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[MisterJB]

The Architect claims to have sent a force of darkspawn to Vigil's Keep to negotiate with the Grey Wardens. However, some things do not add up.

1-Rowland claims that there was a talking Darkspawn with powerful magic leading the Darkspawn force. However, when you encounter The Whitered, he is not a mage. This suggests the Architect himself was there.

2- The Whitered says "it has ended just as he foretold" suggesting that the Architect predicted the battle would happen and the Darkspawn would win. This brings into question he later claim that he failed to foresee the Wardens would react violently to the Darkspawn.

3-Why send a force strong enough to take the Keep if he wished for peace?

 

If he is lying about this, what else is he lying about? Maybe about not being aware of his origins as an Ancient Magister...

 

 

 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I hadn't caught the "powerful magic" thing, nor did "It has ended just as he foretold" raise as many red flags to me as it should have. However, I have previously pointed out on these forums that the Architect's claim that this was a diplomatic probe that went horribly wrong doesn't square with everyone else's claims that there was a sneak attack that took the Vigil before anyone knew what was happening. I've also pointed out that his claim that the Wardens who were brought to him were already dead doesn't seem to square up with the fact that Keenan is still alive when we meet him.

[Cyrus Amell]

Agreed with Riverdale, unless an oversight during development of Awakening is to blame, the Architect certainly lies to the Warden's face on at least one of his claims (Keenan) if not also his "fumbled diplomacy" claim. 

 

The Architect's lies are clearly a last ditch effort to gain the trust of the Warden to pursue a common enemy, the Mother. I believe that the Architect saw the Mother as such a threat that he would no just stand aside and let the Warden go at it alone lest he risk losing his only opportunity to see her destroyed. To my mind this brands him as a total control freak - he could have just stepped aside and let the Warden take on the Mother but instead he (the Architect) had to take an active hand. 

 

Whatever the consequences of our actions in letting him live or die, I always kill the Architect with the final justification of these blatant lies. 

 

Also, I notice the first three posts on this page have the same tattoo for their Warden, and the same color too. That's just... typical.

[SgtSteel91]

The Architect orders The Withered to make contact with the Leader of the Grey Wardens (someone see's that the Magic Darkspawn is giving orders to other Darkspawn). The Withered misinterprets the order and brings an army to kill everyone but the Warden Commander, so when the Warden gets to The Withered, "it has ended just as he had foretold" because hey, the leader of the Grey Wardens is here so now we can begin the talks! 

 

It's just a misunderstanding and Darkspawn trying to wrap their heads around conventional morals, I don't think The Architect meant any harm to the Wardens.

[springacres]

Doesn't matter whether he's lying or not.  I don't trust him.  Thus, he's going to end up dead in most of my playthroughs.

 

(My DN wardens might see things differently, though.  Hey, there's a chance that taking his deal might spare Orzammar...)

[sylvanaerie]

Either the continuity team was sleeping on the job, or the Architect's story continues to not add up against the evidence to the contrary.  We're dealing with a mindset completely alien here.  If he is an ancient magister, like Corypheus, he's been a darkspawn so long he no longer thinks like a human.

 

Because of his earlier lies, I don't believe a word he's saying at all throughout the entire story.  My wardens killed him with extreme prejudice.

[andy6915]

Either the continuity team was sleeping on the job, or the Architect's story continues to not add up against the evidence to the contrary.  We're dealing with a mindset completely alien here.  If he is an ancient magister, like Corypheus, he's been a darkspawn so long he no longer thinks like a human.

 

Because of his earlier lies, I don't believe a word he's saying at all throughout the entire story.  My wardens killed him with extreme prejudice.

 

I kill him because of how incompetent he is. He caused the blight? HE DID?! Accidental or not, he dies. If you accidentally kill someone, you get charged with manslaughter. Different from murder, but still bad. Well he caused a freaking blight. I don't care what your reasons are, that is worthy of execution. If he did indeed do it by accident, if a problem that big can be caused by him without meaning to... He's either too dangerous or too stupid to live.

[springacres]

Well he caused a freaking blight. I don't care what your reasons are, that is worthy of execution. If he did indeed do it by accident, if a problem that big can be caused by him without meaning to... He's either too dangerous or too stupid to live.

How about both?  With a side of arrogance thrown in for good measure?

Modifié par springacres, 24 avril 2015 - 05:58 .

[TEWR]

To be fair, The First wasn't a mage either, but he still used powerful magic that was gifted to him by The Mother. So just because we didn't personally see any magic employed by the First doesn't mean he wasn't capable of magic, as Darkspawn are by their nature a sort of magical being.

 

 

3-Why send a force strong enough to take the Keep if he wished for peace?

 

A lone Darkspawn approaching a fortress run by Grey Wardens and manned with soldiers to the core who still have memories of the Blight fresh in their minds?

 

Under those circumstances sending an army is more a measure of prudence then a mark against someone. Negotiations between powerful groups tend to have armies at their back.

 

I simply believe the Withered took his orders a bit too literally.

 

My belief is that The Architect sent the Withered with an army, telling him that more then likely the Wardens would view his approach as an assault, so the army was to keep him safe. And the Withered decided that he really only needed to approach the Warden-Commander, so he decided to launch a pre-emptive attack as he snuck inside the Keep through the Deep Roads. The Wardens sensed the attack at the last second and rallied the soldiers together, killing many Darkspawn.

 

And though he says later on that he should've anticipated we'd view their approach as an attack, I think that's the actual lie in this scenario. Perhaps he's not telling us that he did anticipate it because he fears that we might view him as complicit in the Withered's literal-minded idiocy.

 

So my belief is that yes, the Withered was sent as an emissary and the Architect isn't lying. But the Withered screwed things up.