56 réponses à ce sujet

[Destroyurr]

This leak is fascinating news, imo. The best part is the premise. It's not because it's set in a new galaxy or there's many new races, but because the story for this Mass Effect will be completely alienated from the old trilogy. Mass Effect 3's ending was so bad that it destroys the entire trilogy. For the next Mass Effect to be based on, or even directly connected to, the old trilogy, it's story would completely fall apart by default.

 

The new mechanics sound amazing too. They remind me of what was advertised during ME3's marketing campaign with the whole "Galaxy at War" thing. All we really got was a vague EMS system.

 

It seems like Bioware really learned from their mistakes.

[LordSwagley]

I can agree with you on the the supposed new setting not conflicting with the endings. I am a bit concerned about having a default world state forced upon me. As for the supposed features they sound good on paper but I'll reserve my hype until I see them in action. Assuming of course the leak is legimate.

[Steppenwolf]

I can agree with you on the the supposed new setting not conflicting with the endings. I am a bit concerned about having a default world state forced upon me. As for the supposed features they sound good on paper but I'll reserve my hype until I see them in action. Assuming of course the leak is legimate.

 

Why would a default world state be forced on you in the new setting? One would think the entire point of the new setting is to side-step the ramifications of ME3 in the Milky Way.

[LordSwagley]

Why would a default world state be forced on you in the new setting? One would think the entire point of the new setting is to side-step the ramifications of ME3 in the Milky Way.

I apologize. What I meant is that I fear we will have a default world forced upon us if we remain in the Milky Way, hence my support of the Ark theory and Andromeda.

[patiflops2]

I hope the rumour is true because I am just shaking with pure happyness about the supposed leaked information It sound like a perfect space game with bit of space exploration from mass effect and mechanics from dragon age inquisition. Well I hope it will be true and confirmed soon by bioware soon. To be fair it sound quite real you are in a new galaxy, it doesn't really matter about mass effect 3 ending and much of the art shown give that certain feel of being alone and being that last light for humanity.
P.S. If this is true and it better be, I known I will eat my hat and wating for a limited edition to pick up.

[Steppenwolf]

Its clear that they are exactly going with this mindset and are distancing themselves as much as possible from the original Trilogy

 

In my opinion thats just lame I hated the endings too but just doing a soft reboot is not the solution

It basically sounds like a complete new sci fi IP

 

So what is the solution?

[patiflops2]

Well I like a new start a clean slab to start a new adventure on. I wouldn't call it a reboot I would call it a new story with many fatastic idea's to back it up.
"As you explore this sprawling series of solar systems (over 4x the size of Mass Effect 3), collecting resources and building colonies, you will encounter the savagery of untamed lands in the form of cut-throat outlaws and warring alien races. To survive and colonise the wild reaches of space, you will need to grow your arsenal, your ship, your crew and make strategic (and often uneasy) alliances to fight against increasingly menacing foes."

Those two paragraph all ready make it sound quite awesome for a game story.

[AlanC9]

So what is the solution?

Canonize Destroy. This particular Shepard chose that option. Your Shepard may have made similar choices, or may not, but the sequel proceeds from decisions that some other Shepard made.

[CrutchCricket]

Canonize Destroy. This particular Shepard chose that option. Your Shepard may have made similar choices, or may not, but the sequel proceeds from decisions that some other Shepard made.

FUCK. NO.

 

No canon, not ever.

 

That would be an instant dealbreaker for me, regardless of any other disappointments even if they canonized my exact playthrough. It goes against everything ME is supposed to be. Even the endings are nothing in comparison.

 

Now, given the endings I was to be done with this series anyway. But if this is true and no one who signed off on the previous travesty that is the last 5 min of ME3 is involved in any decision making other than getting people coffee fast or really fast, it might actually bring me back into the fold. Which, believe me is saying something. Frankly I didn't think it could be done. Of course, they're still milking the franchise by calling it Mass Effect. But unbecoming business practices may be overlooked if this thing ends up capturing the feel of the original Mass Effect as well as distancing itself from the story trainwreck it became.

 

And going to a whole different galaxy certainly counts as "distancing"

[wolfhowwl]

Canonize Destroy. This particular Shepard chose that option. Your Shepard may have made similar choices, or may not, but the sequel proceeds from decisions that some other Shepard made.

 

Excuse me, MY Shepard romanced Morinth and died in ME2. How dare you disrespect my headcanon!

[Revan Reborn]

This leak is fascinating news, imo. The best part is the premise. It's not because it's set in a new galaxy or there's many new races, but because the story for this Mass Effect will be completely alienated from the old trilogy. Mass Effect 3's ending was so bad that it destroys the entire trilogy. For the next Mass Effect to be based on, or even directly connected to, the old trilogy, it's story would completely fall apart by default.

 

The new mechanics sound amazing too. They remind me of what was advertised during ME3's marketing campaign with the whole "Galaxy at War" thing. All we really got was a vague EMS system.

 

It seems like Bioware really learned from their mistakes.

 

Ending or not, the Mass Effect trilogy is iconic and one of the great new franchises in gaming. If this "leak" is proven to be true, all it confirms is that BioWare has no respect for its own IP and would rather reboot it for fear of "criticism" from irate, crazy fans rather than living up to the Mass Effect formula of allowing our past choices to have impact on future installments. I don't care that Shepard's story is over and will never be revisited. What I do care about is that nothing of what I did in the Shepard trilogy mattered and may not even be referenced. That's downright offensive.

[Heimdall]

 

Ending or not, the Mass Effect trilogy is iconic and one of the great new franchises in gaming. If this "leak" is proven to be true, all it confirms is that BioWare has no respect for its own IP and would rather reboot it for fear of "criticism" from irate, crazy fans rather than living up to the Mass Effect formula of allowing our past choices to have impact on future installments. I don't care that Shepard's story is over and will never be revisited. What I do care about is that nothing of what I did in the Shepard trilogy mattered and may not even be referenced. That's downright offensive.

Your overreacting.  They aren't "disrespecting their IP", they're acknowledging that they wrote themselves into a corner with ME3, a game that was designed around the idea that it would be the end of the series instead of fearing "criticism" from irate, crazy fans that can't handle change and have a strange obsession with the absurd idea that not seeing their choices directly reflected means they never happened.

 

...See what I did there?

 

Really, the attitude you express isn't any different than the kind I saw on the forums before ME2 was released.  With every release of information, threads would pop up proclaiming Bioware's cowardice and not following the formula of the first game.  People claimed it wouldn't be Mass Effect without every member of the original crew in the squad.  It's a typical knee-jerk fan reaction to a sequel that's decided to go in a different direction.  The truth is that the Mass Effect formula is flexible.  It can be changed and have new things added to it without losing its identity.

[Sion1138]

****. NO.

 

No canon, not ever.

 

...

 

I don't understand you people.

 

I mean, I know the next game will not be a continuation of the trilogy or feature Shepard or anything of the sort, but if it were and it canonized the one scenario most hated by me, I would not complain.

 

I didn't appreciate the ending, I hated synthesis and I still do in retrospect, but I absolutely wouldn't mind it if it led to a proper sequel.

 

Why are you all so attached to your choices from 3 years ago?

[Revan Reborn]

Your overreacting.  They aren't "disrespecting their IP", they're acknowledging that they wrote themselves into a corner with ME3, a game that was designed around the idea that it would be the end of the series instead of fearing "criticism" from irate, crazy fans that can't handle change and have a strange obsession with the absurd idea that not seeing their choices directly reflected means they never happened.

 

...See what I did there?

 

Really, the attitude you express isn't any different than the kind I saw on the forums before ME2 was released.  With every release of information, threads would pop up proclaiming Bioware's cowardice and not following the formula of the first game.  People claimed it wouldn't be Mass Effect without every member of the original crew in the squad.  It's a typical knee-jerk fan reaction to a sequel that's decided to go in a different direction.  The truth is that the Mass Effect formula is flexible.  It can be changed and have new things added to it without losing its identity.

You unsuccessfully tried to flip my statement in a way that doesn't even make remote sense. I see exactly what you did there. Perhaps you aren't aware, but Mass Effect created the system for choices having an impact on the next game. Dragon Age has followed suit with Dragon Age Keep. Why you would believe BioWare would all the sudden disregard one of the fundamental pillars of Mass Effect is beyond me. I'm not asking for anything unreasonable. I'm asking for BioWare to live up to its name and reputation that it has established for the past eight years.

 

You seem more than happy to just trample over the past without any regard for what has come before. You are entitled to your position, but do not try to play off mine as being "irate" or "crazy." Rebooting Mass Effect and starting from scratch is irate and crazy, not seeing how past games may have had some effects on future installments.

[Heimdall]

I don't understand you people.

 

I mean, I know the next game will not be a continuation of the trilogy or feature Shepard or anything of the sort, but if it were and it canonized the one scenario most hated by me, I would not complain.

 

I didn't appreciate the ending, I hated synthesis and I still do in retrospect, but I absolutely wouldn't mind it if it led to a proper sequel.

 

Why are you all so attached to your choices from 3 years ago?

I could learn to enjoy it if they did do it, but to be honest I feel the existing plot threads in Mass Effect have run their course (Some to the point of exhaustion).  I don't want to see them rehashed and I feel a sequel even with a set cannon runs the risk of getting bogged down in attempt to perform damage control on the original endings.

 

If I'm being entirely honest, what I want most from the new mass effect is a clean slate for the franchise, and i don't think jumping off an ME3 ending achieves that.

[Drone223]

Canonize Destroy. This particular Shepard chose that option. Your Shepard may have made similar choices, or may not, but the sequel proceeds from decisions that some other Shepard made.

Not the most ideal solution but defiantly the most practical and gives the dev's something to work with.

[dreamgazer]

Why are you all so attached to your choices from 3 years ago?

Who the hell knows.

[Steppenwolf]

Canonize Destroy. This particular Shepard chose that option. Your Shepard may have made similar choices, or may not, but the sequel proceeds from decisions that some other Shepard made.

Why even give us the ability to make decisions if none of them matter?

I don't understand you people.
I mean, I know the next game will not be a continuation of the trilogy or feature Shepard or anything of the sort, but if it were and it canonized the one scenario most hated by me, I would not complain.
I didn't appreciate the ending, I hated synthesis and I still do in retrospect, but I absolutely wouldn't mind it if it led to a proper sequel.
Why are you all so attached to your choices from 3 years ago?

Why are you people so attached to the Milky Way galaxy despite all the problems that exist within it, from a storytelling standpoint, after 3 years?

[shepskisaac]

I didn't appreciate the ending, I hated synthesis and I still do in retrospect, but I absolutely wouldn't mind it if it led to a proper sequel.

 

Why are you all so attached to your choices from 3 years ago?

Then you're in tiny minority. Most people when they say "well duh, just canonize one ending!" actually mean "Destroy" and would riot if Synthesis was picked instead (which frankly wouldn't be surprising at all seeing how Bioware clearly thought of it as the "best", most symbolic Adam&robo-Eve etc ending)

[CrutchCricket]

Ending or not, the Mass Effect trilogy is iconic and one of the great new franchises in gaming. If this "leak" is proven to be true, all it confirms is that BioWare has no respect for its own IP and would rather reboot it for fear of "criticism" from irate, crazy fans rather than living up to the Mass Effect formula of allowing our past choices to have impact on future installments. I don't care that Shepard's story is over and will never be revisited. What I do care about is that nothing of what I did in the Shepard trilogy mattered and may not even be referenced. That's downright offensive.

Explain to me how steamrolling over the greatest divergence in choices thus far, at least one of which fundamentally alters every single thing in the world or flat out ignoring two of them in any way respects your choices at all. I'll wait.
 

I don't understand you people.

What do you mean you people?
 

Why are you all so attached to your choices from 3 years ago?

Why are you?

[Steelcan]

If the leak is true, its truly astonishing how utterly gelded BioWare is.

 

We don't want to risk upsetting people, SO WE WILL RELOCATE TO AN ENTIRELY NEW GALAXY

[Heimdall]

You unsuccessfully tried to flip my statement in a way that doesn't even make remote sense. I see exactly what you did there. Perhaps you aren't aware, but Mass Effect created the system for choices having an impact on the next game. Dragon Age has followed suit with Dragon Age Keep. Why you would believe BioWare would all the sudden disregard one of the fundamental pillars of Mass Effect is beyond me. I'm not asking for anything unreasonable. I'm asking for BioWare to live up to its name and reputation that it has established for the past eight years.

Well first of all, Dragon Age had save transfers before the Keep.  Second of all I would call the save transfer a general practice Bioware adopted, not a franchise specific bit of dogma chiseled on stone tablets and enshrined next to the coffee machine.  Choices mattering predates that, even before save transfers.  KOTOR 2 had the chance to define some basic facts of the previous games' protagonist, even if it mostly affected flavor dialogue (Though one could argue that's what most of Mass Effect's "impact" amounts to as well).
 
You know what else got left behind?  Shepard, the Reapers, the entire central conflict of the franchise, all gone.  What happening here is a fundamental shift in the franchise, no matter where it's set.  The franchise is changing.  We don't know for sure what's changing, but in light of the corner they wrote themselves into and the baggage the choice import system has accrued over the years, it's insane to rule out a clean slate as a viable option.
 

You seem more than happy to just trample over the past without any regard for what has come before. You are entitled to your position, but do not try to play off mine as being "irate" or "crazy." Rebooting Mass Effect and starting from scratch is irate and crazy, not seeing how past games may have had some effects on future installments.

So I take it you don't see the hypocrisy in saying I'm entitled to my position while calling me irate and crazy for doing so?

 

What's insane is your insistence on ignoring the corner Bioware wrote themselves into.  What's insane is your belief that choices don't matter unless their reflected in the sequel.  I don't really find anything rational about your position.

[Revan Reborn]

Explain to me how steamrolling over the greatest divergence in choices thus far, at least one of which fundamentally alters every single thing in the world or flat out ignoring two of them in any way respects your choices at all. I'll wait.

Who said anything about steamrolling? BioWare already implemented in a template to handle the endings just fine. Did you forget the Stargazer ending scene in ME3? It explains how all the endings can be canon without diluting anybody's choice. Within that framework, BioWare can translate over what is practical and could help to personalize every player's "world state." The rest of the choices could be stored into a "Mass Effect Keep" so that everybody is able to maintain their own history. The endings wouldn't even necessarily need to be explained in great detail, especially if the rumor is true and we are in another galaxy anyways. There just needs to be a recognition that they happened and the dialogue can somewhat compliment that based on what choices were made.

[Sion1138]

Not the most ideal solution but defiantly the most practical and gives the dev's something to work with.

 

That would have been my choice to be completely honest. I'm not going to lament it too much, but I thought it had immense potential.

 

- Deal with the situation in Sol where most of the fleets would have been practically stranded

- Deal with the fallout of the Crucible (look for ways to repair the relays, perhaps the geth - huge questlines)

- Deal with the Krogan

- Deal with opportunistic up and comers (pirates, groups looking to fill the vacuums of power)

- Deal with Cerberus remnants

- Deal with the political fallout of the revelation of Asari secrets

...

- Help form a new galactic authority (or not)

- Help restore the major powers (or not)

- Decide what to do with the remains of the Reapers

...

 

That's just off the top of my head.