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Proof of this earlier non gamer survey. I call bollocks.

To get market feedback they asked people who aren't in the market what's what.

Seriously, some of you guys and gals only deserve gif responses:
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Oh, information on Inquisition indeed leaked via survey.

http://www.eurogamer...o-story-and-art

But it was a drastically different format than the info-dump of this survey.

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Proof of this earlier non gamer survey. I call bollocks.To get market feedback they asked people who aren't in the market what's what.Seriously, some of you guys and gals only deserve gif responses:Headdesk.gif


I don't recall for who the survey was, but there was one which included the plot of the game (though very vague), several different names for the subtitle (including Inquisition), info on some Companions (Dorian, Bull, Sera) and concept art of several characters.

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Oh, information on Inquisition indeed leaked via survey.

http://www.eurogamer...o-story-and-art

But it was a drastically different format than the info-dump of this survey.

Yeah, I mentioned that yesterday.  There's a survey "leak" and then there's "someone's plausible fan fiction."


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Just to clarify, these surveys typically aren't given out randomly. You have to answer several questions about yourself prior including gender, age range, and your entertainment preferences. A 45 year old who only watches television isn't going to get a Mass Effect survey.

 

Fake or not, I'm certainly excited for E3!



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In regards to the leak...it just sounds so much like DAI that it smells wrong to me.  Like someone said..."Hey...this is where they went with DA, so I'll bet this is how ME will go as well."  It's just too similar a concept, and the writing team is completely different.  I am not a believer...

 

At the same time...open-world type games seem to be the big sellers (damn you Skyrim!!!).  So maybe there is some truth to it.  Hard to say.

 

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You know I'm just as skeptical as you are, Revan.  I also question much of the details behind this "leak."  However, the only part that I think is true is Andromeda and a new galaxy.  The devs have been hinting at this for quite some time on twitter and dropped a couple of hints during the convention season last year.  Also, a dev did come onto the NeoGAF forum yesterday to explain how a ship could cross galaxies.  So while I agree that this leak might not be real, or could be real as of this writing and be completely different later, I think that's something that we should bare in mind.

 

If anything, I think that's why this "leak" spread as fast it did.  Some of what the person wrote sounded not only plausible, but matched what the devs had been talking about (the Mako, Andromeda, krogan being involved in some fashion.)  Also, after reading the original leak on reddit, a lot of folks have questioned the authenticity of the survey itself.  When asked about it, the person responded like this:

 

https://www.reddit.c...vey_about_mass/

 

 

That's what the poster did by his own admission to get to this "survey."  Does that look like a legitimate process to anyone else?  My husband does beta testing from time to time, for many things from MMOs and other games, to the latest Windows OS, to new Cisco router tools.  I showed him that and he started laughing.

I certainly can understand why going to a new galaxy might seem plausible. Aaryn Flynn, who is the head of BioWare Canada (Edmonton and Montreal) is who you are referring to. He certainly knows what's going on with the next Mass Effect, but he's not actually developing it. Just based off of previous behavior on BioWare's part, it would be odd that he would talk about something similar to the leak. If it were true, why would he speak about it at all? I'm just not thoroughly convinced.

 

All we know is that, according to Casey Hudson, we are exploring a new region of space: https://youtu.be/W7mX2_163cg?t=40s

 

That's rather ambiguous. It could mean a new galaxy, or merely a new area not explored in the Milky Way. I just wouldn't so quickly jump to the conclusion we are going to a new galaxy. What we do know is there will be new planets and new species to interact with. I'm not suggesting a new galaxy isn't possible, but I would see it being highly unnecessary.



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This is what happens when the game is developed in such secrecy :) Well, at least we get some #space tweets, Fallout fans don't get even those as far as I know :D

I'm waiting for E3. 


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I certainly can understand why going to a new galaxy might seem plausible. Aaryn Flynn, who is the head of BioWare Canada (Edmonton and Montreal) is who you are referring to. He certainly knows what's going on with the next Mass Effect, but he's not actually developing it. Just based off of previous behavior on BioWare's part, it would be odd that he would talk about something similar to the leak. If it were true, why would he speak about it at all? I'm just not thoroughly convinced.

 

All we know is that, according to Casey Hudson, we are exploring a new region of space: https://youtu.be/W7mX2_163cg?t=40s

 

That's rather ambiguous. It could mean a new galaxy, or merely a new area not explored in the Milky Way. I just wouldn't so quickly jump to the conclusion we are going to a new galaxy. What we do know is there will be new planets and new species to interact with. I'm not suggesting a new galaxy isn't possible, but I would see it being highly unnecessary.

Well, don't forget this: https://twitter.com/...631957704941568

 

However, it could be him just geeking out over the new picture and not trying to place a hint for ME.  I'll keep that in mind.



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don't really see the point of this thread



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Oh, information on Inquisition indeed leaked via survey.

http://www.eurogamer...o-story-and-art

But it was a drastically different format than the info-dump of this survey.


I know about the leak. But the guy/gal I quoted claimed the survey was for non-gamers too to get a feeling of the market.

Which is the most laughable thing I've heard in a long time... and I spend quite some time on here so that's one hell of an accomplishment.

Again: that's like asking a vegetarian how he/she likes to eat a steak.
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I have question for you guys...the synthesis option makes it hard to have a game still set in Milky Way (without having everyone have green eyes, etc) given that the 'space magic' seems to go from relay to relay and hence the whole galaxy.  But would it hit dormant relays?  ie, is it possible that areas of the Milky way that were not connected via live mass relays would be unaffected?  Has anyone discussed that possibility?  If that is possible, then it seems like remaining in the Milky Way and not being overtly affected by choices at the end of ME3 would be entirely possible.  Thoughts?

 

This may belong in another thread, so if too off topic, just ignore me! :P



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In regards to the leak...it just sounds so much like DAI that it smells wrong to me.  Like someone said..."Hey...this is where they went with DA, so I'll bet this is how ME will go as well."  It's just too similar a concept, and the writing team is completely different.  I am not a believer...

 

At the same time...open-world type games seem to be the big sellers (damn you Skyrim!!!).  So maybe there is some truth to it.  Hard to say.

 

I needs facts!!  AAARRGGG!!!

The next Mass Effect will be more open world, but I'd say Skyrim is only marginally responsible (it was a major influence for DAI though). If we go back to the original Mass Effect, there was large planet exploration with the Mako. Unfortunately, it was poor execution and the Mako struggled to traverse over the awkward and extreme environments. The concept was amazing and BioWare clearly recognizes that. Other than being more massive in scale, however, I'm not expecting a lot of similarities between DAI and the next Mass Effect. In fact, the devs have stated it will definitely be different and not just copy what DAI is doing. It's also worth noting that DAI was developed by Edmonton (original BioWare studio) while Montreal is developing the next Mass Effect (new BioWare studio that worked on DLCs).


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I have question for you guys...the synthesis option makes it hard to have a game still set in Milky Way (without having everyone have green eyes, etc) given that the 'space magic' seems to go from relay to relay and hence the whole galaxy.  But would it hit dormant relays?  ie, is it possible that areas of the Milky way that were not connected via live mass relays would be unaffected?  Has anyone discussed that possibility?  If that is possible, then it seems like remaining in the Milky Way and not being overtly affected by choices at the end of ME3 would be entirely possible.  Thoughts?

 

This may belong in another thread, so if too off topic, just ignore me! :P

I've been talking about this possibility for months now XD The only thing that needs to be addressed for such a setting is the Crucible wave. The endings show it spreading great distances from each relay so theoretically it should cover the entire galaxy. But it is surely easier to address than to invent new technologies and new lore just to enable intergalactic travel. 


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The next Mass Effect will be more open world, but I'd say Skyrim is only marginally responsible (it was a major influence for DAI though). If we go back to the original Mass Effect, there was large planet exploration with the Mako. Unfortunately, it was poor execution and the Mako struggled to traverse over the awkward and extreme environments. The concept was amazing and BioWare clearly recognizes that. Other than being more massive in scale, however, I'm not expecting a lot of similarities between DAI and the next Mass Effect. In fact, the devs have stated it will definitely be different and not just copy what DAI is doing. It's also worth noting that DAI was developed by Edmonton (original BioWare studio) while Montreal is developing the next Mass Effect (new BioWare studio that worked on DLCs).

Ahh...I see.  Then the similarities between DAI and the "leak" smell even more fishy to me. I hope they strike a better balance between exploration and choice-consequence than DAI did.  That game was a bit of a mess in terms of direction...


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Ahh...I see.  Then the similarities between DAI and the "leak" smell even more fishy to me. I hope they strike a better balance between exploration and choice-consequence than DAI did.  That game was a bit of a mess in terms of direction...

This is where the devs said that DA:I wasn't going to be a template for ME.

 

http://www.ign.com/a...age-inquisition


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This is what happens when the game is developed in such secrecy :) Well, at least we get some #space tweets, Fallout fans don't get even those as far as I know :D

I'm waiting for E3. 

Yep. BGS is infamous for never talking about any of there new games while in development. They like to reveal them right before they release, which was the case with Skyrim. It's a frustrating wait, but I understand the purpose in doing it. Certainly, it avoids a lot of PR nightmares and devs contradicting themselves when features don't make it into the final product. BGS made those mistakes with Oblivion (a lot of stuff was cut) and probably did not want to repeat it.

 

Well, don't forget this: https://twitter.com/...631957704941568

 

However, it could be him just geeking out over the new picture and not trying to place a hint for ME.  I'll keep that in mind.

That's grasping at straws, in my opinion. We could assume he means something more than that. I have a feeling most of the devs at BioWare Montreal are probably just fans of science fiction and space in general. We'll find out soon enough if it's remotely related.

 

I have question for you guys...the synthesis option makes it hard to have a game still set in Milky Way (without having everyone have green eyes, etc) given that the 'space magic' seems to go from relay to relay and hence the whole galaxy.  But would it hit dormant relays?  ie, is it possible that areas of the Milky way that were not connected via live mass relays would be unaffected?  Has anyone discussed that possibility?  If that is possible, then it seems like remaining in the Milky Way and not being overtly affected by choices at the end of ME3 would be entirely possible.  Thoughts?

 

This may belong in another thread, so if too off topic, just ignore me! :P

The Citadel's discharge only seemed to impact active Mass Relays, so I don't believe it would have impacted all sectors of the Milky Way, as some assume. As far as Synthesis, for all we know, the glowing eyes could wear off after a while due to a temporary symptom of being imprinted with a new DNA. There's a lot BioWare could do with that.


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Ahh...I see.  Then the similarities between DAI and the "leak" smell even more fishy to me. I hope they strike a better balance between exploration and choice-consequence than DAI did.  That game was a bit of a mess in terms of direction...


I really hope the ME team learnt from DAI and improves in making a better balance betwen the Story and the open world.
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I certainly can understand why going to a new galaxy might seem plausible. Aaryn Flynn, who is the head of BioWare Canada (Edmonton and Montreal) is who you are referring to. He certainly knows what's going on with the next Mass Effect, but he's not actually developing it. Just based off of previous behavior on BioWare's part, it would be odd that he would talk about something similar to the leak. If it were true, why would he speak about it at all? I'm just not thoroughly convinced.

 

All we know is that, according to Casey Hudson, we are exploring a new region of space: https://youtu.be/W7mX2_163cg?t=40s

 

That's rather ambiguous. It could mean a new galaxy, or merely a new area not explored in the Milky Way. I just wouldn't so quickly jump to the conclusion we are going to a new galaxy. What we do know is there will be new planets and new species to interact with. I'm not suggesting a new galaxy isn't possible, but I would see it being highly unnecessary.

*tinhat on*What if....this survey was legit, but just made to scare us? Like a huge pramk from Bioware to the ME fanbase!



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That's grasping at straws, in my opinion. We could assume he means something more than that. I have a feeling most of the devs at BioWare Montreal are probably just fans of science fiction and space in general. We'll find out soon enough if it's remotely related.

 

No arguments from me.  Again, it could be just something as simple as one of the devs wanting to share a beautiful picture of Andromea.   I love nice galaxy pictures and I use them for my desktop.  At this point, I refuse to read too much into any of this.  True or not, this rumor has jump started the ME conversations again.  That's not entirely a bad thing, as long as folks keep their caution firmly in place.  ;)


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*tinhat on*What if....this survey was legit, but just made to scare us? Like a huge pramk from Bioware to the ME fanbase!


I'd buy all their future games, without questioning, all pre-ordered. Would take on debts if I had to.
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I have question for you guys...the synthesis option makes it hard to have a game still set in Milky Way (without having everyone have green eyes, etc) given that the 'space magic' seems to go from relay to relay and hence the whole galaxy.  But would it hit dormant relays?  ie, is it possible that areas of the Milky way that were not connected via live mass relays would be unaffected?  Has anyone discussed that possibility?  If that is possible, then it seems like remaining in the Milky Way and not being overtly affected by choices at the end of ME3 would be entirely possible.  Thoughts?

 

This may belong in another thread, so if too off topic, just ignore me! :P

Easy! The glow was a temporary sode effect, and the real change was better desease resistance and abbolishment of genetic deseases/defects.



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Question, is it true that with some surveys they actually PAY you something for completing it? I just never heard (then again I'm not to familiar with these types of surveys) of a survey that payed it's participants. The leaker's reasoning was to "get a little extra money."



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Question, is it true that with some surveys they actually PAY you something for completing it? I just never heard (then again I'm not to familiar with these types of surveys) of a survey that payed it's participants. The leaker's reasoning was to "get a little extra money."

It's a real thing.  Google "paid survey."



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This is where the devs said that DA:I wasn't going to be a template for ME.

 

http://www.ign.com/a...age-inquisition

 

They're both open world games so you're going to still be running into a lot similarities.

 

Also Aaryn's response was part of an ongoing conversation where people were expressing concern about the heavy amount of filler in DA3 and having a repeat of that in ME4.

 

You could avoid using that as a "template," which I don't think anyone would want, while still using other features like base management, a strategy minigame, and crafting.



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They're both open world games so you're going to still be running into a lot similarities.

 

Also Aaryn's response was part of an ongoing conversation where people were expressing concern about the heavy amount of filler in DA3 and having a repeat of that in ME4.

 

You could avoid using that as a "template," which I don't think anyone would want, while still using other features like base management, a strategy minigame, and crafting.

Agreed, wholeheartedly.  I'm sure there is going to be some similarities, since I know that goes with the territory.  I'm one of the few that seems to like most of what I read in regards to this rumor, so much of what was "leaked" doesn't bother me.  Still, I wanted to get that article out there for those that hadn't read it yet.  This rumor sounds way too much like a complete clone of DA:I, so I wanted to let folks know that isn't what the devs are intending.  The execution is a different story, and one that I think will be a lot more difficult to guess before E3.