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[Patient.Zero]

Forgive me for my lack of understanding, I'm just a bit confused as to what the goal of a blight is. 

 

According to the lore that I've read, blights come to be because darkspawn are constantly searching for an old god/sleeping dragon to give them purpose, and when they finally come in contact with these old gods the taint the darkspawn carry infects them and causes the old god to turn into an archdemon who then goes about trying to destroy the world. Is it the old god's intention to be tainted? If not, what did they plan to do with the hoards of darkspawn trying to find them? If they do intend to be turned into archdemons, what is their end game?

[katerinafm]

I don't think they want to become corrupted intentionally or had an end game. The Darkspawn just have the impulse and corrupt them, thus giving the Archdemon an impulse too. At least that's what I've gathered so far.

[Patient.Zero]

But isn't the impulse of a darkspwan simply to find an old god? How can that impulse then transfer to the archdemon? 

[Sotaklas]

Personally i think the Darkspawn are just an event that went horribly bad, and it resulted in something like a virus, and maybe the ancient Dwarves had a hand in this, since they got almost wiped out from the world, so maybe there is no purpose to them kinda like zombies. I also believe the answers lie somewere in the Deep Roads, maybe when we find a very old Thaig again we will discover something horrible.

[Lethaya]

I think the darkspawn's drive to find old gods comes from their origins, for one. I.E. the Magisters. They were the high priests of the Old Gods after all, why not try and find their gods again? Especially if their god still calls to them?

 

As for the tainting, I'm not sure. It could be... intentional. Although that seems strange, considering what it does to them. Or it's just what happens when the beings that are attracted to them finally find them. They taint them, as they do with people to create broodmothers, and bam, archdemon.

 

The desire from the archdemon to then leave the Deep Roads and conquer could just be a result of what they once were. They were once revered by the greatest humanity had to offer, after all. Homecoming? XD

[leaguer of one]

But isn't the impulse of a darkspwan simply to find an old god? How can that impulse then transfer to the archdemon? 

It's called a geass.

[Phoe77]

I don't think the old gods have any intentions regarding the darkspawn one way or another.  The darkspawn search for and free the old gods.  In the process, the old gods get tainted and become archdemons; something different than they were before.  The Archdemons lead the darkspawn towards whatever goal they may have.  I imagine that if the point was to taint other old gods then the archdemon would keep the darkspawn in the deep roads looking for the rest of them instead of leading them to the surface.  

 

As for the darkspawn, I'm of the belief that they don't have a goal per se.  They have a compulsion to search for old gods and a hatred of non-darkspawn.  They're less of a faction and more of a force of nature, in my opinion.  

 

Of course this is based off of the games only.  I haven't read the books.  And obviously it's all conjecture on my part.

[Daerog]

Purpose? From my understanding, the purpose of the blight, the Blight, and the darkspawn is the ruin/end of the current world.

 

They are not of the Fade, they are not connected to it (have to be forced into by magic, as was the case in Awakening), and even spirits/demons are freaked out by them.

 

My theory is that the blight is an opposite of the Fade. Kind of like the matter and antimatter universes in DC (sorta...).

 

Probably the origin to it all is the desire to destroy or corrupt the Fade or something. It seems to corrupt lyrium, which is a manifestation of the Fade.

[X Equestris]

But isn't the impulse of a darkspwan simply to find an old god? How can that impulse then transfer to the archdemon?

Through the Taint, most likely.

[SwobyJ]

We don't know the origins of the Blight and Darkspawn, only events and details connected to it. And more recently, a connection to red lyrium.

 

I presume that the next game or two will get into this significantly. We've had our 'vacation' from Darkspawn and its time they come back in a big way.

 

It is said that the Blight is the Maker's curse, I believe, but that doesn't mean that it's literally directly sent by him - it can be metaphorical.

 

But there likely is some sort of intelligence(/whatever) behind the compulsion of the Blight to reach Old Gods and taint them. It is NOT the OGs' wills, it seems. They're being used as tools of something greater when they become an Archdemon.

 

The compulsion of the Darkspawn isn't NECESSARILY ONLY to find an Old God. However, its shown through demonstration that the Blight's directives may be very unintelligent and vague until an Archdemon is involved, possibly amplifying/clarifying the voice being sent to Darkspawn and uniting them better into a fighting force. This may have to do with the still secretive nature of the Old Gods (do they have god spirits within them in some way?). 

 

In the larger sense, anything with the Blight wishes the spread the Blight everywhere and taint all things. Old Gods may just be a treasured target/beacon for that sort of singular purpose. Chaos.

[zambingo]

Perhaps the Darkspawn, originally, were the "survivors" of the great blood sacrifice that the Magisters reportedly used to rip their way into the Golden City. Afterwards they were essentially a new species, a humanoid virus. Part of the "sin" of the Magisters would be the creation of a new species, an act of godlike proportions. The Darkspawn searching for and corrupting an Old God then would just be part of genetic programming to "procreate" and thus continue to be "survivors"; because an Old God becoming an Archdemon brings about the Blight which then, seemingly, allows for reinvigoration of Darkspawn numbers via fresh Broodmothers.

[Patient.Zero]

I was under the impression that the old gods are constantly calling the darkspawn to them in order to achieve some kind of goal. So they either know that they're going to be tainted or are expecting the darkspawn to be something else. The reason behind the compulsion to have the darkspawn find the old god is therefore either to start a blight (to what end I am unsure of) or something else entirely. If the whole darkspawn finding old gods business is literally just a (rather convoluted) means of spreading a disease or breeding then... I don't know I think that would be every anticlimactic. 

 

@X Equestris

What I meant to ask was: if the awakening of an old god somehow gives the darkspawn purpose/direction by the will of the hoard commanding the old god instead of vice versa, then how is their goal of searching for old gods realized though the start of a blight which is in essence just an epidemic?

 

EDIT: spelling mistakes 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's called a geass.

Did someone say Geass? 

[Junebug]

I thought the darkspawn themselves were kinda just like aimless zombies, following the Archdemon.

[Steelcan]

Perhaps the Darkspawn, originally, were the "survivors" of the great blood sacrifice that the Magisters reportedly used to rip their way into the Golden City. Afterwards they were essentially a new species, a humanoid virus. Part of the "sin" of the Magisters would be the creation of a new species, an act of godlike proportions. The Darkspawn searching for and corrupting an Old God then would just be part of genetic programming to "procreate" and thus continue to be "survivors"; because an Old God becoming an Archdemon brings about the Blight which then, seemingly, allows for reinvigoration of Darkspawn numbers via fresh Broodmothers.

imma need some source on that

 

as far as I remember the Magisters who entered the Fade brought the Blight back with them, whether darkspawn already existed or not is another matter

[ModernAcademic]

Do you know how the voices in the darkspawn collective mind are referred by the Grey Wardens as the Calling? And how the Magisters followed the voices of the Old Gods (Dumat) until they arrived at the Black City?

 

Dwarves who stay near lyrium for too long also claim they become mentally afflicted and hear such voices.

[ModernAcademic]

My bet is that there are powerful spirits in the Fade, hidden in the Black City, even trapped, who keep calling for those who can hear -either through the lyrium, the taint or magic (mages hear spirits and can travel in the Fade) to go there and free them.

Does that ring any bells? The Elven Gods, trapped in the Beyond by Fen Harel, perhaps?

 

This is the central theme of my fanfic, Nightmares of Red Stone, btw. From the 2nd Arc forward, the mystery of the taint, red lyrium, the Magisters and the fall of Arlathan, sa well as the final destiny of the Elven Pantheon will all be approached.

[X Equestris]

I was under the impression that the old gods are constantly calling the darkspawn to them in order to achieve some kind of goal. So they either know that they're going to be tainted or are expecting the darkspawn to be something else. The reason behind the compulsion to have the darkspawn find the old is therefore either to start a blight (to what end I am unsure of) or something else entirely. If the whole darkspawn finding old god business is lithely just a (rather convoluted) means of spreading a disease or breeding then... I don't know I think that ow be every anticlimactic. 
 
@X Equestris
What I meant to ask was: if the awakening of an old god somehow gives the darkspawn purpose/direction by the will of the hoard commanding the old god instead of vice versa, then how is their goal of searching for an old gods realized though the start of a blight which is in essence just an epidemic?

We don't know that the Old Gods are the source of the calling. And even if they are, it may not be their desire to emit the song. It could very well be part of their nature.

For all we know, the Taint could be a tool intended to kill off the Old Gods. Maybe the Darkspawn are simply tuned to find them.

[Daerog]

The dwarves believe the blight came from deep in the world.

 

The red lyrium idol shows that the blight may have been around before the height of the Dwarven Empire. (some have said that it could have been infected later)

 

The Chantry says that the Magisters were cast out of the Golden/Black City for their sin and became the first Darkspawn, bringing the Blights.

 

The blight may have existed before, and may have infected people into ghouls beforehand, but full darkspawn may not have been around before the fall of the magisters.

 

Perhaps they, body and soul, were cast into or "fell" into the blight, manifested themselves physically with it and rose from deep in the world to the surface.

 

I think that the souls of the magisters are tied to the blight and they can reincarnate through it. (With Cory being destroyed by the Fade, which I think is an opposing force to the blight, he may not be able to reincarnate... but the Architect might, and that is my theory as to why he has memory loss and Cory didn't, since Archie may have died without being able to transfer to a ready vessel so was reborn like other darkspawn and Cory was just imprisoned.)

[X Equestris]

The dwarves believe the blight came from deep in the world.
 
The red lyrium idol shows that the blight may have been around before the height of the Dwarven Empire. (some have said that it could have been infected later)
 
The Chantry says that the Magisters were cast out of the Golden/Black City for their sin and became the first Darkspawn, bringing the Blights.
 
The blight may have existed before, and may have infected people into ghouls beforehand, but full darkspawn may not have been around before the fall of the magisters.
 
Perhaps they, body and soul, were cast into or "fell" into the blight, manifested themselves physically with it and rose from deep in the world to the surface.
 
I think that the souls of the magisters are tied to the blight and they can reincarnate through it. (With Cory being destroyed by the Fade, which I think is an opposing force to the blight, he may not be able to reincarnate... but the Architect might, and that is my theory as to why he has memory loss and Cory didn't, since Archie may have died without being able to transfer to a ready vessel so was reborn like other darkspawn and Cory was just imprisoned.)

To further this discussion, I would point to the Void/Abyss. The Chantry considers it the antithesis of the Maker's creation. The elves say the Forgotten Ones lived there, and that Andruil was negatively affected by her time there. The way she acts bears some resemblance to how the taint affects people. And there are the Empty Ones, a cult that believed the Blight originated in the Void. So it seems like this might be the place the taint originated. The real question is: where is this Void/Abyss?

[Daerog]

Asking where the Void/Abyss is, is like asking where the Fade is.

[zambingo]

imma need some source on that

as far as I remember the Magisters who entered the Fade brought the Blight back with them, whether darkspawn already existed or not is another matter

You don't need a source as it was clearly written as speculation. :-)

To clarify my thought; perhaps the darkspawn were originally "survivors" of the blood sacrifice... what I meant was perhaps the people the magisters killed where fundementally changed in the process becoming the original darkspawn. They then procreated via the Broodmother corruption process.

[thats1evildude]

It is possible that the Old Gods ( or perhaps just Dumat) engineered the creation of the darkspawn to set them free of their prison and bring destruction to the Maker's creation. Or maybe the Maker intentionally created the darkspawn to destroy the world that turned away from him.

Who knows? All we know is that the end goal of the Blight is the destruction of all life.

[zambingo]

Perhaps destruction of all life as we know it anyway.

[ModernAcademic]

And when Thedosians are gone, who will take their place?

 

Malekith and his people?