I think the Reapers would leave not so much because of the tension they cause but more the fact they indoctrinate others merely by existing.
Because they don't have control over it. It's simply a part of what they are, like how we generate smells regardless of if we wish to. Remember the Cerberus team that tried to get the IFF? They were all indoctrinated despite the Reaper being for all intents and purposes dead. The only thing functioning was its core to keep it from falling into the brown dwarf.
They say in that mission that the Reaper isn't dead though. It's still active, it just can't move. I highly doubt the Reapers have no control over their mind control powers or that the mental degradation isn't an effect of the Reapers overriding a person's psyche and damaging it.
So epic trumps continuity then?
wat
There is a good idea I just put out,
It really isn't.
and I'm not even a writer at all. A veteran paid writer could and would be able to do it the way you want. The only real visibly noticeable changes ending to ending is Reapers=dead/alive and green glow. All species are still unique in customs/personalities dead species would more than likely have pockets of survivors so any decisions pertaining to a species like chooseing Geth over Quarins just effect how abundant they'd be(Quarians would be rare in this scenario).
So again, our choices mean nothing in your scenario. The Quarians/Geth weren't actually wiped out, the Genophage/cure didn't actually matter, what happened to the Reapers didn't actually matter...
Seriously, what would be the point of continuing there when nothing we ever did had any impact on the galaxy?
I don't know where you're getting the idea that Reapers indoctrinate just by existing. As far as I know, that's not true.
The brain-dead Reaper I pointed out as well as testimony from people who studied them.
They say in that mission that the Reaper isn't dead though. It's still active, it just can't move. I highly doubt the Reapers have no control over their mind control powers or that the mental degradation isn't an effect of the Reapers overriding a person's psyche and damaging it.
I never said it was dead. I said it was brain-dead. Big difference. It's clearly not dead dead since its heart is still functioning.
It's described by people who studied it as like a force, and the Leviathans said the Reapers have perfected what they can do. Since Leviathans already have the ability to control people by thinking about it, they must mean the Reapers can do it subconsciously. And if so, then even if they are friendly they are still doing it unknowingly.
The brain-dead Reaper I pointed out as well as testimony from people who studied them.
I never said it was dead. I said it was brain-dead. Big difference. It's clearly not dead dead since its heart is still functioning.
It's described by people who studied it as like a force, and the Leviathans said the Reapers have perfected what they can do. Since Leviathans already have the ability to control people by thinking about it, they must mean the Reapers can do it subconsciously. And if so, then even if they are friendly they are still doing it unknowingly.
In the epilogue for Synthese we see "Nice" reapers strutting about with our soldiers with no apparent ill effects and the tech implants might make our guys resistant to indoctrination. I suppose its up to the writers to decide ether way though.
Those Cerberus dummies didn't even understand what they were studying.
Yes, they did. How does one possibly mistake a Reaper Dreadnought for something else?
Whole lotta assumptions you're making. None of that is established in the games.
Hence me just saying "I think". It's called a theory.
They say in that mission that the Reaper isn't dead though. It's still active, it just can't move. I highly doubt the Reapers have no control over their mind control powers or that the mental degradation isn't an effect of the Reapers overriding a person's psyche and damaging it.
wat
It really isn't.
So again, our choices mean nothing in your scenario. The Quarians/Geth weren't actually wiped out, the Genophage/cure didn't actually matter, what happened to the Reapers didn't actually matter...
Seriously, what would be the point of continuing there when nothing we ever did had any impact on the galaxy?
All you arguments against my idea are because you want the ME game you played be concrete "I made these epic galaxy shaking choice" despite Bioware trying to say with the Stargazer "here's a story child, it's really old so noone knows how true it is but it is EPIC(so to me it says look at "The Shepard" subtract space Jesus you get a decent idea of what your legend is in reality)." Your choices were a legend told to children to fuel their imaginations! Nothing in EC changes that.
Yes, they did. How does one possibly mistake a Reaper Dreadnought for something else?
Hence me just saying "I think". It's called a theory.
I didn't say they didn't know it was a Reaper. I said they didn't understand it. They knew nothing about it before they started living in it.
But you didn't say that. You stated this all like established facts, every time.
My apologies for misreading.
I don't get them not understanding what the entire galaxy still doesn't understand means they are dummies though.
I started with I think, implying it is a theory and not fact, and followed it with what I see as evidence for that theory. You just read it like I was stating it as fact.
But this is offtopic. We should drop this discussion.
All you arguments against my idea are because you want the ME game you played be concrete "I made these epic galaxy shaking choice" despite Bioware trying to say with the Stargazer "here's a story child, it's really old so noone knows how true it is but it is EPIC(so to me it says look at "The Shepard" subtract space Jesus you get a decent idea of what your legend is in reality)." Your choices were a legend told to children to fuel their imaginations! Nothing in EC changes that.
First off, you're still advocating for our decisions to have meant nothing by retroactively making them BS. It's not just bad writing because the Mass Effect series was built on the concept of choices that matter, it's also bad writing because it falls into the laughable "It was in the autistic boy's head" trope. Second, the Stargazer was absolutely negated by the Extended Cut. Before the EC the implication was that the Crucible wrecked all advanced technology, stranding everyone wherever they happened to be when it went off, making it so no one could definitively know what actually happened. The EC threw all of that crap out the window and tried to pass it off as a temporary incovenience("Look guys, the Normandy was fine! They're flying away now..."). Without the conceit that technology was destroyed there's no reason why people wouldn't know what actually happened. That creepy old **** doesn't have the internet? Or the ability to speak to anyone besides his victim at any point in his life?
My apologies for misreading.
I don't get them not understanding what the entire galaxy still doesn't understand means they are dummies though.
I started with I think, implying it is a theory and not fact, and followed it with what I see as evidence for that theory. You just read it like I was stating it as fact.
But this is offtopic. We should drop this discussion.
Why not create totally new IP then?
Leaving an enormous area containing between 100billion to trillion various different star systems due to need of "change of scenery" is beyond rediculous.
No it isn't. The potential leak became a likely leak when multiple industry insiders vouched for it's legitimacy and a dev posted an image of a wormhole with the message "What lies ahead? Adventures? Dangerous Foes?"
It's not like galaxies are small enough that a wormhole wouldn't be helpful in getting around them. Why do you think Mass Relays are a thing?
Ok, I really don't want to get into this argument but I quickly want to throw in that we know that the reapers can control indoctrination. Saren tells us this in ME1. He says that the reapers can even choose the level of indoctrination. They can do it quickly and damage their subject or slowly and retain their mental faculties better. Also, in the novel Retribution, we actually get an inside view of a person who is being indoctrinated (Grayson, who admittedly is a bit of a special case but also Kahlee Sanders towards the end of the book). What we get to read there is very deliberate and suggests that the reapers have very tight control over how they influence their victims.
Just throwing that out there, make of it what you will.
First off, you're still advocating for our decisions to have meant nothing by retroactively making them BS. It's not just bad writing because the Mass Effect series was built on the concept of choices that matter, it's also bad writing because it falls into the laughable "It was in the autistic boy's head" trope. Second, the Stargazer was absolutely negated by the Extended Cut. Before the EC the implication was that the Crucible wrecked all advanced technology, stranding everyone wherever they happened to be when it went off, making it so no one could definitively know what actually happened. The EC threw all of that crap out the window and tried to pass it off as a temporary incovenience("Look guys, the Normandy was fine! They're flying away now..."). Without the conceit that technology was destroyed there's no reason why people wouldn't know what actually happened. That creepy old **** doesn't have the internet? Or the ability to speak to anyone besides his victim at any point in his life?
No Bioware tried to give themselves a little wiggle room and fans threw a fit so they made EC which kept the real ending and added things that they thought would shut up the extremists, and time scews all details so a hero like Shepar will become a larger than life legend through the generatins. Man I hate bringing up EC in ending debates because it proves nothing except it just slightly alters some possible events in the still very "draw your own conclusion" ending in ME3. Look lets call a truce, we obviously won't agree since I see ME1-3 as "The Shepard" legend of the Stargazer and you see it differently.
Yeah, I would want to end this discussion if were you. No one likes to be proven wrong.
Except you have yet to come even close to proving me wrong. I was offering to end it for consideration of the OP.
Why not create totally new IP then?
Leaving an enormous area containing between 100billion to trillion various different star systems due to need of "change of scenery" is beyond rediculous.
Except you have yet to come even close to proving me wrong. I was offering to end it for consideration of the OP.
I 100% did prove you wrong. You said you posed your thought as a theory when you absolutely, objectively did not.
No, you did not. I know my intentions, you do not. Therefore I am right and you cannot prove me wrong.
Now do you wish to continue this bickering, or how about we be decent people and let this thread get back on topic? I plan on doing the latter.
No, continuing in the Milky Way despite silly Crucible space magic leaving an untenable situation is beyond ridiculous.
I would not argue about crucible and the rest of RGB,but situation is most certainly not "untenable".
Out of interest,did you save Collector's base or destroyed it? Because this crucial decision about aquiring reaper technology together with terra...,sorry,omegabytes of information about them played such a vast role in ME3. Oh,wait....
There is no need for RGB choice impact to be any different.
Want same default state -its decades after The War , people use implants and healing nanites,relays don't work and there are no reapers but nobody knows why exactly. There you go.
Minor variations that will allow for RGB:
Destroy - few dialogue lines that will show player that relays were damaged heavily, reapers "dead" all over,just not in the areas game "visits", but nobody knows why exactly - all kinds of myhts.
Control/Synthesis -few dialogue lines that will show player relays don't function,reapers just left and promissed to never come back, nobody knows why but there are some myths.
If Bioware does not have time or resources to include certain races that should or should not be there due to player decisions - something happened to those poor/lucky people during those decades since ME3.
Frankly,everything can be changed because writers are like God in their universe,they can create and they can destroy,they can change things - past present and future included. If there is a will,of course.
Fortunately there is a way to have the game in post-war Milky Way without addressing the endings (or only addressing them via codex).
How?
Couldn't disagree more. Bioware created an amazing universe to spend time in. And we've hardly seen any of it.
Cast away 95% of that universe by going to And Andromeda and all you actually have is a spin off, doesn't matter how you dress it up.
This! Just give us back the galaxy we fell in love with. I don't care how. They put all this effort in establishing a memorable and believable galaxy, with it's own species, civilizations, conflicts, etc, just to throw it all away?
What a waste.
This! Just give us back the galaxy we fell in love with. I don't care how. They put all this effort in establishing a memorable and believable galaxy, with it's own species, civilizations, conflicts, etc, just to throw it all away?
What a waste.
The races can be transfered to Andromeda and all the conflicts are resolved.
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