Morrigan must've been thrilled to get out of that ridiculously hideous and impractical dress.
It looked suffocating, no wonder she went back to her rags. She needed to breathe, her cleavage even more so.
Besides, everything orlesian is pompous and tacky.
Or maybe it's nostalgia.
4. Why should we care about Briala? There is no explanation in the game as to why we should want her and Celene to reconcile, and she doesn't really do anything that would make any inquisitor want to forward her cause, or help reconcile her with Celene, unless they are the very altruistic type... And yes, I realise there are books written about these two, but not everybody (i.e. me in this case) feels the writers are good enough to read books in order to play a video game... There should be some in-game explanation, eh!
I think this is the case for Celene and Gaspard too. We just get really basic info for each of them:
Celene is the current Empress, was involved with an elf, and favours diplomacy/The Game
Gaspard is related to Celene, favours the military and hates the Game
Briala was involved with the Empress and wants to improve the lot of elves
I'm really glad I read the book first, because if I hadn't... For someone without the background info, the choices are a lot more simplistic, instead of meaty choices to chew on. Even something like reuniting Celene and Briala is a harder choice if you know their backstory. It's a shame, because the ball offers an excellent variety of outcomes (5, I think).
The Iron Bull and about every piece of his personal quest are one single inconsistency too, in addition to being a plot hole because they completely contradict what we've learned of the Qun before. (Talis was already, but might be justified somehow. Bull however is a Qunari male and seems to follow some very different line of thinking than Sten in DAO.)
I agree with most of the criticism that was pointed out here and enjoyed reading it, nodding all the way.
I still enjoyed the game a great deal.
From Gaat's own words, I got the impression that the Qunari were already iffy about Bull as it was, but let it slide because he was very good at his job, and were disinclined to get rid of a tool that worked.
If the Ferelden wardens were at Adamant wouldn't there have been two warden commanders?1. The whole Circle system has dissolved, fracturing into a thousand pieces. Fiona is Grand Enchanter, that's why she's leading the rebels.
2. Notes found on the Storm Coast seem to imply the Wardens of Ferelden headed to Adamant. The Warden Commander of Ferelden is a different person from the HoF/Orlesian Warden Commander.
3. Ferelden's nobility does offer some limited support, but it's in their own holdings.
4. Support for racial equality, most likely. I agree that the players in Orlesian politics should have had a bit more info about them in game. However, I can vouch for the quality of The Masked Empire, if you desire to read it.
The Warden Commander of Ferelden is the HoF.If the Ferelden wardens were at Adamant wouldn't there have been two warden commanders?
When Cassandra invited him to join the Inquisition he was the Knight-commander of Kirkwall (http://i.imgur.com/BztHllY.jpg), when he left the Order, Hawke was already gone and the rebellion had already happened. And Hawke commanded the entire city guard, they could handle a few reds.He was promoted after Meredith's death.
You can hear a templar calling him knight-commander at Haven, when they are discussing with the mages who killed Justinia, and his introduction at Halamshiral, where he is called "former knight-commander of Kirkwall"
In last flight it says that there is a new commander at Vigils keeps though.The Warden Commander of Ferelden is the HoF.
I like to think that my Warden took Oghren, Sigrun, Velanna and company with him to discover a cure for the Calling so that they weren't at Adamant.
It's also likely since we don't see any dwarves or elven grey wardens there....unless the ears are covered by the helmets.....
It's implied both in Inquisition and in Last Flight that Ferelden recently received a new Warden Commander. Likely as a replacement for the HoF/Orlesian Warden-Commander. This might simply be an acting commander, thoughThe Warden Commander of Ferelden is the HoF.
The letter he/she send to you is signed as Warden Commander of Ferelden: http://dragonage.wik...ero_of_Ferelden
Cingratulations, you found another plot hole.In last flight it says that there is a new commander at Vigils keeps though.
He is speaking with Cassandra (after Varric's interrogation) at the Knight-commander office.Am I missing something? Or did you post the wrong link? It just says "a few years after the Kirkwall Mage rebellion" that could be two, that could be four, it's not exact. And if you think about it the entire city guard wasn't that big to begin with, certainly smaller than the Templars (who likely stunted its growth). And 1 to 4 without taking a hit is pretty difficult odds. I can imagine a relatively small force chasing Hawke out. Especially if they do it guerrilla style.
Really? Don't remember it being implied in Inquisition.It's implied both in Inquisition and in Last Flight that Ferelden recently received a new Warden Commander. Likely as a replacement for the HoF/Orlesian Warden-Commander. This might simply be an acting commander, though
A few glaring omissions (or at least explanations why they don't feature) in the game so far for ME:
Hushed Whispers/Champions of the Just
1. The Circle of Magi of Ferelden - where are they? Why is the mages in Reddcliff (which is close to Lake Calynhad) led my a mage from Orlais (Fiona is from the Circle of Montsimmard). I find it bizarre that Irving isn't even mentioned in a codex. He seemed a fairly important npc in DAO, along with the events that transpired in Broken Circle.
2. The Ferelden Grey Wardens - given that the Hero of Ferelden rebuilt the order in Amarantine at Vigil's Keep, it seems equally strange that there are no Ferelden Grey Wardens encountered, heard of, or seen during the game.
3. The Ferelden Army - it's only been 10 years since the blight, and whether you supported Alistair or Anora, you'd think they would be one of the first to support an inquisition fighting a blight-like threat (especially if an ex-Grey Warden - who should have felt the calling caused by Corypheus....). Instead, they just evict the mages from Redcliff, and vanish. Interesting decision, eh
Wicked Eyes & Wicked Hearts
4. Why should we care about Briala? There is no explanation in the game as to why we should want her and Celene to reconcile, and she doesn't really do anything that would make any inquisitor want to forward her cause, or help reconcile her with Celene, unless they are the very altruistic type... And yes, I realise there are books written about these two, but not everybody (i.e. me in this case) feels the writers are good enough to read books in order to play a video game... There should be some in-game explanation, eh!
5. If Vivienne is the court enchanter, and apparently influential advisor to Celene, why does she have NO special dialogue or role during this entire chapter?? She just stands there in boring "official outfit", when I would have expected her to dress up as Madame de Fer, and play some role getting the inquisiotion court approval. This really seems lazy story writing. All that buildup to make her seem important, and then, bleh, no role for you. Instead, enter stage Morrigan. Just wow, badly done.
6. Morrigan's outfit post Halamshiral.. Haha. So, after living in Orlais (the fashion capital of the southern lands, if not all of Thedas) Morrigan still wears her tattered "Robes of Possession". Seriously! She is a mother (role model issues), and representative of the Orlais Court to the Inquisition. You'd think she could afford an upgrade. Or is she clinging to her youth?
1). Fiona was Grand Enchanter of the Circles and de facto leader of the rebellion, so she presides over all mages, regardless of their nationality. But yeah, it does suck that there was not even a mention of Irving in the game: the same can be said of Greagoir who is completely absent from the Templar quest even though he's Knight-Commander of Ferelden's Templars and the quest is set in Ferelden.
2). I believe they disappeared to Adamant along with their Orlesian comrades - the only one Leliana knows the location of is Blackwall, though you also see a couple in Crestwood who've been sent to apprehend the rogue warden so they aren't completely absent.
3). I believe the Ferelden army does collaborate with the Inquisition (and the Qunari if you saved the dreadnought) in fighting Venatori infiltrators in Denerim. The Ferelden army is likely still battered due to the civil war and blight, so it's understandable that they only collaborate with the Inquisition when their own immediate interests parallel the Inquisition's.
4). I felt that there was too little mention of the eluvian network in the game (which Briala controls): if she offered that as a bargaining chip to the Inquisition, I'm certain that more people would have seen the benefits of allying with her. As it stands, the game presents three reasons to ally with her: i) to force through progressive change in the Empire to reduce racism and inequality, ii) to have an ally who owes the Inquisition big time for being raised from nothing (Leliana implies that she'll be more loyal to the Inquisition than the other two as a result), iii) to make use of her army of infiltrators on top of the Orlesian military (could be useful in matching the Venatori).
5). Yeah, would have been great to have a lot more Vivienne dialogue in this mission. The problem is that the recruitment of certain squadmates is optional and can be done any time, so BioWare in this area have prioritised player choice over substance and content. I disagree with this: it would have been better for the story if the team had been compulsory so that they could put more effort into developing content for them that everyone sees.
6). Doesn't seem like that big a deal to me - according to the Last Court, she doesn't wear masks as she 'doesn't play games', implying that she disdains certain Orlesian customs. I assume she simply prefers her more humble forest attire of life to glitzy Orlesian fashion.
Do you really want to know a plot hole? Cullen is a walking plot hole.
One of his first conversation is how he doesnt agree to what the Templar Order is doing and thats why he left them.
In the book Asunder, Lord Seeker Lambert summon every Knight-Commander, all 15 of them went to the meeting, when Lambert proposed to them to leave the Chantry, all 15 Knight-Commanders agreed. Do you know who was the Knight-Commander of Kirkwall at the time? It was Cullen, so he went there and accepted Lambert's proposal, but after a few months he decided to leave the Order because they were doing something that he voted in favor.
And you know who were the first red templars? They were from Kirkwall. Hawke discovered they were using red lyrium, if Hawke supported the templars in DA2 they even attacked Hawke, forcing him to flee the city. And what Cullen, their leader, did? Nothing! You cant even confront him about it and for some reason people think he is a great leader, even when his subordinates transformed into red templars.
EDIT: I forgot about Lyrium withdrawal and how they handwaved it. Do you remember when it made templars lunatic, like the templar in Howe's dungeon? Now its just cause a headache and a few nightmares, but you still fit for duty! And if Cullen stop using lyrium and the Inquisitor sided with the templars, they all stop using lyrium and nothing happens to them! I wonder if they did this for him to be romanceable, because its superb wiriting right there!
If I recall correctly, Lambert booted out any King-Commanders that disagreed with him - perhaps Cullen was one of them? Or Lambert's meeting happened after he resigned? And I imagine the same is true of the Red Templars - they started taking in after Cullen left and Samson was put in command by Corypheus.
EDIT: Reading your post regarding Hawke's disappearance and Cullen's recruitment by Cassandra after Hawke fled from the red Templars, it appears that there is indeed a contradiction in the timeline, unless Cullen was incompetent enough to completely fail to notice the surge in red lyrium use by his own Templars!
About number five... honestly, I think it would have been better if they had all companions accompany you to the ball, and you simply chose three to be running around with you while you explored.
Dialog often implies that they were there, anyway. Dorian will always talk about the ham, Varric will always complain about his editor cheating him out, and Blackwall and Cole will always have the banter that implies Cole at least was at the ball (the 'So many masks!' one). (Admittedly, if Cole wanted to be at the ball, who would be able to stop him?)
I think those are the only ones that have dialog implying they were there (I know Cass and Viv have a banter that implies they were both there, but I've only ever seen it on a playthrough where, uh, they were both there... and Sera does seem to have knowledge about the three possible 'rulers', but she could have easily been informed by her people or someone else in the inquisition). So maybe that just means the 'canon' party is Dorian/Varric/Cole for that party, which is just odd.
It would have been simpler if they had all been hanging around, I think. Then Viv could have had her chance to shine, if nothing else. As it is, all she gets is a few unique lines and seems to have a bit better perspective on things.
Cullen was the knight-commander when Cassandra arrived at Kirkwall, so he wasnt booted and he didn't left yet.If I recall correctly, Lambert booted out any King-Commanders that disagreed with him - perhaps Cullen was one of them? Or Lambert's meeting happened after he resigned? And I imagine the same is true of the Red Templars - they started taking in after Cullen left and Samson was put in command by Corypheus.
I actually think this is a semi-legitimate point, in the sense that - ignoring the fact this is a game and that's her iconic outfit - she wouldn't pick something a little different looking, like the dress she wore at the Winter's Ball. It's not as if her DA:O outfit is that functional.
I would have expected something a little more functional, perhaps like "mother" wears.
[Edited for space]6). Doesn't seem like that big a deal to me - according to the Last Court, she doesn't wear masks as she 'doesn't play games', implying that she disdains certain Orlesian customs. I assume she simply prefers her more humble forest attire of life to glitzy Orlesian fashion.
At least she did put a bra on underneath the scarf - but in ten years, support wear becomes a little more necessary, neh?
Not to mention that it's technically possible to KILL him. (Cullen)
And Leliana as well in DA:O. For grins, I started a DA:I PT with a world state where Leliana is killed at the defilement of the Sacred Urn of Ashes.
This creates some additional lines of monologue in Haven. She accredits her resurrection to a miracle by the Maker. Hole sealed! Well, like the Breach, only sort of.
And Leliana as well in DA:O. For grins, I started a DA:I PT with a world state where Leliana is killed at the defilement of the Sacred Urn of Ashes.
This creates some additional lines of monologue in Haven. She accredits her resurrection to a miracle by the Maker. Hole sealed! Well, like the Breach, only sort of.
Cingratulations, you found another plot hole.He is speaking with Cassandra (after Varric's interrogation) at the Knight-commander office.
So he was the knight-commander and he didn't leave the Order yet.
Cassandra arrived at Kirkwall after the Mage-Templar war started, the vote had already happened, so Cullen wasnt replaced.
Hawke left Kirkwall before Cassandra arrival, so by the time Cullen left the templars were already corrupted.
Edit:
Really? Don't remember it being implied in Inquisition.
When Cassandra invited him to join the Inquisition he was the Knight-commander of Kirkwall (http://i.imgur.com/BztHllY.jpg), when he left the Order, Hawke was already gone and the rebellion had already happened.
And Hawke commanded the entire city guard, they could handle a few reds.
He was promoted after Meredith's death.
You can hear a templar calling him knight-commander at Haven, when they are discussing with the mages who killed Justinia, and his introduction at Halamshiral, where he is called "former knight-commander of Kirkwall"
This is actually based off some of your import choices--the templar during the mob scene in my game calls Cullen "Knight-Captain".
Cullen was the knight-commander when Cassandra arrived at Kirkwall, so he wasnt booted and he didn't left yet.
When Cassandra arrived Hawke was already gone, the corruption happened before Cullen left Kirkwall.
You're assuming Hawke never went BACK to Kirkwall during this time period.
At least she did put a bra on underneath the scarf - but in ten years, support wear becomes a little more necessary, neh?
She should have some stretch marks, too.
She should have some stretch marks, too.
When Cassandra invited him to join the Inquisition he was the Knight-commander of Kirkwall (http://i.imgur.com/BztHllY.jpg), when he left the Order, Hawke was already gone and the rebellion had already happened.
And Hawke commanded the entire city guard, they could handle a few reds.
He was promoted after Meredith's death.
You can hear a templar calling him knight-commander at Haven, when they are discussing with the mages who killed Justinia, and his introduction at Halamshiral, where he is called "former knight-commander of Kirkwall"
Cullen is promoted only if Hawke sided with the Templars
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