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[Inquisitor Recon]

They sure do to me. But more importantly, they both taste terrible.

And both the BSN and tumblr are terrible, although tumblr is a bit worse.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

#OFFENDED #TRIGGERED #LOOKRAPED #MANPOSTING #YOUROPPINIONENDSWHEREYOURPENISSTOPS.

Nah i preffere BSN here you can tell when the BS is intentional or not.  

[Commander Rpg]

I can't say I prefer Facebook, where my dearest italian countrymen blaspheme for every freaking event in their life. Frequently associating a filthy animal you get bacon from, to the name of God.

[Angry_Elcor]

however those people seem to be drowned out by all the mudslinging, Ad-Hominem attacks, derailment attempts, dank memes and strawman arguments from other posters (such as yourself) in this thread, to claim not to see these posts is just rampant dishonesty on your part and there is no point arguing with somebody who will make up bullshit from thin air to support their argument.

 

That's funny. I haven't argued anything with anyone. Or made anything up. Or even attacked you or your opinion. I don't believe that I even know what your opinion is, so I certainly don't have any kind of objection to it. And yet, strangely, you have attributed to me what appears to be an entire political opinion and agenda. I'm curious, on what do you base these claims?

 

What, exactly, is this argument that I'm making up bullsh*t to support, as you say? What is my political position, and in what way have I argued or defended it? Having my views explained to me by a stranger on the internet is a new experience for me, so I want to make sure that I don't miss any details you tell me of what my opinions are.

 

 

 

since you have nothing of value to add to the thread and have no wish to engage in the discussion at hand then I would ask you to kindly bugger off.

 

Well, I figured you were just trolling, but now you've gone and tried to hurt my feelings. I guess we aren't going to be besties, then. Still, I can't help but point out that you don't appear interested in engaging in the discussion at hand, but I didn't tell you to bugger off.

 

Heck, I believe I technically encouraged you to actually engage in legit discussion along with the people who had, but instead, it would appear you're more interested in calling me out for my argument... whatever that is.

[Queen Skadi]

 

But the dictionary only serves to perpetuate the oppression of women and minorities through defining words colored through a masculine and caucasian lens!

 

So that means I can ignore what the actual definition of the word is since it doesn't fit my agenda!

 

Patriarchy!

 

 

 

But it's not equality when the other side gets representation too! That doesn't come nearly close enough to fueling my irrational hate-filled agenda!

 

 

 

It is threads like this that remind me of the fact that BSN has become diet Tumblr. From the perverted fan art to hitting things with the Social justice bat for progressiveness for the sake of progressiveness. Plus the mentality of taking something away from the "patriarchy" and molding it into something more pleasing to them.

 

Wow that didn't take long, you guys are so petty and pathetic it is hilarious, can't even go 5 pages without derailing this thread by moaning about social justice issue, bloody hell I swear you guys have some serious issues you need to work out.

[Queen Skadi]

I disagree. The two are linked(couldn't think of another word). If you change one, you have to change the other. Just changing one side of the equation is unfair because you like it. Equality has to come in. Both of the sexes have to be represented.

 

Not sure I agree but I am willing to listen you your argument for the assertion, remember the issue has nothing to do with equality or social justice issues that demand equal representation of the sexes in any given thing lest it leaves somebody feeling left out, artistic mediums and video games should not have such restrictions placed upon them. It would be the same if you were to argue for a male Link and Male Zelda, I would not necessarily get behind the idea but that does not mean I don't respect the opinion of the person who would want to see that nor do I have any arguments to make that such a thing can't happen.

 

But provided you actually do have a valid argument as to why Link and Zelda have to be opposite sexes to each other (though if you are going to address this then I suppose we have to ask the question of where Ganondorf factors into this as he would arguably be linked to them as well) I would like to hear it?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

witch is why i suggest a new character.

lets say something armored

 

But the alternate colours could work.

 

[TheChris92]

If the OP had inclined to take the discussion seriously her/himself first, then it most likely wouldn't have derailed as far as it have -- Minded, it'll probably still be baiting for trolls, as is the risk of anything related to this whole subject. 

 

In regards to the actual discussion. What would the point be in a female Link? What different perspective could that possibly bring to Legend of Zelda? Given that Link has no personality beyond disgruntled gurgling, shrieking and facial expressions, he doesn't say a whole lot. So outside of the aethsetic difference, it doesn't seem to add a lot of perspective which couldn't have been achieved with a male Link. Given his rather androgynous look, as people have pointed it out, it beckons as to whether it really is that big of a deal if there's no story to tell around it.

You don't design a character around whether she's male or female, otherwise it'll most likely come off as disingenuous, it should come as a second priority, where the designer would then contemplate as to whether a female or male would be ideal for the story they want to tell.

 

In fact, Moris from Dontnod Entertainment said something interesting.

 

 

Moris has brought up the Gamergate controversy in the same context as an example of "a great debate to have", but puts emphasis on that "we’re not pretending to address the issue or use the issue to stand out from the rest. We’re just making the games we want to make and characters that are suitable for the story; in this case with 2 female characters". During a Reddit AMA, co-game director Michel Koch reiterated, "To be honest we ... really think that the gender of a main character is quite irrelevant when creating a good story

 

I've also said it before -- If they were to make a female lead in a Zelda game, I'd imagine it'd be better to come up with an original character.

[Queen Skadi]

By the way, milady, where did those quotes come from? I don't see them on the last couple pages. So this thread seems to have gone five pages without the quoted derailment you speak of. You didn't make those up, did you? That would just be weird.

 

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[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Can we get back to posting R63?

This is R63 soooo?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

[TheChris92]

I'm still wondering if OP is ever gonna respond to that reply of mine in the "Recommended RPG" thread assuming he/she actually wanted to discuss it.

 

Reezy is a respectable gentleman, I'll have you know.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

[Queen Skadi]

I'm still wondering if OP is ever gonna respond to that reply of mine in the "Recommended RPG" thread assuming he/she actually wanted to discuss it.

 

You will have to remind me what that post was and why it is critical that I respond?

[TheChris92]

You will have to remind me what that post was and why it is critical that I respond?

It's not critical, at least not to me, but you seemed desperate for wanting an answer as to what the deal is with "Shin Megami Tensei/Persona" and why it is popular, and why people would recommend it, despite the rather questionable preconceptions you brought forth.

[Seraphim24]

Not sure I agree but I am willing to listen you your argument for the assertion, remember the issue has nothing to do with equality or social justice issues that demand equal representation of the sexes in any given thing lest it leaves somebody feeling left out, artistic mediums and video games should not have such restrictions placed upon them. It would be the same if you were to argue for a male Link and Male Zelda, I would not necessarily get behind the idea but that does not mean I don't respect the opinion of the person who would want to see that nor do I have any arguments to make that such a thing can't happen.

 

But provided you actually do have a valid argument as to why Link and Zelda have to be opposite sexes to each other (though if you are going to address this then I suppose we have to ask the question of where Ganondorf factors into this as he would arguably be linked to them as well) I would like to hear it?

 

I must confess I don't really understand your purpose here.. it seems like it was originally to suggest that there was a separate concept which Nintendo was working on for a female central character in the Zelda series and didn't arise due to pressure from outside sources or the like, and whether or not people wanted to see it.

 

Honestly the only answer to give to that IMO is "uh, sure?"

 

Like.. what else do you want?

 

As for why I'm here, I can tell you that I absolutely disrespect the opinion of the person who wants to randomly just gender bend or sexually change characters on a whim (and without changing anything else substantively), that is utter bullsh***, if you want those kinds of characters (which I might not have a problem with at all, in fact, might want to see) make it yourself (not saying that's you though).

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Come to think of it, why did you even make this thread? Zelda is based JRPG.

Ita the Gender representation thing.