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[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Batman: Arkham Asylum is 8GB while Batman: Arkham Origins is 27GB. They have roughly the same amount of content and most would argue that Asylum is the better game. Filesize isn't really much of an indicator of game quality, nor length or content.

That said, DA 2 was a massive rush job that calls into question the writing and design ability of BioWare. Or whether they were ever that good, and just got lucky at the right time with BG in the mid 90s, and KotOR in the early 00s. That's kind of undeniable. New Vegas was made in less time with 1/3rd of the team that DA 2 had. Sure, New Vegas has bugs out the ass but I know what I'd rather play.

[DSiKn355]

@Catch This Fade

 

Just because you like a smaller game doesn't mean it has more content so as my question was about content your answer wasnt on point and biased obviously lol.

 

@Psychevore

 

Nice idea but a data size for a planet maps complete with monster/enemies and a on planet location is nowhere the same amount of data as flying by a planet and letting out a sonar radar ping lol.

 

The amount of content is not the same understand?

 

I am talking about laziness in the lack of producing content for the gamer.

[Dio Demon]

You my friend. Need to learn software.

 

Battlefield 4 was about 25 GB. I dare you to tell me that there's more content in Battlefield 4 then Mass Effect 1

[DSiKn355]

Batman: Arkham Asylum is 8GB while Batman: Arkham Origins is 27GB. They have roughly the same amount of content and most would argue that Asylum is the better game. Filesize isn't really much of an indicator of game quality, nor length or content.

 

No they are not plus you are forgetting better textures which require more data in Arkham Origins.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

you decide.

[DSiKn355]

You my friend. Need to learn software.

 

Battlefield 4 was about 25 GB. I dare you to tell me that there's more content in Battlefield 4 then Mass Effect 1

 

Did you just fail to consider textures?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Did you just fail to consider textures?

[Dio Demon]

Did you just fail to consider textures?

Did you just fail to consider compression and the advancement of technology?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Did you two fail to consider getting a room?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

FWIW, I think Inquisition has more content and a much larger world than Origins or DA 2, so this whole filesize debate is moot. Seeing as BioWare's always been weak at world design and quest design, it doesn't necessarily translate to a better game but I'm just sayin'.

So it's hard to make the claim that BioWare is lazy based on a decreasing amount of content in their games, when their latest game is probably the most content-filled in the franchise.

[Dio Demon]

Did you two fail to consider getting a room?

 

It's... not like I like him or anything! Baka!

[DSiKn355]

FWIW, I think Inquisition has more content than Origins or DA 2, so this whole filesize debate is moot. Seeing as BioWare's always been weak at world design and quest design, it doesn't necessarily translate to a better game but I'm just sayin'.

So it's hard to make the claim that BioWare is lazy based on a decreasing amount of content in their games, when their latest game is probably the most content-filled in the franchise.

 

Thanks

 

@Despair Demon

 

Lmao @Tsundere mode

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

 
It's... not like I like him or anything! Baka!

>tsundere
>not yandere

Leave immediately, pls.

[Dio Demon]

>tsundere
>not yandere

Leave immediately, pls.

Spoiler

 

 

Let me back in. I promise I'll only main you and leave you for dead... and probably kill you if I ever catch wind of you living. Nothing too serious.

[Dermain]

As an Asian, Jade Empire was incredibly triggering. If BioWare are going to depict Eastern fantasy in games, they ought to avoid so many of the racially insensitive tropes that were in the game.

In fact, I am going to make a video series, entitled Sino Signal, which goes through and outlines each and every one of these tropes. My main goal is to show how these harmful tropes become ingrained in our culture and how games cause and perpetuate racism. Anyone who disagrees with me is a racist, so don't even bother trying to tell me otherwise. That would be racial harassment.

 

 

Batman: Arkham Asylum is 8GB while Batman: Arkham Origins is 27GB. They have roughly the same amount of content and most would argue that Asylum is the better game. Filesize isn't really much of an indicator of game quality, nor length or content.

That said, DA 2 was a massive rush job that calls into question the writing and design ability of BioWare. Or whether they were ever that good, and just got lucky at the right time with BG in the mid 90s, and KotOR in the early 00s. That's kind of undeniable. New Vegas was made in less time with 1/3rd of the team that DA 2 had. Sure, New Vegas has bugs out the ass but I know what I'd rather play.

 

They were lucky.

 

On a side note, New Vegas was buggy simply because the engine it uses is a buggy PoS and always will be.

 

Did you two fail to consider getting a room?

 

You don't want to watch? 

Spoiler

 

 

Let me back in. I promise I'll only main you and leave you for dead... and probably kill you if I ever catch wind of you living. Nothing too serious.

 

Thank you for giving me a seizure.

[ruggly]

Lazy? I don't think so. I would say it's more of a lack of focus and ideas on where they really want to take their series (looking at you, ME trillogy).

[Rawgrim]

That assumes that there was competence in the past that isn't covered by nostalgia glasses.

 

Baldur's Gate 2 was an incompetent game, was it?

[Rawgrim]

FWIW, I think Inquisition has more content and a much larger world than Origins or DA 2, so this whole filesize debate is moot. Seeing as BioWare's always been weak at world design and quest design, it doesn't necessarily translate to a better game but I'm just sayin'.

So it's hard to make the claim that BioWare is lazy based on a decreasing amount of content in their games, when their latest game is probably the most content-filled in the franchise.

 

Filled with empty content, yes. Picking flowers, mining ore, and fetching rings isn't the pinnacle of great content. Its as shallow as it can get.

[wolfsite]

No, this is just the cyclical trend that happens with the fans.

 

People were calling Bioware lazy and other things when Dragon Age: Origins came out and placed Badlur's Gate on the pedestal of perfection.

 

Now things have shifted and people are calling Bioware lazy and other things with Dragon Age: Inquisition now out and are placing Dragon Age: Origins on the pedestal of perfection.

 

 

Frankly there will be peaks and valleys when it comes to content as Bioware will try different things to see if they work or not (as you just can't keep rehashing the same thing over and over).  Plus like every other developer they have there strengths and weaknesses.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

They were lucky.

That's largely the same conclusion I've come to since getting over DA 2. BG 1 and KotOR came at the right time for the industry and the success they've had since then were built on those two games. I mean to a large extent, you make your own luck so I'm not saying that BioWare is and has always been a studio of talentless hacks. But in the cold light of day, BioWare hasn't changed their formula up too much. It's just that gamers demand more now that less and less of their games can be cultivated or hidden by a player's imagination and massive lore excerpts. BioWare isn't adapting well to the advancement of technology. That said, I still think BG 2 is a fantastic game that improved on BG 1 on every conceivable level and deserves it's classic status. It's not a perfect game, in fact I think PoE is superior mechanically and in quest design, but I still like BG 2 much more. Maybe that's nostalgia, I don't know. I did replay it last year, so it's not like my glasses are entirely rose-tinted.

But BG 1 and KotOR were riddled with holes. They just happened to come at the right time. CRPGs in the mid 90s were going through a drought. The titans of the genre (Ultima, Might & Magic and Wizardry) were all quiet in the 1994-1998 period. Bethesda's Daggerfall nearly bankrupted the company, the Realms of Arkania games didn't really penetrate North America. The series sitting on the throne was Diablo, not the most traditional of RPGs.

In comes Baldur's Gate, backed by the AD&D ruleset, finding a compromise between Diablo's fast gameplay and the slower style of traditional RPGs, set in a very thick and lore deep setting that gamers could really sink their teeth into. Bam. Along with Fallout, it breathed life into the niche.

As for KotOR, that one is easy. Along with Morrowind, they were the first WRPGs that really flourished on the home console, setting out two distinct directions for the genre that people today still think are immutable - the open world RPG that uses the protagonist as a vehicle to immerse players in a world and the cinematic RPG that puts the player in the shoes of a protagonist in an interactive story with gameplay filler in-between sequences. KotOR was the first WRPG that I'm aware of that offered that kind of cinematic feel, and people's love of that game has been the driving point for the majority of BioWare's design direction since.

I still liked KotOR a heap even if I have very little good to say about BioWare today. I'm just not blind to it's numerous flaws and the direction it pointed at. As for the relevance of all that here in this thread, I don't like the "BioWare used to be better" mentality that's laid on really thick on these forums. To say that BioWare was radically different in their approach to making games and saying laziness is the reason for the decline, is a little lazy intellectually IMO.
 

Filled with empty content, yes. Picking flowers, mining ore, and fetching rings isn't the pinnacle of great content. Its as shallow as it can get.

Well, that's what I mean when I say BioWare isn't good with world design and quest design. It's still content, even if it's pointless or worthless content.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Baldur's Gate 2 was an incompetent game, was it?

yes

[Billy-the-Squid]

no, but the trolls have

I busy! I work at a chartered accountancy firm so I can't troll as much anymore

[Geth Supremacy]

the Bioware of "then" is nothing like the Bioware "now".

 

The people, the drive, the passion, the focus, the direction, the priorites, and on and on and on and on.  Completely different beast.  Is that a bad thing or a good thing?  Do you like DAO more or DAI?