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[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Tevinter has been managing to hold them at bay all these years, without any help from the southern countries.

Gloria ad Imperium! Tevinter Invicta!

[Master Warder Z_]

Gloria ad Imperium! Tevinter Invicta!

Actually I think the greatest blow to the Qunari in modern years since the war was ironically done by the Champion.

He did off the head of their military in single combat.

[helpthisguyplease]

Actually I think the greatest blow to the Qunari in modern years since the war was ironically done by the Champion.

He did off the head of their military in single combat.

Again normal human against the strongest soldier in Qun army. Look at Stan after a little over a year in fighting against the Blight he was strong enough to become the new Arishok. You all get what I mean that their training is lacking they train all their life their life is all about war and fighting and yet when they are against templars or grey wardens they lose and its not like they train less then the ones I mentioned.

[Mikka-chan]

Hawke and Alistair were both able to defeat the Arishok in single combat, yes.  But I would consider that more a sign that 'Hawke and Alistair are actually pretty badass' then the Qunari military is bad.

 

I'm sure well trained badass individuals can hold out against individuals in the Qunari army, certainly.  And, honestly, I'd put my money on Thedas's mages over Qunari mages (excluding stupid Venatori mages, who have mastered the art of teleportation and barrier and apparently nothing else): yeah, throwing around lightning is awesome, but in general Thedas's mages are better trained (if they were trained, of course).  The Qunari are too wary of their mage/things to teach them specializations for instance, it seems, while Thedas's mages can heal, do the arcane warrior/knight enchanter deal, and oh yes, mana clash.

 

But in an army versus army scenario?  I would definitely put my money on the Qunari.  Simply put: in most armies, you have a lot of people who have signed up For The Glory (they will be disappointed), Because They Have Nowhere Else To Go, To Live Up To Expections... so on, so forth.  For the Qunari, they are there Because it is their Purpose.  I am sure there are Qunari with doubts (just like Iron Bull), but they aren't the majority.  On the other hand, I would say your average person in the Ferelden army is not there Because it is Their Purpose; many of them are trying their hardest and doing their best, but I'm guessing in a life or death fight against the Qunari a lot of them will be thinking "Oh Maker, are my significant other/children/parents/people I love okay?".  There's nothing wrong with thinking that: in fact, I think that's a fairly respectable way to think.  But just as it can lead to some feats of awesome (though sadly not as many as media tells us... then again, Dragon Age is media, hm), when your opponents are relatively unworried and calm about their fate... that can be a bad thing.

 

I am also willing to guess that the Qunari spend more time training their soldiers then most armies spend training theirs, simply because the goal of most armies is to 'defend' while the goal of the Qunari is 'invade'.

 

Also, cannons.  Those *suck*.

 

 

If a word got censored, it was baddonkey.  If not, nevermind!

[The Hierophant]

Again normal human against the strongest soldier in Qun army. Look at Stan after a little over a year in fighting against the Blight he was strong enough to become the new Arishok. You all get what I mean that their training is lacking they train all their life their life is all about war and fighting and yet when they are against templars or grey wardens they lose and its not like they train less then the ones I mentioned.

Hawke is not your average fighter (Flemeth mentioned this when they first met) and being the Arishok a general doesn't mean they're physically or skill wise the strongest warrior within their military. The Qunari potentially having a better trained military doesn't mean that all their individual warriors are superior to Thedas'.

[X Equestris]

As we know their technology is combated by the mages so its not that big of a deal they have canons mages have firebals so they are not so special. What makes the difference is martial might tactics, logistics, and equipment. And does the Qun have any advantage over the Thedas countries?

Their navy seems to be far superior.

[Bad King]

Qunari armies consist of men who are meant to fight according to the Qun: that is considered their place. Their armies are born and bred to fight and supported with advanced cannon technology. The only advantages that Thedassian armies have over them are superior magic and superior numbers.

[Bad King]

Actually I think the greatest blow to the Qunari in modern years since the war was ironically done by the Champion.

He did off the head of their military in single combat.

 

And yet this ending leads to a better outcome for the Qunari than the alternative: if you hand Isabella over, they lose the Tome of Koslun again and the Arishok is court-marshalled and replaced anyway.

[In Exile]

Actually I think the greatest blow to the Qunari in modern years since the war was ironically done by the Champion.

He did off the head of their military in single combat.

 

I don't think so. The Qunari operate on insane troll logic. They don't use people to the Tal-Vasoth because those were never Qunari sort of absurdity. 

[fhs33721]

I think it greatly depends on what military organization of thedas you look at. The qunari are pretty much better trained than normal Thedosian soldiers. But special orders like the templars, the chevaliers,the grey wardens or even something like the crows might be quite on par orwith the qunari battle-prowess, maybe above it. Remember that crows, and templars mostly get trained from childhood as well and chevalier training seems to be hard as f*ck as it's described in  "The masked Empire". And grey Wardens only recruit bada*ses to begin with so there's that.

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't think so.

I meant in terms of their international image.

They violate the treaty and then their main war leader is killed in the following battle.

I bet Tevinter had a parade.

[dragonflight288]

I don't think Thedas really has a unified military. It's separated by nations, and some nations may not even have a full on, standing army. Orlais has the Chevaliers, the Chantry has/had the Templars and Circles, and other nations may act differently. Like Orzammar has a Warrior Caste, but some warriors swear fealty to a certain noble house.And Tevinter would have a standing army because they've been at war with the qunari off and on for hundreds of years now.

 

I can't say with any degree of certainty who is the strongest. I do know that the last time the Qunari invaded, it took an alliance of nations to push them back. 

[Lumix19]

I don't think so. The Qunari operate on insane troll logic. They don't use people to the Tal-Vasoth because those were never Qunari sort of absurdity.

It's not that insane, it's a bit like Way of the Open Palm, you can't be in harmony with the world unless you know your place in it. And their place was as a Tal-Vashoth, it was their destiny. And if they can be recaptured and successfully re-educated then that's their place, their destiny. That doesn't make much sense but regardless I kind of get it. Perhaps that's why so many Tal-Vashoth turn into raging maniacs (although their blood may have something to do with it), maybe it's just expected, the Tal-Vashoth are bloodthirsty beasts so that's the role that Tal-Vashoth take on. Even Bull seems scared he'll fall into that role.

[Br3admax]

Again normal human against the strongest soldier in Qun army. 

Again, I was unaware Thedas military was made up of PCs and Dragon Kings. I was also unaware that this is the definition of "normal." 

[Master Warder Z_]

The real issue is numerical in nature.

We have no indicators of the size of standing professional armies across Thedas.

Presumably they would be small, made up mostly of levies and conscripts and bolstered by mercenaries and individual private armies.

[helpthisguyplease]

Again, I was unaware Thedas military was made up of PCs and Dragon Kings. I was also unaware that this is the definition of "normal." 

First even Sten has the blood of a dragon why is it more special on Alistair. Was it not implied in DAI that the Kosun are related to dragons?

[Ashagar]

Qunari armies consist of men who are meant to fight according to the Qun: that is considered their place. Their armies are born and bred to fight and supported with advanced cannon technology. The only advantages that Thedassian armies have over them are superior magic and superior numbers.

 

You forgot another thing Thedassian armies being likely capable of flexible tactics unlike the Qunari and being able to freely think unlike the Qunari who apparently punish free thinking and creativity.

[dragonflight288]

You forgot another thing Thedassian armies being likely capable of flexible tactics unlike the Qunari and being able to freely think unlike the Qunari who apparently punish free thinking and creativity.

 

If you think about it, the Qunari are a lot like the Turians, at least militarily. Or even the Protheans.

 

Highly disciplined and skilled, but not very flexible. In Mass Effect, Pinnacle Station, Admiral Ahern talks about how teaching a turian how to adapt is near impossible, but it is doable. And Javek talks about how the protheans greatest weakness against the reapers was their inability to adapt to new situations since they relied on a very rigid approach and wiped out others, or their military strategies because they were deemed inferior and evolution dictated the order of things. 

[Bad King]

You forgot another thing Thedassian armies being likely capable of flexible tactics unlike the Qunari and being able to freely think unlike the Qunari who apparently punish free thinking and creativity.

 

The fact that the Qunari are the most technologically capable race seems to contradict this. In fact, doesn't Sten suggest that the Qun encourages enquiry and learning? They might rigidly encourage a particular paradigm or worldview, even indoctrinating the unwilling into accepting it, but from that platform they encourage enquiry into the laws that they believe underpin the world and society. A quote from a codex entry on qunari:

 

Existence is a choice. There is no chaos in the world, only complexity. Knowledge of the complex is wisdom. From wisdom of the world comes wisdom of the self. Mastery of the self is mastery of the world. Loss of the self is the source of suffering. Suffering is a choice, and we can refuse it. It is in our power to create the world, or destroy it.

 

So while arguing against the position that there is no chaos in the world (the underpinnings of the Qunari paradigm) might be deemed heresy, as long as this position is accepted, the Qunari are encouraged to enquire into and debate the specifics of what this complexity is. This would explain why the Qunari are so scientifically advanced. With this in mind, it's highly likely that the Qunari encourage a similar form of free thought relating to the analysis of the complexity and diversity of warfare and how to understand and master it, so I imagine that they understand a highly diverse range of strategy and tactics.

[Ashagar]

The fact that the Qunari are the most technologically capable race seems to contradict this. In fact, doesn't Sten suggest that the Qun encourages enquiry and learning? They might rigidly encourage a particular paradigm or worldview, even indoctrinating the unwilling into accepting it, but from that platform they encourage enquiry into the laws that they believe underpin the world and society. A quote from a codex entry on qunari:

 

 

So while arguing against the position that there is no chaos in the world (the underpinnings of the Qunari paradigm) might be deemed heresy, as long as this position is accepted, the Qunari are encouraged to enquire into and debate the specifics of what this complexity is. This would explain why the Qunari are so scientifically advanced. With this in mind, it's highly likely that the Qunari encourage a similar form of free thought relating to the analysis of the complexity and diversity of warfare and how to understand and master it, so I imagine that they understand a highly diverse range of strategy and tactics.

 

Except apparently they haven't advanced their technology at all since they arrived centuries ago in Thadas after the Kossith apparently drove them out, instead they keep using the same technology they used then and instead have assassins assassinate or attempt to assassinate any inventors that might create advances that would threaten the Qunari's tech advantage. That Dwarven inventor from awakenings he's in hiding because of Qunari Assassins that are trying to kill him because of his invention. Instead I believe the Qunari got their technology from the Kossith before they were driven out which is why .

[X Equestris]

First even Sten has the blood of a dragon why is it more special on Alistair. Was it not implied in DAI that the Kosun are related to dragons?

All qunari are suspected to be, but not all humans are. Thus Alistair is an above average human in several respects.

[Bad King]

Except apparently they haven't advanced their technology at all since they arrived centuries ago in Thadas after the Kossith apparently drove them out, instead they keep using the same technology they used then and instead have assassins assassinate or attempt to assassinate any inventors that might create advances that would threaten the Qunari's tech advantage. That Dwarven inventor from awakenings he's in hiding because of Qunari Assassins that are trying to kill him because of his invention. Instead I believe the Qunari got their technology from the Kossith before they were driven out which is why .

 

The truth is that we don't actually know how much their technology has improved since they arrived in Thedas as they're highly secretive about it and we've yet to have a proper, detailed glimpse into Qunari society. It's possible that your speculation is correct, but given that the Qun demonstrably encourages scientific enquiry and analysis (more than any other societal ideology in Thedas excepting the dwarves) I'm inclined to believe that many of their innovations in technology, strategy and tactics are derived from the Qun itself.

 

Edit: some quotes relating to this topic:

 

From the codex entry on the Qun:

 

Existence is a choice.

There is no chaos in the world, only complexity.

Knowledge of the complex is wisdom.

From wisdom of the world comes wisdom of the self.

Mastery of the self is mastery of the world. Loss of the self is the source of suffering.

Suffering is a choice, and we can refuse it.

It is in our own power to create the world, or destroy it.

 

From DA2's codex entry on the Qunari:

 

Few among the Qun's people speak the common tongue, and fewer speak it well. In a culture that strives for mastery, to have only a passable degree of skill is humiliating indeed, and so they often keep quiet among foreigners, out of shame.

 

Quote from Tallis:

 

Doubt is the path one walks to reach faith. To leave the path is to embrace blindness and abandon hope.

 

Quote from Sten:

 

Wisdom is like breath. You need it but no other can give you theirs. It's everywhere. In every moment of eternity there is a chance to find it. You have only to reach for it.

[Master Warder Z_]

Their dreadnoughts are apparently much more fragile then previously purported.

Paper mache

[dragonflight288]

Their dreadnoughts are apparently much more fragile then previously purported.

Paper mache

 

Not necessarily.

 

But like the ships of the 1500's through 1800's, the biggest weakness they have is their gunpowder magazine. It goes off then she goes down to Davy Jone's locker.

 

Hence why it is weak to mages, who can summon fire easily and hit the ship hard. 

[Augustei]

Lets see you Surfacers Qunari included, Take on The Veterans of the Orzammar Warrior caste while backed up by the Legion of Steel

Seriously though, I got the impression the Qunari went through much more rigerous training than most, Excluding perhaps the Chevaliers