made saying he does not care about story or the setting. Again, that's a ridiculous thing to say when those are two of the most important aspects of any BioWare game. This isn't subjective. This is the truth. Look at any BioWare game ever made. Setting and story are everything. If you do not care about either one, I'm not sure why you are here. This can't be any clearer...

 

How about this? I'll make it very simple for you. BioWare games are about story. Period. That is what BioWare does, story-driven experiences. Imagine a "real fan" telling you he/she doesn't care about story in BioWare games. Does that not in any way, shape, or form strike you as odd? Why even play a BioWare game if you don't care about the story, the choices you make, or the characters? Why even waste your time? It's like claiming you are a fan of first person shooters, yet you hate the first person perspective in shooter games... That's hypocrisy in every sense of the word.

I know you posted there, and I appreciate it I just wanted to point out that the thread went for 2 more pages after that and some people did not bring setting as something that defines Mass Effect for them.

The setting has changed from ME1 to ME2. In the first one we explored the Attican Traverse, in the second - Terminus Systems. Didn't make those games less Mass Effect. Just as setting the game in a new galaxy or a new unexplored region of Milky Way would.

 

As Heimdall pointed out, he is waiting for news on the Next Mass Effect, regardless of what they are about. It does strike me as a little odd, since I do have preferences on what news I'd like to hear more, but it does not make him not "real fan". I don't even know what a "real fan" is. If sports are of any indication, the "real fans" stand by their favorite team in hard times and never leave them regardless of how bad that team performs. I'd say he fits that definition. 

[Revan Reborn]

 

 

I know you posted there, and I appreciate it I just wanted to point out that the thread went for 2 more pages after that and some people did not bring setting as something that defines Mass Effect for them.

The setting has changed from ME1 to ME2. In the first one we explored the Attican Traverse, in the second - Terminus Systems. Didn't make those games less Mass Effect. Just as setting the game in a new galaxy or a new unexplored region of Milky Way would.

 

As Heimdall pointed out, he is waiting for news on the Next Mass Effect, regardless of what they are about. It does strike me as a little odd, since I do have preferences on what news I'd like to hear more, but it does not make him not "real fan". I don't even know what a "real fan" is. If sports are of any indication, the "real fans" stand by their favorite team in hard times and never leave them regardless of how bad that team performs. I'd say he fits that definition. 

 

There's one small distinction you are missing: We never left the Milky Way. All three Mass Effect games were in the same galaxy, which is the entire lore of the franchise. Going to another solar system isn't a "change in setting" the same way going to a place never discussed nor considered before is.

 

A real fan is simple. You either like story or you don't. BioWare is a storytelling developer, much in the same way CDPR is or Telltale Games. If you don't care about story, it's very likely you don't like the main point of a BioWare game.

 

Again, one can "assume" what the poster meant by his words. I'm merely looking at his plain language and its abundantly clear that he made the affirmative that he could care less what the story and setting are. Now, if he poorly constructed the sentence, that is his own fault. However, it seems he was rather clear in that story and setting mean little to him.

[ZoliCs]

As Heimdall pointed out, he is waiting for news on the Next Mass Effect, regardless of what they are about. It does strike me as a little odd, since I do have preferences on what news I'd like to hear more, but it does not make him not "real fan". I don't even know what a "real fan" is. 

That's easy, real fan is who considers him/herself a real fan. Not your, not mine or anyone else's, and certainly not Revan Reborn's idea of a real fan can change that.

 

A real fan is simple. You either like story or you don't. BioWare is a storytelling developer, much in the same way CDPR is or Telltale Games. If you don't care about story, it's very likely you don't like the main point of a BioWare game.

Wrong, there's so much more to Mass Effect, or any Bioware game than the story. He could care about the characters, the technology, the races, the gameplay or whatever.

[Vazgen]

There's one small distinction you are missing: We never left the Milky Way. All three Mass Effect games were in the same galaxy, which is the entire lore of the franchise. Going to another solar system isn't a "change in setting" the same way going to a place never discussed nor considered before is.

 

A real fan is simple. You either like story or you don't. BioWare is a storytelling developer, much in the same way CDPR is or Telltale Games. If you don't care about story, it's very likely you don't like the main point of a BioWare game.

 

Again, one can "assume" what the poster meant by his words. I'm merely looking at his plain language and its abundantly clear that he made the affirmative that he could care less what the story and setting are. Now, if he poorly constructed the sentence, that is his own fault. However, it seems he was rather clear in that story and setting mean little to him.

Lore of the franchise is still there. The next Mass Effect game set in another galaxy can easily have the full codex of the trilogy and not contradict it. It is entirely dependent on how they choose to write it. You might notice that I'm quite actively opposing the notion of developing ark ships capable of intergalactic travel in the timeline of the trilogy because it will change the lore. But something like a wormhole won't. It'll be extremely convenient and close to space magic, but it won't require changes to the existing lore.

 

As for what real fan is, he did not say that he does not like the story. He said that he did not care whether the news are about the story or gameplay. I view it as confidence in Bioware writers' abilities. Perhaps a little blind confidence, but it does not make one less a "fan" of the product. 

 

Personally, I don't care about story news. In fact, I'd wish to avoid them altogether not to spoil the story for me. Unfortunately it seems impossible with the recent marketing strategies. 

[Heimdall]

See, I consider myself a fan, but I'd be hard pressed to tell you what defines Mass Effect for me because it isn't any specific story aspect or set piece.

I guess that makes me not a true Scotsman

As for Kabooooom, if it's his language your looking at, you might wonder why he would be so closely following a game he doesn't care about. That he does suggests that he expects quality regardless of the specifics, not that he doesn't care.

EDIT:As someone who frequently advocates blind faith in the writers' abilities, I'd think that you could relate.

[goishen]

Some of them, yeah.  Like the ones I mentioned.   Far better than the utter disconnection that happens in ME2.  I'm not saying my opinion is the right one, only listing what I preferred.  I think a mix of the mission style in ME2 with better detailed environments and the exploration of ME1 would serve the series well.

 

The technology for the game is there, and this game has been in development for quite some time.  I've seen what they can do as far as the graphics of a surrounding area in DA, and I think it would be stellar (play on words intended) for the ME series.  

 

 

For me, and my money, I got a little bit tired of Hackett's voice over the intercom.  "Yah, yah, what do you need NOW?!"  I almost got a little tired of Jeff's voice, simply because I knew that I would hear Hackett's voice directly after that.

 

I mean, a few times is great.   With the amount of times that Hackett interrupted me in ME, it wasn't.

[Kabooooom]

It's not "pretentious drivel" at all. If you don't care about the setting or story, it is reasonable to believe you don't actually care about Mass Effect either. Those two elements, alone, are not only important to Mass Effect, but any BioWare game. If you genuinely do not care, you, by definition, cannot be a Mass Effect fan. In other words, your statement is a contradiction and a very odd thing to say.

Hahahaha. Give me a break. So if someone doesn't mind that they move the setting to Andromeda, they aren't a "true mass effect fan?"

First you started with straw-man arguments, and now you are invoking a no true Scotsman logical fallacy? If you are a troll, your troll attempts are pathetic. I previously assumed you were smart enough to intelligently debate and that you were just being trollish, but maybe I was mistaken.

http://rationalwiki....o_True_Scotsman