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[Domiel Angelus]

This stems from almost every modern fantasy world trying to be Tolkien. 

 

Tolkien is the world were dwarves were short bearded miners who drank lots of ale and hand a fondness for axes.

Tolkien's work is the one where elves where lithe, fair, facial-hairless people with an affinity for nature.

You get the idea.

 

Not that taking inspiration from Tolkien is a bad thing. In fact, it's nearly impossible. Tolkien is THE benchmark for building fantasy worlds. Tolkien IS fantasy. But yeah, if you want a real answer to the question of "who said elves can't have facial hair?" The answer is Tolkien.

 

There's two elves in Tolkien's universe that have facial hair, its a third stage of life power up for them apparently. It could be three, I believe Feanor, who created the Simarils,  had one as well. 

[thats1evildude]

Because elves are effeminate. Whereas dwarves are masculine and hence nearly always have beards.

[Teddie Sage]

Bleh... stereotypes make me roll me poor eyes hard. 

[Domiel Angelus]

Because elves are effeminate. Whereas dwarves are masculine and hence nearly always have beards.

 

So you're calling the construction of the rings of power effeminate? Or the construction of the Simarils? Or how about the only hero to ever actually kill a Balrog when they weren't of equal power? (Gandalf is excluded in this because he's a Maia/Maiar and the Balrog is a corrupted Maia, putting them both on par in power as Morgoth)

 

I don't see any dwarves doing that, and don't count the movies because they made the dwarves far more awesome than they actually were in the book/books.

[thats1evildude]

So you're calling the construction of the rings of power effeminate?

Oh sure, the Rings of Power. Magic jewelry, in other words.

Besides, no one said "effeminate" equaled "powerless."

[Domiel Angelus]

Oh sure, the Rings of Power. Magic jewelry, in other words.

Besides, no one said "effeminate" equaled "powerless."

 

Based on the link you added, all of their things revolve around nature and therefore makes them effeminate. The forging of the Rings proves that they are definitely not all about nature.

[thats1evildude]

Uh, no, the Trope says that elven men are generally depicted as extremely feminine at best, camp gay at worst.

[midnight tea]

Apparently there's banter piece between Solas and Blackwall (found on wiki):
 

Blackwall: I just realized, I've never seen an elf with a beard.

Solas: You haven't seen many elves then.

 

So apparently DA has elves that can grow facial hair.... but maybe it's an ancient elven thing that they forgot about? Heck, the one character who claims that elves can have beards seems to have forgotten how to grow them nearly entirely

 

 

Also - effiminate is not an insult, nor it shouldn't come with immediate assumption that 'effeminate characters' apparently can't do great things. What's with the assumption that 'effeminate elves' would be unable to craft rings of power or kill Balrogs?

 

Also - I think the more appropriate word for typical elf portrayal isn't 'effeminate', but androgynous.

[Domiel Angelus]

 

Apparently there's banter piece between Solas and Blackwall (found on wiki):
 

Blackwall: I just realized, I've never seen an elf with a beard.

Solas: You haven't seen many elves then.

 

So apparently DA has elves that can grow facial hair.... but maybe it's an ancient elven thing that they forgot about? Heck, the one character who claims that elves can have beards seems to have forgotten how to grow them nearly entirely

 

 

Also - effiminate is not an insult, nor it shouldn't come with immediate assumption that 'effeminate characters' apparently can't do great things. What's with the assumption that 'effeminate elves' would be unable to craft rings of power or kill Balrogs?

 

Also - I think the more appropriate word for typical elf portrayal isn't 'effeminate', but androgynous.

 

 

I like the post, but based on his original comment about elves and dwarves, it seems he was using it as an insult. 

[Dunmer of Redoran]

*looks at avatar*

 

Yeah. Elves definitely don't have facial hair.

[Gileadan]

1. Facial hair is awesome
2. DA elves are not awesome.
3. DA elves cannot have facial hair.

This cannot be contested, it seems logical enough.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

*looks at avatar*

 

Yeah. Elves definitely don't have facial hair.

 

Dunmer laugh at the silly n'wahs saying elves need to be effeminate and clean-shaven!

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Digger1967]

Well, as fascinating as the whole effeminate conversation has been, frankly when your speaking of Elves in Tolkien for me it makes sense that they wouldn't want to grow a beard.  If I lived for thousands of years and spent most of my time in the woods, heck yes I'd keep myself clean shaven.  Beards really aren't that comfortable in environments where you have lots of bugs and small stuff that likes to crawl around, so for me I guess it seems more like a practical decision.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Dunmer laugh at the silly n'wahs saying elves need to be effeminate and clean-shaven!

Spoiler

Indeed. That's the beard of a real man...er, mer...!

[Sartoz]

Seriously though. Is this a golden rule in all fantasy writing that elves shan't have facial hair? Because yesterday for the first time, I decided to create an elf from scratch and I thought it would be cute to give him a jawline beard. Nope, the CC wasn't allowing me to do so. Afterwards, went on Google and typed beared elves and I see a lot of conversations popping around saying that it has to do with their youth aspects or something in many lore and legends. I'm like: "Well, the old guy from the elf alienage didn't need a beard and was all wrinkled in DAO..." I figure they link facial hair to old age or something. Honestly I'm disappointed. Facial hair is not as ugly as people think it is and I believe elves could look just as cute with a little facial hair then nothing. Tried to make a male elf yesterday but he looked so androgynous that I couldn't appreciate my character at all. Confession time: I feel terrible for being this shallow. 

 

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I believe it's a racial thing.

 

For example: South American Indians have quite literally, hairless bodies. .... or so google tells me

[TheRatPack55]

Wait, nobody brought up this bit yet? Happened in here.

 

 

Hi.

 

You're not missing the banter between Solas and Blackwall about elven beardlessness because of the banter bug. It was pulled out of the banter array and made to not trigger because it actually contradicts Word of Gaider (i.e. canon).

 

So, what happened was I wrote a bunch of banter while tired and obviously confused about the state of elven facial hair. The banter I wrote got voiced, and then one day, just to be sure, I checked with David Gaider about elven beards. The conversation went kind of like this:

 

"Hey, can elves grow beards?"

"No."

"Er, really? I wrote a banter referencing elf beards."

"You should probably delete it."

"I will."

 

So I went off and tried to make sure that this mistake of mine would never see the light of day. Of course, people dug around in the files and found the soundclips.

 

I would urge you to interpret that banter as Solas trolling Blackwall.