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[In Exile]

Well, it's true for the Wardens.

 

I keep seeing this, but DA:O portrayed the non-HOF (or HOF recruited) Wardens as the biggest conglomeration of idiots in Thedas. About the only thing they were good for was getting killed by darkspawn without amounting to much, except for Riordan, who mostly committed suicide. Let's review:

 

1. Duncan knows this is a blight and that there is an AD. His plan is to agree to stick all GWs in Ferelden (save 2, and only because Cailan asked) in the pits of Ostagar, where a single strafing run by a flying creature that breaths blighted fire could kill 'em all. End result: Coincidental betrayal by Loghain, all GWs die. 

2. Riordan knows this is a blight, that only GWs can kill an AD, and that there are only 3 GWs in Ferelden. His plan? Separate himself from the others, and then leap off a building by himself, which has as much of a chance of succeeding (and I mean landing on the AD success) as hitting a bullet with another, smaller and slower bullet. 

 

In DA:A, we have:

 

3. The darkspawn sensing GW get wholesale massacred to the last person by a horde of darkspawn, with the fortress only being coincidentally saved by the Warden, the Oghren, Anders and Ms. Redshirt. 

 

The Wardens are terrible at their jobs. 

[Bunny]

^ They may be losers, but they're my losers.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I was quite glad to be given the opportunity to destroy the wardens actually.

[Alex Hawke]

The Wardens are terrible at their jobs. 

They rely on the leader (Warden-Commander) too much and have no restrictions. He/she suggests to protect a city (Amaranthine)? Yes! To use human sacrifices and summon some demons? Why not?

[Junebug]

They rely on the leader (Warden-Commander) too much and have no restrictions.

See, I thought this at first too 'cause I thought it was really odd that they'd suddenly go all hive-mind. In DA:O Grey Wardens seemed perfectly capable themselves and in DA2, Stroud and his crew were also perfectly capable of making their own decisions. But then I remembered that they're all tainted and anyone/anything affected by it will be subjected to the Calling. They describe the Calling as disturbing auditory hallucinations (which I imagine sounds something like schizophrenia—video warning: super scary stuff) coupled with frequent nightmares. If I heard it even once, I'd be disoriented and terrified but hearing it all the time? I can understand a little bit better as to why and the lengths they'd go through to get it to stop. Corypheus took advantage of their vulnerability and manipulated them; which is easy to do when you're constantly in a state of confusion. Plus, darkspawn are basically zombies who do the Archdemon's bidding. I have little doubt Corypheus tried to manipulate the Grey Wardens using a similar method.

[Bunny]

See, I thought this at first too 'cause I thought it was really odd that they'd suddenly go all hive-mind. In DA:O Grey Wardens seemed perfectly capable themselves and in DA2, Stroud and his crew were also perfectly capable of making their own decisions. But then I remembered that they're all tainted and anyone/anything affected by it will be subjected to the Calling. They describe the Calling as disturbing auditory hallucinations (which I imagine sounds something like schizophrenia—video warning: super scary stuff) coupled with frequent nightmares. If I heard it even once, I'd be disoriented and terrified but hearing it all the time? I can understand a little bit better as to why and the lengths they'd go through to get it to stop. Corypheus took advantage of their vulnerability and manipulated them; which is easy to do when you're constantly in a state of confusion. Plus, darkspawn are basically zombies who do the Archdemon's bidding. I have little doubt Corypheus tried to manipulate the Grey Wardens using a similar method.

 

Well, when you put it that way, killing them seems almost merciful.

[Statare]

 

*snip*

 

The Wardens are terrible at their jobs. 

 

You forgot DA2. They sent a tiny group of Wardens to investigate the Thaig Hawke found, only to get routed by Darkspawn and need Hawke's help.

 

Then there is Legacy, where the most dangerous entity the Wardens have ever encountered, even more dangerous than an Archedemon, is imprisoned in the most elaborate prison we have ever seen. The Wardens decide that after maintaining the prison for ages upon ages, that they don't want to guard the prison anymore, leaving the seals to give way, and utterly abandoning the prison save one proto-ghoul Warden. Then there is Janeka who is so clever she decided that even though the Wardens are an institution founded on Blood Magic knowledge, that obviously the ancient wardens had not thought of a simple blood ritual to bind Cory and instead built a giant, elaborate, blood ritual maintained prison for shits and giggles. The Wardens are the best and brightest Thedas has to offer.

[PsychoBlonde]

I teared up bigtime after I defeated Imshael and found the dying Red Templar near the flagpole to claim the keep.  From the sound of things, many of them didn't want to join.

 

If you get the Chargers mission to clean up Therinfall Redoubt post-Setback, the mission finish reveals that they found hundreds of butchered Templars at the Redoubt who died fighting.  Most of the Templars did not want to take the red lyrium.  A few select leaders were corrupted and lied to the vast majority who then either died or were turned into monsters.

 

Remember that the red lyrium lets Corypheus control the Templars much like the Blight lets him control the Grey Wardens.  It's impossible to know how many of them voluntarily went over.

[Karlone123]

I felt badly about killing the Grey Wardens, and the Red Templars too.  I felt even worse after I found out that both groups had been deceived and utterly used, especially so with Samson - learning about how he used to be a decent man, and hearing his story.  But I killed all the ones who fought me anyway.  It just felt bad.

 

I find it hard to choose to recruit the Mages over the Templars feeling that the Templars suffer a terrible fate of being physically and mentally corrupted into monstrosities against nature. I have mixed feelings on the Grey Wardens' responsibility surrounding aiding Coreypheus; on one hand, the Wardens were desperate in every attempt to defeat the Darkspawn, but on the other hand. They take gambles with innocents lives and themselves and nearly doomed Southern Thedas. "In Death, Sacrifice" is a thing the Wardens go by, but not the people of Thedas.

[PsychoBlonde]

 

 

The Wardens are terrible at their jobs. 

 

 

I think we are starting to see signs that there is a lot more to the Blight than just "generic zombie doom plague" and that the Wardens may not be on the side that we think they are, particularly the OLDER and MORE CORRUPTED Wardens who are in LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.

[KaiserShep]

The inquisition got a number of both that made themselves useful. The ones that died were actively working against the rest of Thedas, so I don't feel bad at all.

[Bunny]

I think we are starting to see signs that there is a lot more to the Blight than just "generic zombie doom plague" and that the Wardens may not be on the side that we think they are, particularly the OLDER and MORE CORRUPTED Wardens who are in LEADERSHIP POSITIONS.

 

 

"The taint clouds everything. Impossible to see the future is."

[Dabrikishaw]

I feel really bad for the Wardens and a Templar or 2, bu I have no problem killing them.

[Inprea]

The red templars I gave up on saving rather early on. That stuff is just bad news. They also pull a lot of crap to earn my animosity regardless of their reasons. Given that I was rather anti templar to begin with i can't say i felt anything for killing them. Well other then yay loot and experience points. With an exception for the tranquil that poisoned himself though he wasn't really a red templar. That was really a come on man I wouldn't have tortured you just questioned moment.

 

The Grey Wardens I'm less okay with. There was no enjoyment there just the dirty business of stopping a demonic invasion and dealing with people who won't listen. If I was actually in such a horrible situation I'd probably need something to help me sleep for a while. Killing someone you respect has got to suck on so many levels.

[kingkonig]

The Grey Wardens I'm less okay with. There was no enjoyment there just the dirty business of stopping a demonic invasion and dealing with people who won't listen. If I was actually in such a horrible situation I'd probably need something to help me sleep for a while. Killing someone you respect has got to suck on so many levels.

 

But you saw how this affected many of the Wardens.  They were very upset after killing their allies, and even the Warden who came to be judged said that there isn't anything that she could do to change what she did, so she surrendered herself to the Inquisitor's judgement.

[BansheeOwnage]

As for Ser Ruth, I imprisoned her. Public humiliation wasn't enough, an early Calling is just moving up the inevitable outcome, forgiveness from Andraste is not a valid option. So prison is the only thing I could choose.

 

I actually wish there had been a way to put Ruth to work shoveling horse crap for the Inquisition, as well as other menial jobs. Also would have been cool if her working in the stables had drawn Blackwall's eye.

 

Actually, "public humiliation" is apparently menial labour. I was confused as to how, but there you go.

[Lumix19]

I find it hard to choose to recruit the Mages over the Templars feeling that the Templars suffer a terrible fate of being physically and mentally corrupted into monstrosities against nature. I have mixed feelings on the Grey Wardens' responsibility surrounding aiding Coreypheus; on one hand, the Wardens were desperate in every attempt to defeat the Darkspawn, but on the other hand. They take gambles with innocents lives and themselves and nearly doomed Southern Thedas. "In Death, Sacrifice" is a thing the Wardens go by, but not the people of Thedas.

Both sides get pretty screwed over. I just can't bear to leave the mages to their fates because I have a bad feeling about what happens to the children once they become part of the Venatori (anybody else thinking demon sacrifices?).

[DirkJake]

The red templars I gave up on saving rather early on. That stuff is just bad news. They also pull a lot of crap to earn my animosity regardless of their reasons. Given that I was rather anti templar to begin with i can't say i felt anything for killing them. Well other then yay loot and experience points. With an exception for the tranquil that poisoned himself though he wasn't really a red templar. That was really a come on man I wouldn't have tortured you just questioned moment.

 

 

Yeah, I am anti-templar and have always thought the order as corrupted before DAI. And it's ironic to see how they are corrupted (again) by the red lyrium in DAI. At this point killing them is like mercy killing, so I don't feel bad about it.

[Taki17]

The only time I felt somewhat bad for killing enemies in Dragon Age was when you had to fight the mages in the Circle Tower who were made abominations forcefully by Uldred. I mean, you even witnessed the creation of one as they forced the demon inside him and then he transformed, with the first enchanter and other mages in the background watching and waiting to suffer the same fate.

 

Yeah, as I've said before, I miss scenes like these where the DA games weren't trying to be politically correct and family-friendly, they showed you every bit of the gruesome reality that is going on. In the meantime, in DAI you just have Red Templars who ate the red stuff. Somwhere. At sometime.

[Inprea]

But you saw how this affected many of the Wardens.  They were very upset after killing their allies, and even the Warden who came to be judged said that there isn't anything that she could do to change what she did, so she surrendered herself to the Inquisitor's judgement.

 

True but for me that just confirms the notion they're mostly good people who were trying to do the right thing. The ease with which they were lured into doing something so foolish troubles me and I'm far less forgiving of the leadership than I am of the soldiers but I still consider it an necessary but unpleasant task. Had Chorale lived though I'd wanted a trial for her and at the very least stripped her of her rank. Good intentions or not you don't get to blunder that big and brush it off.

 

 

Yeah, I am anti-templar and have always thought the order as corrupted before DAI. And it's ironic to see how they are corrupted (again) by the red lyrium in DAI. At this point killing them is like mercy killing, so I don't feel bad about it.

 

It doesn't help that Cole tells you what the templars are like and they get away with beating and then starving a mage to death. Even if the entire order wasn't corrupt the good templars did far too little in my opinion.

[MoonDrummer]

Killing Grey Wardens was rubbish, don't care about the Templars though.

[QueenCrow]

I find it hard to choose to recruit the Mages over the Templars feeling that the Templars suffer a terrible fate of being physically and mentally corrupted into monstrosities against nature. I have mixed feelings on the Grey Wardens' responsibility surrounding aiding Coreypheus; on one hand, the Wardens were desperate in every attempt to defeat the Darkspawn, but on the other hand. They take gambles with innocents lives and themselves and nearly doomed Southern Thedas. "In Death, Sacrifice" is a thing the Wardens go by, but not the people of Thedas.

 

You make perfect sense.  On one play-through I allied with the Mages, on my second, I allied with the Templars just to get a feel for both, try to rationalize both, or walk a mile in both mage and templar boots.  On the surface, my inclination is toward the mages because of what Lumix19 said.  Fiona will say that there are children among the mages and my instinct is to protect them.  But when talking with Cullen, he will say that children, even infants, are given over to the Templar Order, so there must be children among the templars too - and you don't really get more innocent than children.

 

Really, I wish the option existed to work your Inquisi-backside off and somehow ally with both the mages and the templars.  But then, I guess, it becomes a matter of  who will be the "bad guys"?

[Dieb]

All my supposed humanitarianism fades when I compare my feelings about killing corrupted or mislead people by the dozens, to whenever I accidentally shot a Fennek.

[Lumix19]

You make perfect sense.  On one play-through I allied with the Mages, on my second, I allied with the Templars just to get a feel for both, try to rationalize both, or walk a mile in both mage and templar boots.  On the surface, my inclination is toward the mages because of what Lumix19 said.  Fiona will say that there are children among the mages and my instinct is to protect them.  But when talking with Cullen, he will say that children, even infants, are given over to the Templar Order, so there must be children among the templars too - and you don't really get more innocent than children.
 
Really, I wish the option existed to work your Inquisi-backside off and somehow ally with both the mages and the templars.  But then, I guess, it becomes a matter of  who will be the "bad guys"?

To be fair the children given over to the Templars are raised and educated by the Chantry first until they reach the appropriate age, so they're not necessarily directly caught up in the war. Whereas the apprentices were raised in the Circle Towers so they're pretty much swept up by the action.

[CathyMe]

Killing templars: f***ing sweet (the guy from the codex included). While DAI made me feel a bit sorry for the regular templar after Cullen explained how the chantry turns them into addicts of a drug which the Chantry tightly control, it also made me despise the chantry-templars-circles system even more (didn't thought that was possible) since it destroys lives on both sides.

As for the wardens: while I am quite torn about them in general, I didn't feel sorry for those too stupid to stop and see how stupid their plan was.