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[SACanuckin Oz]

A few glaring omissions (or at least explanations why they don't feature) in the game so far for ME:

 

Hushed Whispers/Champions of the Just

1. The Circle of Magi of Ferelden - where are they? Why is the mages in Reddcliff (which is close to Lake Calynhad) led my a mage from Orlais (Fiona is from the Circle of Montsimmard). I find it  bizarre that Irving isn't even mentioned in a codex. He seemed a fairly important npc in DAO, along with the events that transpired in Broken Circle.

 

2. The Ferelden Grey Wardens - given that the Hero of Ferelden rebuilt the order in Amarantine at Vigil's Keep, it seems equally strange that there are no Ferelden Grey Wardens encountered, heard of, or seen during the game.

 

3. The Ferelden Army - it's only been 10 years since the blight, and whether you supported Alistair or Anora, you'd think they would be one of the first to support an inquisition fighting a blight-like threat (especially if an ex-Grey Warden - who should have felt the calling caused by Corypheus....). Instead, they just evict the mages from Redcliff, and vanish. Interesting decision, eh

 

Wicked Eyes & Wicked Hearts

4. Why should we care about Briala? There is no explanation in the game as to why we should want her and Celene to reconcile, and she doesn't really do anything that would make any inquisitor want to forward her cause, or help reconcile her with Celene, unless they are the very altruistic type... And yes, I realise there are books written about these two, but not everybody (i.e. me in this case) feels the writers are good enough to read books in order to play a video game... There should be some in-game explanation, eh!

 

5. If Vivienne is the court enchanter, and apparently influential advisor to Celene, why does she have NO special dialogue or role during this entire chapter?? She just stands there in boring "official outfit", when I would have expected her to dress up as Madame de Fer, and play some role getting the inquisiotion court approval. This really seems lazy story writing. All that buildup to make her seem important, and then, bleh, no role for you. Instead, enter stage Morrigan. Just wow, badly done.

 

6. Morrigan's outfit post Halamshiral.. Haha. So, after living in Orlais (the fashion capital of the southern lands, if not all of Thedas) Morrigan still wears her tattered "Robes of Possession". Seriously! She is a mother (role model issues), and representative of the Orlais Court to the Inquisition. You'd think she could afford an upgrade. Or is she clinging to her youth?

[X Equestris]

1. The whole Circle system has dissolved, fracturing into a thousand pieces. Fiona is Grand Enchanter, that's why she's leading the rebels.

2. Notes found on the Storm Coast seem to imply the Wardens of Ferelden headed to Adamant. The Warden Commander of Ferelden is a different person from the HoF/Orlesian Warden Commander.

3. Ferelden's nobility does offer some limited support, but it's in their own holdings.

4. Support for racial equality, most likely. I agree that the players in Orlesian politics should have had a bit more info about them in game. However, I can vouch for the quality of The Masked Empire, if you desire to read it.

[turuzzusapatuttu]

So, Morrigan's outfit is a "plot hole"?

 

[In Exile]

So, Morrigan's outfit is a "plot hole"?

 

 

I actually think this is a semi-legitimate point, in the sense that - ignoring the fact this is a game and that's her iconic outfit - she wouldn't pick something a little different looking, like the dress she wore at the Winter's Ball. It's not as if her DA:O outfit is that functional. 

[X Equestris]

5. Viv does have a few lines of special dialogue. However, as you don't have to take her along, it would be a waste of resources to make a lot of things some might never see.

6. It's simply a signature outfit. And this is no plot hole.

[PsychoBlonde]

I actually think this is a semi-legitimate point, in the sense that - ignoring the fact this is a game and that's her iconic outfit - she wouldn't pick something a little different looking, like the dress she wore at the Winter's Ball. It's not as if her DA:O outfit is that functional. 

 

It's her Official Adventuring Clothes.  It helps get her psyched up for Adventuring.

 

Also she's super-proud that they still fit.

[SACanuckin Oz]

6. True, it's not really a plot hole, but it still qualifies (imho) as bizarre. Haha. You have noticed the location of Skyhold? Up on a high mountain, in the snow. She is obviously made of sterner stuff than most. Good on her.

 

2. Thanks for the feedback on the wardens - it must have been one of those walls of text we are supposed to read every time we pick up a codex entry. I must have skipped it, as I have some degree of ADD when playing games.

 

5. I must have missed those lines. I took her along specifically because you'd think she's connected. I can't stand her otherwise. And adding one or two lines, etc. should not be that difficult. And there is no explanation as to how she was supplanted (or missed) by Morrigan. As a First Enchanter, you'd think she'd be able to spot a fellow magic user

[Boost32]

Do you really want to know a plot hole? Cullen is a walking plot hole.

One of his first conversation is how he doesnt agree to what the Templar Order is doing and thats why he left them.
In the book Asunder, Lord Seeker Lambert summon every Knight-Commander, all 15 of them went to the meeting, when Lambert proposed to them to leave the Chantry, all 15 Knight-Commanders agreed. Do you know who was the Knight-Commander of Kirkwall at the time? It was Cullen, so he went there and accepted Lambert's proposal, but after a few months he decided to leave the Order because they were doing something that he voted in favor.

And you know who were the first red templars? They were from Kirkwall. Hawke discovered they were using red lyrium, if Hawke supported the templars in DA2 they even attacked Hawke, forcing him to flee the city. And what Cullen, their leader, did? Nothing! You cant even confront him about it and for some reason people think he is a great leader, even when his subordinates transformed into red templars.

EDIT: I forgot about Lyrium withdrawal and how they handwaved it. Do you remember when it made templars lunatic, like the templar in Howe's dungeon? Now its just cause a headache and a few nightmares, but you still fit for duty! And if Cullen stop using lyrium and the Inquisitor sided with the templars, they all stop using lyrium and nothing happens to them! I wonder if they did this for him to be romanceable, because its superb wiriting right there!

[Melbella]

And you know who were the first red templars? They were from Kirkwall. Hawke discovered they were using red lyrium, if Hawke supported the templars in DA2 they even attacked Hawke, forcing him to flee the city. And what Cullen, their leader, did? Nothing! You cant even confront him about it and for some reason people think he is a great leader, even when his subordinates transformed into red templars.

 

Not sure if that is more about Cullen or Hawke, but it is definitely an inconsistency between their two stories. I did a double-take when I heard Hawke mention the Kirkwall Templars were using red lyrium. My first thought was, "And how did Cullen not know this??!" My second thought was, "How could they be that stupid?" after seeing what happened to Meredith. I wonder if it's just a badly placed throw-away line for Hawke when they couldn't think of any better reason for him/her to not be Viscount anymore.

[Boost32]

Not sure if that is more about Cullen or Hawke, but it is definitely an inconsistency between their two stories. I did a double-take when I heard Hawke mention the Kirkwall Templars were using red lyrium. My first thought was, "And how did Cullen not know this??!" My second thought was, "How could they be that stupid?" after seeing what happened to Meredith. I wonder if it's just a badly placed throw-away line for Hawke when they couldn't think of any better reason for him/her to not be Viscount anymore.

This is simply bad wiriting, there is no way it could have happened without no one knowing.

If Hawke sided with the mages he discovered the templars in Kirkwall started using red lyrium, so how Cullen cant know?

If Hawke is the Viscount and the templars ambushe him, the red were either a small force that Hawke and the City Guard would easily dispatch then or they were a large Force that made Hawke go into hiding, but if they were a large force how the F did Cullen not know?

[PsychoBlonde]

Do you really want to know a plot hole? Cullen is a walking plot hole.

 

 

Not to mention that it's technically possible to KILL him.

 

I love the guy, but I think the one we got in DA:I was transported in from an alternate timeline of some kind.  Or he's Thedas' version of Dr. Who.

[Lumix19]

Do you really want to know a plot hole? Cullen is a walking plot hole.

One of his first conversation is how he doesnt agree to what the Templar Order is doing and thats why he left them.
In the book Asunder, Lord Seeker Lambert summon every Knight-Commander, all 15 of them went to the meeting, when Lambert proposed to them to leave the Chantry, all 15 Knight-Commanders agreed. Do you know who was the Knight-Commander of Kirkwall at the time? It was Cullen, so he went there and accepted Lambet's proposal, but after a few months he decided to leave the Order because they were doing something that he voted in favor.

And you know who were the first red templars? They were from Kirkwall. Hawke discovered they were using red lyrium, if Hawke supported the templars in DA2 they even attacked Hawke, forcing him to flee the city. And what Cullen, their leader, did? Nothing! You cant even confront him about it and for some reason people think he is a great leader, even when his subordinates transformed into red templars.

EDIT: I forgot about Lyrium withdrawal and how they handwaved it. Do you remember when it made templars lunatic, like the templar in Howe dungeon? Now its just cause a headache and a few nightmares, but you still fit for duty! And if Cullen stop using lyrium and the Inquisitor sided with the templars, they all stop using lyrium and nothing happens to them! I wonder if they did this for him to be romanceable, because its s superb wiriting right there!

Just to clarify, Lambert actually points out that any Knight-Commanders who disagreed would keep silent or be replaced. So Cullen may have either been replaced or just left after he realized the direction the Templars were going in disagreed with his own. Or by the time Lambert called the meeting he had already left the order. If Lambert calls the meeting in 9:40 and Cullen was made Knight-Commander in 9:37 that leaves three years for him to leave and an indeterminate time after that for Kirkwall's Templars to start taking red lyrium.

This is simply bad wiriting, there is no way it could have happened without no one knowing.
If Hawke sided with the mages he discovered the templars in Kirkwall started using red lyrium, so how Cullen cant know?
If Hawke is the Viscount and the templars ambushe him, the red were either a small force that Hawke and the City Guard would easily dispatch then or they were a large Force that made Hawke go into hiding, but if they were a large force how the F did Cullen not know?

You're underestimating the red Templars' strength remember? Three red Templars can (lore-wise) take down 12 people, more if they're going full strength like Meredith did. It's possible it was a small force.

[KaiserShep]

You're underestimating the red Templars' strength remember? Three red Templars can (lore-wise) take down 12 people, more if they're going full strength like Meredith did. It's possible it was a small force.

 

Man, one Red Templar Shadow can wipe out half of Kirkwall. F**k those guys, man.

[Lumix19]

Man, one Red Templar Shadow can wipe out half of Kirkwall. F**k those guys, man.

So true. They remind me of all those rogues in DA2 who would kick you in the face, teleport behind you and knife you the ribs until you're basically dead. At least Shadows don't teleport though.

[KaiserShep]

So true. They remind me of all those rogues in DA2 who would kick you in the face, teleport behind you and knife you the ribs until you're basically dead. At least Shadows don't teleport though.

 

Lol I used to drop grenades when they did that, since it usually took them out of stealth. If I was a mage, I'd sometimes hit the telekinetic blast in hopes that it'll clear me from danger. Those bastards were slippery. Templar shadows don't teleport, but they did sometimes try to vanish and hit you from behind. The fact that you can see the point to strike helps though.

[tried2bmerciful]

In the book Asunder, Lord Seeker Lambert summon every Knight-Commander, all 15 of them went to the meeting, when Lambert proposed to them to leave the Chantry, all 15 Knight-Commanders agreed. Do you know who was the Knight-Commander of Kirkwall at the time? It was Cullen, so he went there and accepted Lambet's proposal, but after a few months he decided to leave the Order because they were doing something that he voted in favor.

Wasn't Cullen just Knight-Captain, not Knight-Commander?

[Digger1967]

6. True, it's not really a plot hole, but it still qualifies (imho) as bizarre. Haha. You have noticed the location of Skyhold? Up on a high mountain, in the snow. She is obviously made of sterner stuff than most. Good on her.

 

2. Thanks for the feedback on the wardens - it must have been one of those walls of text we are supposed to read every time we pick up a codex entry. I must have skipped it, as I have some degree of ADD when playing games.

 

5. I must have missed those lines. I took her along specifically because you'd think she's connected. I can't stand her otherwise. And adding one or two lines, etc. should not be that difficult. And there is no explanation as to how she was supplanted (or missed) by Morrigan. As a First Enchanter, you'd think she'd be able to spot a fellow magic user

 

I think a bigger plot problem is why the Wardens would all sign off on such an incredibly stupid plan to begin with - but that might just be me.  Pretty much the same with the Lord Seeker, no real explanation as to what caused him to go off the deep end, and again equally mysterious as to why Fiona would sign off on the deal with Alexius since he literally has nothing to offer of any value to the rebels.

 

Also the whole time travel thing causes some serious plot issues, but most of those have already been hashed and re-hashed without much success.  As for the outfit.. I didn't play DAO or DA2 so didn't know it was iconic - just struck me as being the sort of thing a male game designer would come up with for a female character because it really is about as impractical as you can get for adventuring wear.

[Siha]

The Iron Bull and about every piece of his personal quest are one single inconsistency too, in addition to being a plot hole because they completely contradict what we've learned of the Qun before. (Talis was already, but might be justified somehow. Bull however is a Qunari male and seems to follow some very different line of thinking than Sten in DAO.)

 

I agree with most of the criticism that was pointed out here and enjoyed reading it, nodding all the way.

 

I still enjoyed the game a great deal.

[Master Warder Z_]

Wasn't Cullen just Knight-Captain, not Knight-Commander?

He was acting Knight Commander until his recruitment.

It's a issue I have with the narrative.

[Boost32]

Just to clarify, Lambert actually points out that any Knight-Commanders who disagreed would keep silent or be replaced. So Cullen may have either been replaced or just left after he realized the direction the Templars were going in disagreed with his own. Or by the time Lambert called the meeting he had already left the order. If Lambert calls the meeting in 9:40 and Cullen was made Knight-Commander in 9:37 that leaves three years for him to leave and an indeterminate time after that for Kirkwall's Templars to start taking red lyrium.

When Cassandra invited him to join the Inquisition he was the Knight-commander of Kirkwall (http://i.imgur.com/BztHllY.jpg), when he left the Order, Hawke was already gone and the rebellion had already happened.

You're underestimating the red Templars' strength remember? Three red Templars can (lore-wise) take down 12 people, more if they're going full strength like Meredith did. It's possible it was a small force.

And Hawke commanded the entire city guard, they could handle a few reds.

Wasn't Cullen just Knight-Captain, not Knight-Commander?

He was promoted after Meredith's death.
You can hear a templar calling him knight-commander at Haven, when they are discussing with the mages who killed Justinia, and his introduction at Halamshiral, where he is called "former knight-commander of Kirkwall"

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

It's her Official Adventuring Clothes. It helps get her psyched up for Adventuring.

Also she's super-proud that they still fit.

Hells yes! The feeling of finally fitting into your old clothes months after popping out a kid is freaking awesome!

Though, what's his face is around 10 years old. But still, strut that post-baby body!

And yes, I did forget Morrigans kids name and yes, I am too lazy to look it up.

[Boost32]

Kieran

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

 

Kieran

 

Why, thank you Ser Boost. 

[Boost32]

Why, thank you Ser Boost.

No problem Lady Boomshakalakaboom.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

No problem Lady Boomshakalakaboom.

 

Lady Boom will do just fine.