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[Silvair]

And yet the Alliance has a spaceworthy military comparable to those of races that have been out there for thousands of years, and has developed the most advanced spaceship ever constructed only a few decades after first contact with those races. And I don't know, the poor galactic reputation seems mostly a fact of being the new kid in town. What I really don't understand is how humanity can possibly afford to colonize so aggressively and maintain such a military if they can only work effectively for less than half of their total lifespans.

okay let me rephrase. Outside of the MILITARY humanity is just one giant disaster.

 

I think it mostly just comes down to the fact that humans are the least specialized, re: most diverse species, combined with sheer numbers, that lets them expand so much despite a "meh" lifespan.  But same flaw remains as with all human fiction (and reality, to an extent): humans are overly ambitious.  We see something we want and go gunning for it with no foresight on long term consequences, which is part of why the galactic community is hesitant about humanity, but also afraid to push us into a "total war" situation because we already match Turians, who are a fully militarized species, with only like 5% of ours being in the military.  If the other 95% of humanity was drafted, humanity would absolutely steamroll the entire galactic community.  Heck we probably could have solo'd the reapers if that were the case.

[themikefest]

.  Heck we probably could have solo'd the reapers if that were the case.

Looking at the war assets for the Alliance and ex-Cerberus, humanity would defeat the reapers without having help from the rest of the galaxy

[o Ventus]

Looking at the war assets for the Alliance and ex-Cerberus, humanity would defeat the reapers without having help from the rest of the galaxy

Just my multiplayer characters alone would solo the entire Reaper armada and still have EMS left over for Shepard to survive the Destroy ending.

[Han Shot First]

I don't think EMS actually counts for much lorewise. It's just a gameplay mechanic that determines what version of a particular ending you get.

[Silvair]

I don't think EMS actually counts for much lorewise. It's just a gameplay mechanic that determines what version of a particular ending you get.

we are talking about if it did.

[ladyvader]

Canon Shepard is twenty-nine years old when he's made a Spectre. Now, at this point medicine has advanced so far as to give the average human a life expectancy of a hundred and fifty years. Assuming an average real life expectancy of eighty, that makes Shepard fifteen years old!

 

Legally, modern fifteen-yearolds aren't even trusted to drive or drink in most first-world countries, but this teenie bobber is handed the keys to the most advanced warship in the galaxy? Has this been addressed at all?

 

Going by the age of the protagonist alone, Mass Effect could have been an intergalactic high school drama. At least that explains all the hormones flying around.

The only response I can come up with. 

 

[ThomasBlaine]

The only response I can come up with. 

 

 

Thank you for your valuable and insightful input.

[BioWareAre****s]

 

 

I still think 29 is proportionately pretty young for Spectre status, but maybe they're using the Turian template since their lifespans are "comparable to that of a human". The average turian might be more mature and certainly more disciplined than the average human at age 29.

 

 

 

I actually got thinking about turian lifespans recently, and they make no sense. Saren was a Spectre for more than 20 years, meaning he either became one very young, or is some kind of freakishly healthy OAP. I know that he's got all of the Reaper tech that his boyfriend Sovereign gave him, but surely the Council would have forced retirement on him by then? I mean, the guy's gotta be 50.

Although, I've noticed on my most recent playthrough that a lot of ages / timelines haven't been thought through very well. A few humans in their late twenties / early thirties seem to have had grandparents that were in the alliance - 26 years earlier. Either people are having children incredibly young or the First Contact War was fought by fifty to sixty-something grandparents.

[aoibhealfae]

Since the lifespan for human extended to 150 years old by late 21st century or early 22nd century... I reckoned the retirement age for was extended too. Heck, we don't exactly know how old Hackett is.

 

I don't think Spectres have a live expectancy that was long enough to reach retirement age. 

[BioWareAre****s]

Since the lifespan for human extended to 150 years old by late 21st century or early 22nd century... I reckoned the retirement age for was extended too. Heck, we don't exactly know how old Hackett is.

 

I don't think Spectres have a live expectancy that was long enough to reach retirement age. 

 

Hackett is 49 in ME1. Given that, I would assume that although the retirement age will have been extended, I doubt anyone would be able to stay in active service for much longer than they can now. The way I see it - and this is just my opinion - although people live longer they don't necessarily stay young for as long as you'd think. I would imagine that your average 60 year old in ME would be like a modern 45 year old, an 80 year old like a 60 year old, etc.. I think you'd get to middle age and then stay there for a veeeerrrrry long time. So I don't really buy all of the 'my grandfather fought in the First Contact War!' stuff. Middle age is still middle age and you don't belong on a battle field if you can barely remember where you left your glasses...

[ThomasBlaine]

I actually got thinking about turian lifespans recently, and they make no sense. Saren was a Spectre for more than 20 years, meaning he either became one very young, or is some kind of freakishly healthy OAP. I know that he's got all of the Reaper tech that his boyfriend Sovereign gave him, but surely the Council would have forced retirement on him by then? I mean, the guy's gotta be 50.

Although, I've noticed on my most recent playthrough that a lot of ages / timelines haven't been thought through very well. A few humans in their late twenties / early thirties seem to have had grandparents that were in the alliance - 26 years earlier. Either people are having children incredibly young or the First Contact War was fought by fifty to sixty-something grandparents.

 

Saren is specifically noted to have joined the Turian military very young, and to currently be the longest serving Turian Spectre. He is 44-45 years old by ME1, having served as a Spectre for 24 years, meaning that he became one at 20-21. So yeah. Apparently he was just that good.

 

Ashley's grandfather looks to be around 35-40 at the time of the First Contact War in the comics, or wherever his wiki picture is from, if she's the one you're thinking about. That would make him around 60-65 by ME1 had he lived, where Ashley is 25-26. So unless he is a lot older than he looks, he and Ashley's father must both have had children a little earlier than 20 on average. You're right that that's a bit unrealistic unless one of them fathered a child in his teens, and not his late teens at that.

 

Hackett is 49 in ME1. Given that, I would assume that although the retirement age will have been extended, I doubt anyone would be able to stay in active service for much longer than they can now. The way I see it - and this is just my opinion - although people live longer they don't necessarily stay young for as long as you'd think. I would imagine that your average 60 year old in ME would be like a modern 45 year old, an 80 year old like a 60 year old, etc.. I think you'd get to middle age and then stay there for a veeeerrrrry long time. So I don't really buy all of the 'my grandfather fought in the First Contact War!' stuff. Middle age is still middle age and you don't belong on a battle field if you can barely remember where you left your glasses...

 

Problem is that Hackett looks like a very fit 60-yearold... at 51. Meaning that you don't necessarily get to stay young for any longer at all. So based on that it seems more like people can live just under two thirds of their lives as old people now.

[MrFob]

 

Problem is that Hackett looks like a very fit 60-yearold... at 51. Meaning that you don't necessarily get to stay young for any longer at all. So based on that it seems more like people can live just under two thirds of their lives as old people now.

 

Nope, I think in Ascension, it is stated that Kahlee Sanders is in her late 40s and looks like 30-35 (or something like that, don't remember the exact numbers they used). IIRC, they also mention that humans are productvefor longer than they used to.

 

I guess Hackett has just gotten old quickly. There are differences on how well people age, depending on genetic predisposition and stress factors. There are people today, who get grey hair in their early to mid 30s, etc. Anderson for example is only 3 years younger than Hackett, look at him (especially in ME1.

[ThomasBlaine]

Nope, I think in Ascension, it is stated that Kahlee Sanders is in her late 40s and looks like 30-35 (or something like that, don't remember the exact numbers they used). IIRC, they also mention that humans are productvefor longer than they used to.

 

I guess Hackett has just gotten old quickly. There are differences on how well people age, depending on genetic predisposition and stress factors. There are people today, who get grey hair in their early to mid 30s, etc. Anderson for example is only 3 years younger than Hackett, look at him (especially in ME1.

 

There are women in their fifties who look thirty today, but almost every human character in the games looks their actual age or older, including Hackett, Kaidan, Ashley, Anderson, Udina and male Shepard. I'm pretty sure humans in ME don't look any younger than they used to. Where did you read about the productivity? That's interesting.