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[Guanxii]

I never thought this would be possible but If Andromeda's species never had to contend with the Reapers wiping out sufficiently advanced organic and synthetic life every 50k years then Andromada's races could be billions of years old, perhaps as old and advanced as the reapers themselves if not more so. Out of the frying pan into the fire, right?

Think about it... any apex race which succeeded where the Leviathan's failed and provides irrefutable proof that the reapers were wrong about the nature of organic and synthetic life by existing for millions of years outside of the cycles is probably worthy of respect and fear.

Our new neighbors seem kind of scary.

[ZoliCs]

Who knows, it might be ruled by syntethics while organics are enslaved or wiped out.

 

I actually hope they do that. Otherwise Reapers will feel like a failure.

[BraveVesperia]

Who knows, it might be ruled by syntethics while organics are enslaved or wiped out.

 

I actually hope they do that. Otherwise Reapers will feel like a failure.

Could be something like that creepy synthetic race Javik talks about that enslaved their creators. Or hijacked their minds, or something. I can't remember, just that it freaked me out.

[Taki17]

Considering that we go to the new galaxy to colonize, and I doubt that'd be possible if a highly advanced civilization with millions of years of uninterrupted evolution and progress were present, simply because they'd have already settled most of the planets. Or maybe they require different enviroments than the Citadel races to survive, and they colonized planets with a different ecosystem/athmosphere.

 

What I think that there are some sapient races there, but they won't be as advanced as you think, they'll about the same technological level as the Citadel races. And who knows, maybe they were visited by the Reapers too. Or have something in their own galaxy that causes problems, like the Wraith in Stargate Atlantis. Is there anyone else thinking that the new ME setting could be something similar to Atlantis? With newer generation relays and such?

[Vortex13]

That's going to be one just one of the major issues facing a setting shift like this.


Either the races of Andromeda are intellectually incompetent, and despite having millions/billions of years to develop free of Reaper interference they still are less advanced than us.

Or the Reapers (or their 'Not-Reaper' counterpart) will have subjected Andromeda to the same cycles as the Milky Way.


Those are really the only two logical reasons why the species of Andromeda wouldn't be exponentially more advanced than us, and wouldn't just fry us with their mind bullets as soon as we tried to colonize one of their planets.

[RVallant]

That's going to be one just one of the major issues facing a setting shift like this.


Either the races of Andromeda are intellectually incompetent, and despite having millions/billions of years to develop free of Reaper interference they still are less advanced than us.

Or the Reapers (or their 'Not-Reaper' counterpart) will have subjected Andromeda to the same cycles as the Milky Way.


Those are really the only two logical reasons why the species of Andromeda wouldn't be exponentially more advanced than us, and wouldn't just fry us with their mind bullets as soon as we tried to colonize one of their planets.

 

That assumes they don't do what Humans, Krogan and a number of other species do. Fight amongst themselves.

 

Some species may have nuked their planets.

Other may have fought to such an extent that their technology is all based on ground, air, sea and satellite warfare rather than space exploration and colonisation.

 

What of those who don't go to war?

 

It may be they have exploited their planets natural resources to such an extent that it isn't economically viable or possible for them to even get off the ground. They may also have been set back or wiped out by diseases, bio-weaponary, natural disasters, other issues related to space (meteor impacts etc.) We see some of this with the Drell.

 

If they do unite and get into space what else could happen?

 

Colony wars? 

Wars with other species that set both of them back?

 

What of those with the technological know how?

 

Say they create AI, Robots or whatever. What is to say they haven't been held back by war or destruction from their synthetic creations. Or indeed, wiped out. 

 

Or perhaps there was an governmental policy of isolation and a general ambivalence to space-travel (Elcor). Or those who are planetarian and don't see the need to advance into space.

 

Those who are space-faring may well be technologically behind the Milky Way galaxy or they may very well be advanced in some different way, which will cause issues for the Milky Way Species. The difficulty in determining this is down to the fact that the MW species all garnered technology from the Reapers in the first place, substantial technology in fact that a small disk would be enough to project humanity's technological levels 300 years forward almost on par with other species ,but still nowhere near the level of the Reapers in the first place.

 

The Andromeda setting, in theory, allows the developers and designers to go a different route with the technology, assuming there's no Reaper presence in that area, all which would throw up considerable issues for the player, particularly if they have weapons like the Breen/Dominion encounters of Star Trek: DS9 and we have to get going on making counter-measures in time to fight back.

[SimonTheFrog]

Somebody who makes stars collapse via black energy would be pretty scary.

[Guanxii]

That's going to be one just one of the major issues facing a setting shift like this.


Either the races of Andromeda are intellectually incompetent, and despite having millions/billions of years to develop free of Reaper interference they still are less advanced than us.

Or the Reapers (or their 'Not-Reaper' counterpart) will have subjected Andromeda to the same cycles as the Milky Way.


Those are really the only two logical reasons why the species of Andromeda wouldn't be exponentially more advanced than us, and wouldn't just fry us with their mind bullets as soon as we tried to colonize one of their planets.

I like your not-reaper theory. The Prothean AI in ME3 suggests that the reapers are merely servants of a pattern or natural law of the universe which repeats itself in merely a different form in one way or another - perhaps the same is true of Andromeda.

[Guanxii]

Who knows, it might be ruled by syntethics while organics are enslaved or wiped out.
 
I actually hope they do that. Otherwise Reapers will feel like a failure.

It would be so depressing if all advanced organic life had been exterminated or zha'til'd by their creations. I would hate these things more than the reapers for proving them right.

[ZoliCs]

It would be so depressing if all advanced organic life had been exterminated or zha'til'd by their creations. I would hate these things more than the reapers for proving them right.

Imo it's preferable to having all those Cycles harvested for nothing. Dying for nothing is worse than dying for something.

[themikefest]

What could be worse?

 

Politicians

[ZoliCs]

Politicians

[themikefest]

 

So you need a gif to explain what you can't with words?

[ZoliCs]

So you need a gif to explain what you can't with words?

A picture is worth a thousand words, a gif is worth a thousand words times number of frames.

[themikefest]

A picture is worth a thousand words, a gif is worth a thousand words times number of frames.

Whatever

[Nitrocuban]

A post singularity AI not trying to conserve organic life but ending it once and for all?

A couple of strategically placed supernovae could steralize a whole galaxy.

[Han Yolo]

Who knows, it might be ruled by syntethics while organics are enslaved or wiped out.

 

I actually hope they do that. Otherwise Reapers will feel like a failure.

 

This would be brilliant!

[Nitrocuban]

Reapers ARE a failure. But it's not the Repears that failed, the actually do what they are told to do.

It's the Leviathans that screwd up big time.

[Navasha]

Personally, I think a non-technological species would be interesting. 

 

Think of something like Ender's Game, or Starship Troopers.    Giant bugs that are capable of interstellar expansion but don't rely on typical technology, hence sentient AIs were never developed.   They could have existed millions of years without much evolutionary pressure to make them change much.   Something that widespread and at the apex of survivability wouldn't evolve much if at all.   Think ants here on Earth.   They haven't changed much at all in millions of years.

[Mcfly616]

Hopefully nobody is worse than the Reapers. Bioware shouldn't try to make the next villains bigger and badder than the Reapers, just as they shouldn't try to make the next protagonist live up to Shepard being a galactic messiah.

[dreamgazer]

Bah, the stuff in Andromeda will be conveniently manageable. No worries.

[Jaquio]

Maybe we don't need spectacle creep.  Maybe we don't need the next game's villain to be an even bigger threat!!! than the reapers.

 

I have watched series after series after series get swallowed up and destroyed by this nonsense.  Whether it's books, television shows, movies, it doesn't matter.  This idea of "every threat has to be even bigger than the last" only ends up invalidating the substance of previous games, while straining the boundaries of the lore and the source material until it breaks.

 

Since other people discuss this issue better than I, here's a good link addressing the problems:

 

[Malanek]

That's going to be one just one of the major issues facing a setting shift like this.


Either the races of Andromeda are intellectually incompetent, and despite having millions/billions of years to develop free of Reaper interference they still are less advanced than us.

Or the Reapers (or their 'Not-Reaper' counterpart) will have subjected Andromeda to the same cycles as the Milky Way.


Those are really the only two logical reasons why the species of Andromeda wouldn't be exponentially more advanced than us, and wouldn't just fry us with their mind bullets as soon as we tried to colonize one of their planets.

I don't agree. Once a species reaches a certain level of technological advancement it is entirely possible there goals change considerably. What is the point of enslaving evolving civilizations? Wouldn't it be more interesting to watch and study them? Eventually it would reach a point where the meaning of their existence is questioned and they might evolve into something else entirely. It sounds to an extent this is what has happened to the Remnant.

[RVallant]

Maybe we don't need spectacle creep.  Maybe we don't need the next game's villain to be an even bigger threat!!! than the reapers.

 

 

 

Indeed, there should be enough problems from within that there shouldn't need to be too many issues from without. But the issue would mostly revolve around who they can 'focus' as the main antagonist for the players. So far, I think the trilogy has done well in having multiple elements in play at any one time, so I think ME;N should be fine in this respect.

 

I'd like to see more political stuff going on, colony groups can always be ravaged by particular extreme sects.

[CrutchCricket]

Bigger Jaws.