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[helpthisguyplease]

 This is a question that came because of the events in DA2 where I saw the templars doing quite well against the qunary and they were part of the military of the Qun. Also is the fact that Alistair defeated the Arishok in single battle and while Alistair became king because of his lineage the Arishok became what he is because of his martial prowess but if the best lost against what I think its not the best is the training of the Qunary lacking?

[Br3admax]

No, Templars are elite warriors while must if Thedas military is not. And Alastair has Great Dragonsblood, Sten losing to him means nothing.

[The Baconer]

As one of the most unapologetic Qunari haters on his forum-

 

No. 

[Kantr]

It doesnt matter how well trained an army you have. Against Cannons you stand no chance.

[Sui Causa]

The war to push back the qunari invasion was an extremely bloody and painful one. It took multiple exalted marches and the united effort of pretty much frickin everyone combined to stop them.

 

There is a reason why everyone fears that the qunari will go invasion-mode again.

[MattH]

It doesnt matter how well trained an army you have. Against Cannons you stand no chance.

Tevinter has been managing to hold them at bay all these years, without any help from the southern countries.

[Master Warder Z_]

Well that's a difficult question.

We have not really seen any particular nation in action thus far in a traditional battlefield.

So the capacity for any at present is questionable.

And that isn't factoring in all the various issues that plague Thedas.

But overall I'd say the Qunari likely have a better overall military in terms of logistical support and training but inversly a much, much smaller standing military in comparison to Orlais or Nevarra.

It's many factors that equate to total militant strength in the real world so if you go by those factors I'd say the Qunari have a superior technological basis and infrastructure but lack the sheer population of humanity.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

If wot 2 is any indication, we might find out soon

[berelinde]

I really expected somebody to post an Arishok meme. I am disappointed.

[helpthisguyplease]

If wot 2 is any indication, we might find out soon

What?

[X Equestris]

Tevinter has been managing to hold them at bay all these years, without any help from the southern countries.

Fenris and Iron Bull both seem to suggest that the Qunari are putting minimal effort into fighting the Tevinter. Fenris even suggests that the Qunari could easily defeat Tevinter if they tried.

[Broganisity]

I really expected somebody to post an Arishok meme. I am disappointed.

 

For you:

[Master Warder Z_]

Fenris and Iron Bull both seem to suggest that the Qunari are putting minimal effort into fighting the Tevinter. Fenris even suggests that the Qunari could easily defeat Tevinter if they tried.

God I hate defending Tevinter...but.

To invade and defeat Tevinter would require it to be single front war, that was what killed the Qunari war machine in the prior war.

They were simultaneously invading Rivain and before it had even fallen they tried a invasion of the free marches to take pressure off their crumbling campaign in Rivain.

All the while they were fighting Tevinter in the background.

In fact I'd speculate Tevinter managed to retake all it's lost territory primary because the Qunari were losing too much ground and personal to keep momentum.

From the way the Qunari wars were written of in WOT I'd say the Qunari's primary issue was overextending themselves and being unable to replace losses quickly enough.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

What?

It says hat sten is already preparing an invasion fleet of dreadnoughts. Guess the qunari invasion is coming soon

[TheDovah]

Whilst the Qunari would be outnumbered if they invaded THEDAS, they have superior technology to everyone and their miltary consists of those who are meant to be soldiers. Their only real foe is Teiventer and at the moment, it is implied that they're not really warring with the Imperium. Just keeping themselves occupied or giving the Ataam a reason to work instead of spending all day knitting and eating cookies. A small garrison of Qunari managed to almost overtake Kirkwall and Kirkwall had the Chantry's private army defending it. Admittly, they were a bit rubbish at stopping demons and blood mages but that's a whole different story.
 

Short answer: No.

[The Baconer]

Fenris and Iron Bull both seem to suggest that the Qunari are putting minimal effort into fighting the Tevinter. Fenris even suggests that the Qunari could easily defeat Tevinter if they tried.

 

WoT 1.0 stated that the Qunari already tried to stage a few land invasions (after the treaty conveniently rendered Tevinter their only active combatant) and were repulsed every time. I suppose when their next invasion starts in earnest we'll learn how much of that is truth and how much of it is bluster. 

[turuzzusapatuttu]

No.

 

There's no human army that  can be comparated to the mighty Antaam.

[X Equestris]

WoT 1.0 stated that the Qunari already tried to stage a few land invasions (after the treaty conveniently rendered Tevinter their only active combatant) and were repulsed every time. I suppose when their next invasion starts in earnest we'll learn how much of that is truth and how much of it is bluster.

That may have been their policy in the past, but it seems like the Qunari have been content to hold Seheron in more recent times. And while they've certainly had difficulty doing so, it seems like the rebels and Tal-Vashoth are harder to beat than the annual Tevinter offensives.

Whilst the Qunari would be outnumbered if they invaded THEDAS, they have superior technology to everyone and their miltary consists of those who are meant to be soldiers. Their only real foe is Teiventer and at the moment, it is implied that they're not really warring with the Imperium. Just keeping themselves occupied or giving the Ataam a reason to work instead of spending all day knitting and eating cookies. A small garrison of Qunari managed to almost overtake Kirkwall and Kirkwall had the Chantry's private army defending it. Admittly, they were a bit rubbish at stopping demons and blood mages but that's a whole different story.
 
Short answer: No.

The situation with Kirkwall is a special case. The Qunari were already inside of the city when they attacked, and the Arishok had moved his men into place when you go and talk to him.

During the Qunari wars, a united Thedas was able to push the Qunari back. It took a long time, and it cost a lot of lives, but it was done.

[Ashagar]

Honestly the Qunari's the biggest advantage is their tech edge which doesn't bode well for them in the long run as apparently they hadn't advanced their technology at all since they arrived on the scene centuries ago. Instead they try to assassinate anyone who makes notable technological advances that would threaten their technological superiority, likely something to do with the extreme rigidness of their society which stifles and likely even punishes innovation of any sort as being against the qun where everything's place is determined and anything that deviates must be dealt with. This is a society after all that the slightest questioning or doing something slightly different brings down the thought police to correct or break the *deviant* after all.

[myahele]

I'd have to say yes. The Qunari are better trained and designed and has more cohesion.

 

Thedas is comprised with multiple countries and each country has its own style of fighting. And each country also have different factions that are more or less motivated by self interest.

 

If Kirkwall could be sacked by a small group of Qunari who's ship sunked, then imagine a whole bunch of them

[Mihura]

At the moment it depends, if Gaspad and Anora for example and so on are the rulers it is possible to have a good balance.

The Qunari do have the advantage when it comes to technology, spies and navy but I really doubt they have the men and womenpower of thedas. Also their way of life does have some restriction that do not allow them to go full out, which is something that the rest can exploit.

Let us not forget that in therms of magic development Thedas is a lot more advance for several reasons.

[In Exile]

Almost certainly the opposite is true. The Qunari have a true professional and standing army, the entirety of which they train from possibly birth. I can't recall if we know when roles are assigned but the essence of it is that those roles are largely unchangeable. So the Qunari have a core of professional soldiers with more training than even an IRL solider, at least in time spent training. They also have an army that - because of their deal with Tevinter and their conquests of Seheron and Par Vollen - sees a substantial amount of combat. While that obviously leads to mental health issues (and we see that openly with the IB) it also leads to a relatively veteran fighting force, which also happens to be well trained. 

[SilentK]

Fenris and Iron Bull both seem to suggest that the Qunari are putting minimal effort into fighting the Tevinter. Fenris even suggests that the Qunari could easily defeat Tevinter if they tried.

 

Hmmm....

 

This is something that I always wondered about. If you remember the qunari mage Ketojan in Dragon Age 2. His handler had a remote control stick to keep him leashed.

 

 

 

Quest DA2: Shepherding Wolves

 

Video of the incident: Linky to youtube   ( 10 min if you only want the remote)

 

Mage Hawke can touch it without harm but Ketojan is clearly affected by it. Now that is some really interesting things to have if you are fighting mages, but I do not know how it works. Since the Tome of Koslun was so important it makes sense that the Qun would send the best they had after it.

 

So what does it take in order for the remote to work. Is it something you clasp on, think A'dam from Wheel of Time or is it something you ingest? However I can clearly see this being distruptive to Tevinter. One or two remotes and handlers placed on strategic people in Tevinter could to a lot of damage. Extra irritating that the only ones safe from remote controlling are the pesky people not gifted with magic.

 

We will see what happens. Would very much like to know if Iron Bull has some knowledge on these or if they were above his level on the need to know list. Bet Dagna would love to study one of them.

 

But jupp, those things creeped me out. Don't think that my Mage-Quizzy will like them either. The Templars might, or the Chantry. However, they must be useful as a secret weapon for the Qun.

 

 

Idle musings at 2.30 in the morning.

 

edit: added that Ketojan was a qunari mage

[Ashagar]

its also a force that's likely by the nature of the culture and religion extremely inflexible compared to their enemies, that sets given that creative and inventive people tend to get corrected or have their minds broke by the Qun's thought police. As Ironbull noted a number of your companions like Varric, Sera and others would have their minds destroyed by the Qun's thought police and given Solas's story about the baker, this is a culture and religion that views even the slightest deviation and creativity in even something as minor baking as something that has to *corrected*.

 

That doesn't bode well for flexibility on the battlefield while their enemy won't be limited by such religiously and thought police enforced rigidness.

[helpthisguyplease]

 As we know their technology is combated by the mages so its not that big of a deal they have canons mages have firebals so they are not so special. What makes the difference is martial might tactics, logistics, and equipment. And does the Qun have any advantage over the Thedas countries?