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[ZoliCs]

Could be the fate of the Remnant. Remember when Sovereign said they were infinite, no beginning, no middle, no end? We all thought it was a veiled threat, it's possible this is what it meant.

The Reaper Relay network could go on forever... every galaxy could have it's own Relay network connected via the citadels/conduits/catalysts. That wouldn't necessarily mean that the entire universe would be within our reach - only where life has triggered the relays and found their citadels.

We assumed that they hibernated, maybe they just reap and construct more relays and reapers in the off season and check in back home every 50k years. Perhaps we've only seen the tip of the iceberg.

 

That's a possiblity, but from a writing point of view that would be very shallow.

[Guanxii]

That's a possiblity, but from a writing point of view that would be very shallow.

Shallow perhaps, I'd probably use the term cheap. I don't want to see BioWare reuse reapers again - maybe years down the line if the extent of reaper relay network and their continued existence outside of MW is slowly pieced together. What appeals to me about this is it's a way of explaining intergalactic travel in a way that uses and builds on the existing lore - doesn't require paint-drinkly stupid pseudo science.

[SwobyJ]

Where comes the assumption that Reapers' wouldn't harvest other galaxies?

 

Because while I admit that anything is possible here, the framing in the trilogy was that:

1)The Leviathans only ruled the Milky Way, not beyond it, and did not express interest in beyond the Milky Way

2)The Reapers/Intelligence were using the Milky Way as an experiment, so even if the experiment's successful results could apply beyond the Milky Way, there is no evidence that the Reapers have multiple experiments happening at once, but instead they focus on the Reaping cycle within this one galaxy

3)The Reapers conserved energy by sleeping in dark space between galaxies, to be awoken by their vanguard, Sovereign

4)While godlike in power for the Milky Way, the Reapers may in fact be aware that they could be small fries in the supercluster/universal/multiuniversal(?) scale*, so they act relatively safely and efficiently and keep their experiment restricted to the Milky Way until results are found (given that time matters little to them)

 

Any new information could come up, and things are left vague enough on all 3 of those points for that to happen, but still, the framing of the trilogy story does not give us any information about anything happening beyond the Milky Way. At best, we get little hints like from TIM "Against the Reapers.. and beyond", but that doesn't really indicate that the Reapers have/have had a presence in other galaxies.

 

 

Personally, I consider the Reapers like the DA Templars in a few regards - important for the sense of order over the Milky Way/Southern Thedas, but even if they had influence over other galaxies/Northern Thedas, it was limited at best (Tevinter Templars, Anderfels' remoteness and focus on Wardens instead, Qunari land, Rivain's apathy for Templars, etc).

 

I'd less believe that the Reapers harvest other galaxies as I would wonder that individual Reapers had the agency to sometimes explore other galaxies for information and technology, not reaping of organics.

 

In fact, I'd kind of like that. 100% haters of Reapers (as in people who resent and reject any lore information that doesn't show the Reapers as either complete monsters or completely malfunctioning robots) would chafe at it, but it would be an interesting message to see that the Reapers as a faction/its leading figures never held any actual malevolence for organics and could even deal with them outside the Milky Way if deemed necessary (like Cerberus dealing with the Council/aliens regardless of their human-supremacy intent). Never means we should ever side with them, but it'd be a nice tie to the trilogy and give us Reaper lore (which can be made relevant to some secondary and primary plotlines) without the next game being a 'Reaper Story'.

 

 

EDIT: *The awe indoctrinated organics may feel for the Reapers is still legitimate in the story. It may be understood as one of the only ways that a lesser organic mind may comprehend anything of the Reapers' while still connected to them neurally, and it may be understood as a useful tool for the Reapers to keep organics pacified. I don't think anything in the trilogy story actually declares the Reapers as gods, but the line in ME2 that explains 'god as a verb' is potentially significant. My point is that the Reapers, despite their quasi-religious aspect, definitely don't need to be the be-all-end-all of 'power' in the Mass Effect universe, and there can be powers well beyond even them. At the same time, I wouldn't personally mind if story aspects of the Reapers stuck around (just not emphasized anymore), and I'm open to several routes Bioware could take with that.

[Torgette]

Or this 

 

 

You're welcome Bioware.

[Larry-3]

What if we go to the other galaxy and find Commander Skywalker gathering war assets for the Alliance -- to unite the galaxy against the evil Galactic Empire that is slowly subjegating the galaxy. Just think, the Alliance fights over a forest planet, there is a big space station. The Alliance shoots the red core, a big explosion happens... no wait... that is Star Wars... nevermind.
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[Oldren Shepard]

Saving life by extinguishing it. Sure, makes perfect sense. 

How many generations have had endure extremists kill them or send them into exile, how much history and human lives have been lost or destroyed by our own hands. They are preserving the life and knowledge of all those earlier races, not in a way that many accept as you

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Who knows, it might be ruled by syntethics while organics are enslaved or wiped out.

 

I actually hope they do that. Otherwise Reapers will feel like a failure.

 

And we return to the Milky Way with our heroic plot to gather the knowledge and parts to build an intelligence to resolve the disputes between synthetics and organics according to a set of laws, and give it the power to do whatever it needs to do so long as it preserves organic life at all costs, and set it up in the Milky Way so that what we saw in Andromeda never happens.

[Oldren Shepard]

And a broken clock still serves it's purpose twice a day.

The Reaper's goal/motivation was lousy writing that makes no sense. If it wasn't lousy writing they wouldn't have needed to introduce a God character in the last 10 minutes of the trilogy to serve as an exposition machine.

There is no god, is the representation that takes the A.I. made but those giant creatures (aka leviathans) to talk to shepard.

You accept that there are many races, that let this human take such responsibilities and decisions, but you couldn't imagine that an A.I. thats been long before, could take the form of memories from the person with is about to talk.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There is no god, is the representation that takes the A.I. made but those giant creatures (aka leviathans) to talk to shepard.

You accept that there are many races, that let this human take such responsibilities and decisions, but you couldn't imagine that an A.I. thats been long before, could take the form of memories from the person with is about to talk.

Not to mention said A.I. is the leader of the Reapers, beings who have been shown to be able to enter the minds of others. 

[Oldren Shepard]

A theory requires evidence though. This is actually just an idea you had. If there were evidence that this might be the case it would be a valid theory. Otherwise not. The games tell us that the Reapers just go into sleep mode in dark space between cycles so that is what we must conclude until there's evidence to the contrary.

sovereign was one left behind  to make rounds and see how the galactic society was evolving. You didn't play the first.

[Oldren Shepard]

The ability to travel to and colonize the entire galaxy undercuts the Reapers plan of designing how intelligent races spread throughout the galaxy. We can just go anywhere we want, meaning the Reapers would have to scour every inch of the galaxy every 50,000 years. It's entirely moronic.

Have you played the trilogy?,  I supposed, Javik said it, in their cycle the harvest lasted centuries and each civilization take the citadel as the center of their government for being the center of the mass relays, their archives have place in the citadel therefore sovereign like i suppose they have done in all other cycles, open up the citadel and gaining access to all their info.

[KaiserShep]

I would imagine that there would occasionally be a lull during certain cycles, since evolution is not so orderly that space-faring civilizations would develop in regular intervals, provided that sentient life capable of establishing a civilization even crops up in any meaningful numbers. Just the same, I wonder what would happen if the reapers successfully eradicated any plans left behind by other cycles and their trap was invulnerable to tampering. Would they just harvest until all that's left are basic animal life? After all, preserving life doesn't need to really be any more specific than that.

[saladinbob]

What's worse than the Reapers? Bioware's writing department it seems.

[Golden_Persona]

What's worse than the Reapers? Bioware's writing department it seems.

Writing department... as in the two people who were tasked with writing the endings while all the other writers who have each left their mark and made ME the series we all love or at one point loved, were left out? That's who you're aiming at, two people out of an entire team. Gotta love those blanket statements though...

[Cheviot]

I would imagine that there would occasionally be a lull during certain cycles, since evolution is not so orderly that space-faring civilizations would develop in regular intervals, provided that sentient life capable of establishing a civilization even crops up in any meaningful numbers. Just the same, I wonder what would happen if the reapers successfully eradicated any plans left behind by other cycles and their trap was invulnerable to tampering. Would they just harvest until all that's left are basic animal life? After all, preserving life doesn't need to really be any more specific than that.

You mean in a situation where there wasn't a species in the galaxy that reached the technological level needed to find the Relays and use them?  The Reapers would probably wait until they did, since they were concerned about preserving sentient life.  Non-sentient life wasn't the kind of crop they were looking for.

[We'll bang okay]

Mass effect's version of the Covenant. what invaded the milky way So we go to Andromeda to fight/hold them off. 

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

What could be worse?

 

Politicians

 

They are the weed of the galaxy, after all.

[Massa FX]

I think some people will be unhappy regardless of the story, the antagonists, the species, the settings/locations, the music...

 

I'll be happy as long as Shepard isn't vilified in any way and the protagonist is someone I can respect.  Because I did respect FemShep and there's some big shoes to fill (for me).

[Ambivalent]

A renegade Shephard + reapers.

 

Make "control" ending canon and we'll have a some nice galaxy saving war against Shephard.

 

Hero became villain, a fallen angel etc. People love that stuff if it's well done.

 

Ah also he/she already saved galaxy a few times already so i'm pretty sure he/she has own followers, supporters, even believers. 

 

So yeah, a bad ass Shephard controlling the Reapers is pretty worse than reapers.

 

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[spinachdiaper]

It's not about making a bigger and more powerful villains and monsters than what the reapers were, it's about creating a creatable and imminent threat to the survival of the core group of characters and the existential representations of said group. That being said, they better not have an annoyingly incompetent enemy like Star Trek Voyager's Kazon.