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[Mixon]

A change of scenery is exactly what the ME series needs. 

 

Dislike.

[Steppenwolf]

How is it retreading the same ground? We won't be fighting the Reaper war again. In addition, having the same races in Andromeda means all the old rivalries and politics (however they introduce that, which will be interesting - especially without referencing the events of ME3!) will be there. So isn't that retreading old ground anyway, but just changing the backdrop

That's a baseless assumption.

The dev tweets a wormhole and you see it as concrete evidence of the"Andromeda Theory". Yeah, that's a strawman bud. What are you smoking?

Show me where I said it was concrete evidence. I'll wait.

[jstme]

Don't try to speak for me.
.....
That doesn't surprise me. You don't seem to grasp much of anything in this discussion, let alone my views or the logic behind them.
 

Ahhh...The nostalgy..

"Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. " 

Of course Sovereign ,even in its arrogance,at least had some style.

 

No, my desire is for my choices as Shepard to be honored, not diluted or changed by forcing a continuation in the galaxy that Shepard irrevocably changed in one of myriad ways. There's simply no intelligent, satisfying way to account for every substantial variable and still keep player agency intact and develop a coherent game that doesn't try to avoid the consequences of what Shepard did.
 

 You prefer to honor Shepard's choices and keep player agency by completely ignoring results of players actions -like saved galaxy with all the interesting stories that could be told and interesting consequences that could be seen.

 And dilution and avoiding some consequences did not interfere much with your satisfaction in ME2 and ME3. I will try to speak for you here a bit,so bare with me "but its not the same scale!!111!!". So what? It can still be done. 

 

I have no interest in "wrapping up" the story f the Mass Effect universe and clearly neither does BioWare since they're moving forward, seemingly by side-stepping the difficulties(impossibilities) that ME3 left them with.
 

Bioware are not moving forward,they are moving side-ways. Moving forward would be to continue the story in ,you know,same galaxy,maybe? And there cannot be inpossibilities because Bioware can write whatever they want - hey,synthesis exists,and now apparently jump for millions of light years for entire lore is possible. Only things that creates impossibilty - is lack of will.

[Balkankerverkoper]

Clearly the story has been wrapped up. Shepard's story and everything that happened in the galaxy could as well be nonexistant the way Bioware is going now.

[fyz306903]

I think this leak, or something close to it is what'll probably happen. Everything that Bioware have said has tallied up with this story background and this biggest piece of evidence for its truthfulness, is that by launching this expedition sometime between ME1 and ME2 (with maybe a prologue set in the Milky Way during that 2-year gap) and by using a new cast, they can ignore everything that happened in the original trilogy. Firstly, by taking some of all the races, any war/genophage extinction events wouldn't affect them and they can ignore all of the ME3 endings. 

Also, remember that this is a Sci-Fi game, the easiest genre of all to easily retconn things.

My one worry is that I don't want DLC set DURING the singleplayer story. That just makes it feel either disruptive to its natural flow if it's average, or like it was held back if it's good. By all means, release good-value DLC, but set either after the main story or if it has to be during the main story, with brand new characters. (Maybe a Milky Way side story where you play as Cerberus helping them resurrect Shepard?). 

[StealthGamer92]

I think this leak, or something close to it is what'll probably happen. Everything that Bioware have said has tallied up with this story background and this biggest piece of evidence for its truthfulness, is that by launching this expedition sometime between ME1 and ME2 (with maybe a prologue set in the Milky Way during that 2-year gap) and by using a new cast, they can ignore everything that happened in the original trilogy. Firstly, by taking some of all the races, any war/genophage extinction events wouldn't affect them and they can ignore all of the ME3 endings. 
Also, remember that this is a Sci-Fi game, the easiest genre of all to easily retconn things.
My one worry is that I don't want DLC set DURING the singleplayer story. That just makes it feel either disruptive to its natural flow if it's average, or like it was held back if it's good. By all means, release good-value DLC, but set either after the main story or if it has to be during the main story, with brand new characters. (Maybe a Milky Way side story where you play as Cerberus helping them resurrect Shepard?).

Agree with allot of this but I have a question to anyone who reads this. Ever since ME1 everytime the Council was presented the "Reaper threat" they'd enter ful blown denial mode, so why would they aprove this Ark? According them first they didn't exist then Sovreign was a Geth creation.

[Heimdall]

Agree with allot of this but I have a question to anyone who reads this. Ever since ME1 everytime the Council was presented the "Reaper threat" they'd enter ful blown denial mode, so why would they aprove this Ark? According them first they didn't exist then Sovreign was a Geth creation.

Maybe they lied

[ElitePinecone]

Agree with allot of this but I have a question to anyone who reads this. Ever since ME1 everytime the Council was presented the "Reaper threat" they'd enter ful blown denial mode, so why would they aprove this Ark? According them first they didn't exist then Sovreign was a Geth creation.

 

The archives included with the Citadel DLC show that the Council did believe that Sovereign was a Reaper. That part of the recording required a Spectre's security clearance though, which means that it wasn't something they were admitting publicly. 

 

If I had to guess, denying the Reapers' existence was a combination of wishful thinking, and not wanting to panic the citizens of the galaxy if it turned out to be a false threat.

 

But of course, denying it doesn't mean that they couldn't secretly prepare a contingency, just in case.

[StealthGamer92]

The archives included with the Citadel DLC show that the Council did believe that Sovereign was a Reaper. That part of the recording required a Spectre's security clearance though, which means that it wasn't something they were admitting publicly. 
 
If I had to guess, denying the Reapers' existence was a combination of wishful thinking, and not wanting to panic the citizens of the galaxy if it turned out to be a false threat.
 
But of course, denying it doesn't mean that they couldn't secretly prepare a contingency, just in case.

Oh....I gotta go check that out, but they still denied it when talking to just Shepard in ME2 so it still streches it a lil but nowhere near as much as without that.

[StealthGamer92]

Maybe they lied

*gasp* A politician lie? Never!

[ZoliCs]

Oh....I gotta go check that out, but they still denied it when talking to just Shepard in ME2 so it still streches it a lil but nowhere near as much as without that.

Well in ME2 Shepard was with Cerberus. I wouldn't even tell the time to a Cerberus agent.

[dreamgazer]

Can't wait to see this scene become even dumber than it already was.

[StealthGamer92]

Well in ME2 Shepard was with Cerberus. I wouldn't even tell the time to a Cerberus agent.

True, but only if you saved the council. If you let them die it was suposed to be a human led council, and if Udina was in charge or even Anderson you would've been told because Udina was Cerberus so TIM or EDI or Udina would be willingt o at least hint at it, and Anderson was your BFF(even after you gutshot him).

[ElitePinecone]

Oh....I gotta go check that out, but they still denied it when talking to just Shepard in ME2 so it still streches it a lil but nowhere near as much as without that.

 

The Council's stupidity was always a bit unrealistic though, since it made them look impossibly incompetent and a bit ridiculous as the leaders of the galaxy. 

 

At least the archives in the Citadel DLC show that they knew about Sovereign (as a Reaper) among themselves, and if it's a retcon then it's one I don't particularly mind.

 

I think it also opens up an interesting story possibility whereby they were denying the threat in public, to not spread panic, while secretly preparing all kinds of contingencies. It also follows that they don't necessarily have to tell the Spectres about all their plans, since there is still some level of mistrust between all the races. (Which I think is the excuse that the asari councilor gave for not mentioning the Prothean VI that they'd been talking to for thousands of years.)

[ZoliCs]

True, but only if you saved the council. If you let them die it was suposed to be a human led council, and if Udina was in charge or even Anderson you would've been told because Udina was Cerberus so TIM or EDI or Udina would be willingt o at least hint at it, and Anderson was your BFF(even after you gutshot him).

I think the concept of human led council was dropped faster after ME1 than one could blink. I've never felt anything remotely like that in ME2-3.

[fyz306903]

Agree with allot of this but I have a question to anyone who reads this. Ever since ME1 everytime the Council was presented the "Reaper threat" they'd enter ful blown denial mode, so why would they aprove this Ark? According them first they didn't exist then Sovreign was a Geth creation.

 

Very simple, invent some rich corporation/person that believes Shepard and sends a private expedition. Or better yet, the sneaky Salarians did it secretly. Or the Council set the expedition up 'just in case'. 

[dreamgazer]

Very simple, invent some rich corporation/person that believes Shepard and sends a private expedition.

[StealthGamer92]

Aaand now I believe...I wonder if the similarities are just coincidence, or it realy was done before TIM was indoctrinated?

[The Elder King]

True, but only if you saved the council. If you let them die it was suposed to be a human led council, and if Udina was in charge or even Anderson you would've been told because Udina was Cerberus so TIM or EDI or Udina would be willingt o at least hint at it, and Anderson was your BFF(even after you gutshot him).

Was it stated somewhere that Udina worked for Cerberus before ME3?

[The Elder King]

I almost want it to happen to enjoy the forum reaction.

[Heimdall]

Was it stated somewhere that Udina worked for Cerberus before ME3?

Was it stated somewhere that Udina worked for Cerberus before ME3?

I think it was actually said that he only reached out to Cerberus in ME3

[The Elder King]

I think it was actually said that he only reached out to Cerberus in ME3

Yeah, I recalled it was like that, but I don't have ME3's dlcs so I wondered if they added something in them.

[ElitePinecone]

I almost want it to happen to enjoy the forum reaction.

 

 

nnoooooooooooooo

[StealthGamer92]

Was it stated somewhere that Udina worked for Cerberus before ME3?

Sold ME2&3 years ago so my memory is fuzzy on those, but even without Udina there's Anderson and Cerberus not to mention the Shadow Broker was a self preservationist so he'd deffinitle make sure he found anything like the Ark so he could survive, and that type of info search would've been high prority for Liara after she assumed controll....wait for it...

[dreamgazer]

nnoooooooooooooo

"... establish a new home for humanity".

"... determine the fate of humanity".

Dun, dun, dunnnnnnn.