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[CirusTheVirus666]

I agree, I hope the leak is true. I also find it a nice fresh start, don't get me wrong, I loved Mass Effect 1-3 and hated the ending at first, but now I live with it and moved on. Now I need another ME and this new concept sounds exciting! From reading other posts in other topics, all I see is people are complaining about not set in the milky way and that we only explored 1%  of it, why is it not set there. I'll tell you why, because of ME3's endings, that's why. Bioware wrote themselves into a corner with those endings, here is their escape, no matter how cheap people think it is. So this new fresh start is going to be good.  

 

As it goes, I predict the story will be something like, set during or near the end of ME3, the council got a group of people/all species together to volunteer to travel to the other galaxy in an ARK, to save their races, fearing the galaxy is doomed by the reaper threat(set before Ranoc/Geth/Quarin decisions, so all species from the original are in the game). DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN,  600 years later or so(how every long it takes to travel lol) and using some kind of technology to keep everyone sleeping, maybe similar tech the prothean pod that Javik was in. You awake in another galaxy, now you have to survive this one and explore its wonders..etc etc.

 

That way it ties into the Mass effect universe and like the survey says, a galaxy untouched by Shepard's heroics.  Not bad eh?

[Steelcan]

Honestly I want them to just set Destroy as the one that progresses, the other options aren't invalidated, they just don't get sequels set in that universe

[Sion1138]

Why even give us the ability to make decisions if none of them matter?


Why are you people so attached to the Milky Way galaxy despite all the problems that exist within it, from a storytelling standpoint, after 3 years?

 

I feel it's too much of a contrivance. Galaxies are enormous beyond comprehension, intergalactic distances even more so. 

 

So I guess I'm attached to not stretching credulity too much.

 

I'm not livid about it or anything, I'll play the game, but I would have preferred other options.

 

And the choices don't matter either way. It depends on how you see it.

 

Some people see this reboot-ish thing as respecting choices because it theoretically preserves them but I see the complete opposite. Because to me, addressing the choices, even if it's just one of the possible three, even if it's the one I hate is more along the lines of what I would consider respect for choices.

 

Of course, I don't see the new galaxy approach as disrespect. It's just an escape from the choices, which is fine.

[CrutchCricket]

We don't want to risk upsetting people, SO WE WILL RELOCATE TO AN ENTIRELY NEW GALAXY

The current setting is FUBAR. If it needs to be set after the endings, you gotta find greener pastures. Fresh start.

 

Who said anything about steamrolling? BioWare already implemented in a template to handle the endings just fine. Did you forget the Stargazer ending scene in ME3? It explains how all the endings can be canon without diluting anybody's choice. Within that framework, BioWare can translate over what is practical and could help to personalize every player's "world state." The rest of the choices could be stored into a "Mass Effect Keep" so that everybody is able to maintain their own history. The endings wouldn't even necessarily need to be explained in great detail, especially if the rumor is true and we are in another galaxy anyways. There just needs to be a recognition that they happened and the dialogue can somewhat compliment that based on what choices were made.

Yes I'm sure the details of how every single thing in the galaxy got its DNA re-whatevered or how the Reapers became watchdogs are just those little things that slip your mind and "get lost in time".

 

That scene was implied to have occurred thousands, maybe even tens of thousands of years into the future. Which is how far you'd need to go to chalk up a goddamn galactic extinction event as a "detail lost in time" never mind the, in some cases, reality-altering outcome of said event. Going that far into the future is even worse than going to a new galaxy. Nothing should be even remotely similar in 10,000 years. And if it is you've got Star Wars syndrome. And while I didn't mind the stagnation there, I'd sure as hell mind it here.

[Revan Reborn]

Well first of all, Dragon Age had save transfers before the Keep.  Second of all I would call the save transfer a general practice Bioware adopted, not a franchise specific bit of dogma chiseled on stone tablets and enshrined next to the coffee machine.  Choices mattering predates that, even before save transfers.  KOTOR 2 had the chance to define some basic facts of the previous games' protagonist, even if it mostly affected flavor dialogue (Though one could argue that's what most of Mass Effect's "impact" amounts to as well).
 
You know what else got left behind?  Shepard, the Reapers, the entire central conflict of the franchise, all gone.  What happening here is a fundamental shift in the franchise, no matter where it's set.  The franchise is changing.  We don't know for sure what's changing, but in light of the corner they wrote themselves into and the baggage the choice import system has accrued over the years, it's insane to rule out a clean slate as a viable option.
 

So I take it you don't see the hypocrisy in saying I'm entitled to my position while calling me irate and crazy for doing so?

 

What's insane is your insistence on ignoring the corner Bioware wrote themselves into.  What's insane is your belief that choices don't matter unless their reflected in the sequel.  I don't really find anything rational about your position.

DAII imported very few choices as the events of DAO were largely irrelevant. Outside of Alistair showing up for a cameo, it's very different from the significant impact save imports in Mass Effect have. You can spin it however you like, but Mass Effect was the first game to start save importing.

 

KotOR II isn't even made by BioWare. It's made by Obsidian Entertainment, which is completely irrelevant to this discussion. We are focused on BioWare's practices.

 

It's insane to believe a "clean slate" is the only way to move forward. Do you realize how ridiculous it sounds to essentially reboot what is one of the most popular franchises in gaming because BioWare allegedly "wrote themselves into a corner"?

 

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, regardless of how ill-informed, misguided, or ridiculous it may be. Being entitled to an opinion in no way bolsters the credibility of that claim.

 

You keep referencing this hypothetical "corner" that BioWare has written itself into. I don't believe BioWare has ever made such a claim or statement. I believe that's an assumption some members of the community have made based off what they have observed and understood about the Shepard trilogy. On the contrary, I believe it's insane to have as little faith as you do in BioWare's writing capacity and not being able to see they would have thoroughly considered future options for the franchise before ME3 was released.

 

In fact, if you have so little faith in BioWare's writing, why are you even here? That is the foundation of every game they make... I don't ever believe I claimed "choices don't matter unless their [sic] reflected in the sequel." That's your own imagining of my position. What I have said is that choice should matter. Period. This has been the case with every Mass Effect game. The fact you believe I'm "insane" for wanting BioWare to continue a tradition really says a lot about you. Do you know what the definition of insanity is?

[Steppenwolf]

Who said anything about steamrolling? BioWare already implemented in a template to handle the endings just fine. Did you forget the Stargazer ending scene in ME3?

The Stargazer scene is meaningless after the Extended Cut. The entire purpose of it was to instill hopefulness after the endings all featured advanced technology being destroyed and everyone being "grounded," incapable of space travel. Once the EC came along and said "lolz, we were just kidding. See, the Normandy is fine" that entire premise was ditched, so the Stargazer now is just an old pedophile telling a story.

It explains how all the endings can be canon without diluting anybody's choice.

How?

Within that framework, BioWare can translate over what is practical and could help to personalize every player's "world state."

How?

The rest of the choices could be stored into a "Mass Effect Keep" so that everybody is able to maintain their own history. The endings wouldn't even necessarily need to be explained in great detail, especially if the rumor is true and we are in another galaxy anyways. There just needs to be a recognition that they happened and the dialogue can somewhat compliment that based on what choices were made.

You're jumping all over the place. Explain your thoughts before jumping to other ones.

[CrutchCricket]

so the Stargazer now is just an old pedophile telling a story.

Hey Space Grandpa may be senile but I don't know if we have to go that far.
 
Actually, come to think of it, how is having some old fart tell a story he can barely remember honoring our choices anyway?
 
"So then, Shepard shot the tube... no wait he grabbed the tubes... no... wait..."
 
"Your baldspot's glowing, Grandpa. Time for your meds."

[Revan Reborn]

The Stargazer scene is meaningless after the Extended Cut. The entire purpose of it was to instill hopefulness after the endings all featured advanced technology being destroyed and everyone being "grounded," incapable of space travel. Once the EC came along and said "lolz, we were just kidding. See, the Normandy is fine" that entire premise was ditched, so the Stargazer now is just an old pedophile telling a story.


How?


How?


You're jumping all over the place. Explain your thoughts before jumping to other ones.

I think you should watch the last ten minutes of ME3 again, including the Stargazer ending. It's rather clear. The grandfather figure even suggests certain details have been "lost in time," which gives BioWare flexibility to really make any of the endings canon.

 

Considering that we do know the next Mass Effect will take place in a "new region of space," whether that's the Milky Way or somewhere else, the effects of the various endings wouldn't be as nearly relevant nor crucial to the story. This next game is about discovering new races and planets and all previous choices, including the final ending choice, should is provide some context and depth to the world state of the next Mass Effect.

 

Consider this building a house. Before you put in your furniture, electronics, appliances, etc., you first need walls, carpet, hardwood floors, ceiling fans, etc. The Shepard trilogy is the structure and backbone of the future game. It will largely be background and codex while the new experience takes front and center and dictates the story.

[Sion1138]

"So then, Shepard shot the tube... no wait he grabbed the tubes... no... wait".

 

Funny.

 

It will be in the codex, and narrated by the narrator guy.

 

Historians still debate what exactly Shepard did to the tubes.

 

Oh, and there will be religions based around it with different denominations based on their interpretation of the tube incident.

[Steelcan]

The current setting is FUBAR. If it needs to be set after the endings, you gotta find greener pastures. Fresh start.

Yeah, in a Destroy universe

[CrutchCricket]

The Shepard trilogy is the structure and backbone of the future game.

No it really isn't. The backbone is the lore elements the world is built on (eezo, dark energy, hence the "mass effect") and the experience or "feel" of the game.

 

-Captain of a ship? Check

-Exploring space. Check

-Encountering and dealing with highly anthropomorphic aliens that may or may not be thinly veiled expys of real world factions or "homage" to other sci-fi? Check

-Squad interaction and romance? Check.

 

That's a Mass Effect game. A derivative of the more general Bioware game which are known primarily for excellent NPC interactions and development that lead players to form unusually strong attachments to them.

 

Funny.

 

It will be in the codex, and narrated by the narrator guy.

 

Historians still debate what exactly Shepard did to the tubes.

Historians and crackpots alike.

[CrutchCricket]

Yeah, in a Destroy universe

No.

[LordSwagley]

I agree, I hope the leak is true. I also find it a nice fresh start, don't get me wrong, I loved Mass Effect 1-3 and hated the ending at first, but now I live with it and moved on. Now I need another ME and this new concept sounds exciting! From reading other posts in other topics, all I see is people are complaining about not set in the milky way and that we only explored 1%  of it, why is it not set there. I'll tell you why, because of ME3's endings, that's why. Bioware wrote themselves into a corner with those endings, here is their escape, no matter how cheap people think it is. So this new fresh start is going to be good.  

 

As it goes, I predict the story will be something like, set during or near the end of ME3, the council got a group of people/all species together to volunteer to travel to the other galaxy in an ARK, to save their races, fearing the galaxy is doomed by the reaper threat(set before Ranoc/Geth/Quarin decisions, so all species from the original are in the game). DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN,  600 years later or so(how every long it takes to travel lol) and using some kind of technology to keep everyone sleeping, maybe similar tech the prothean pod that Javik was in. You awake in another galaxy, now you have to survive this one and explore its wonders..etc etc.

 

That way it ties into the Mass effect universe and like the survey says, a galaxy untouched by Shepard's heroics.  Not bad eh?

EXAXTLY what I was thinking/hoping. I would love to take back the mystery and adventure of the original and I believe a new Galaxy is a viable way to do this. Why would Bioware try to dig themselves out of the hole some downer wrote when we can start a fresh slate?

[CrutchCricket]

The idea is cool on its own, even without being an escape from the endings.

 

Mass Effect: Outbound Flight.

 

If they got Timothy Zahn to write it, I'd even preorder.

[Steppenwolf]

I think you should watch the last ten minutes of ME3 again, including the Stargazer ending.

Take your own advice.

It's rather clear. The grandfather figure even suggests certain details have been "lost in time," which gives BioWare flexibility to really make any of the endings canon.

How is ignoring all of our choices to establish a canon galaxy-state preferable to a new galaxy?

[Revan Reborn]

Take your own advice.


How is ignoring all of our choices to establish a canon galaxy-state preferable to a new galaxy?

I don't think you understand. Nothing is being ignored and there is no "canon galaxy-state." Look at the Dragon Age Keep. Everybody has their own canon. Our choices would merely be somewhat reflected either in codex, dialogue, background, etc. There would at least be mention of the varying differences. The entire game doesn't need to be impacted by the endings of ME3.

[StealthGamer92]

In fact, if you have so little faith in BioWare's writing, why are you even here? That is the foundation of every game they make... I don't ever believe I claimed "choices don't matter unless their [sic] reflected in the sequel." That's your own imagining of my position. What I have said is that choice should matter. Period. This has been the case with every Mass Effect game. The fact you believe I'm "insane" for wanting BioWare to continue a tradition really says a lot about you. Do you know what the definition of insanity is?

This right here is a huge problem on the forums right now, it's depressing.

[Karlone123]

I look forward to this if it is true, and I hope Bioware does not do any re-writing like they did with ME3 if this was not meant to be leaked. I just hope this leap in the decision to set the game in a different galaxy does not go along the same path of ending up like ME3 being written into a wall. The important thing for me with the game distancing itself from the trilogy gives a lot of space to do something new with Mass Effect and does not have to be confined to the actions of Shepard. Yes, it may not feel like the Mass Effect we knew in the Milky Way. But this is a big undertaking in setting the story as one of the first people to explore a different galaxy. It will be unfamiliar territory, but I am glad some species like the Asari and Krogan will be returning to gives us a sense of famlilarity.

 

I am probably in the minority of those who does not mind a new galaxy and not seeing the after effects of the Reaper War.

[Karlone123]

I agree, I hope the leak is true. I also find it a nice fresh start, don't get me wrong, I loved Mass Effect 1-3 and hated the ending at first, but now I live with it and moved on. Now I need another ME and this new concept sounds exciting! From reading other posts in other topics, all I see is people are complaining about not set in the milky way and that we only explored 1%  of it, why is it not set there. I'll tell you why, because of ME3's endings, that's why. Bioware wrote themselves into a corner with those endings, here is their escape, no matter how cheap people think it is. So this new fresh start is going to be good.  

 

As it goes, I predict the story will be something like, set during or near the end of ME3, the council got a group of people/all species together to volunteer to travel to the other galaxy in an ARK, to save their races, fearing the galaxy is doomed by the reaper threat(set before Ranoc/Geth/Quarin decisions, so all species from the original are in the game). DUN DUN DUNNNNNNN,  600 years later or so(how every long it takes to travel lol) and using some kind of technology to keep everyone sleeping, maybe similar tech the prothean pod that Javik was in. You awake in another galaxy, now you have to survive this one and explore its wonders..etc etc.

 

That way it ties into the Mass effect universe and like the survey says, a galaxy untouched by Shepard's heroics.  Not bad eh?

 

It would actually be interesting in knowing if we could import a world state where Shepard refused to use the Crucible and thus the reapers completed the Harvest. Yet. the humans. turians, Asari etc still survived because of the ones who fled to Andromeda.

[Steppenwolf]

I don't think you understand. Nothing is being ignored and there is no "canon galaxy-state." Look at the Dragon Age Keep. Everybody has their own canon. Our choices would merely be somewhat reflected either in codex, dialogue, background, etc. There would at least be mention of the varying differences. The entire game doesn't need to be impacted by the endings of ME3.

That's entirely nonsense. There is no way each of the 4 endings could have such minor and similar impacts that a direct continuation in the Milky Way would be feasible.
Every living thing being technorganic wouldn't have zero impact, it would change the way everything works.
The Reapers being alive and controlled by Shepard is not a minor detail of the galaxy to be buried in a codex or addressed with one or two lines of throwaway dialogue. It would mean that Space Jesus has an army of technological marvels/juggernauts that can build utopias or police the entire galaxy.
Every Reaper, Geth and AI being destroyed would be a big deal. The Geth are wiped out, and there are thousands of Reaper corpses littering the galaxy, which would set off an arms race to see who could adapt their technology the fastest and most lethally.
If Shepard refused and the Reapers weren't stopped then everything gets wiped out.

These are not discrepancies that can be dealt with via save editor or vague writing.

[The Elder King]

That's entirely nonsense. There is no way each of the 4 endings could have such minor and similar impacts that a direct continuation in the Milky Way would be feasible.Every living thing being technorganic wouldn't have zero impact, it would change the way everything works.The Reapers being alive and controlled by Shepard is not a minor detail of the galaxy to be buried in a codex or addressed with one or two lines of throwaway dialogue. It would mean that Space Jesus has an army of technological marvels/juggernauts that can build utopias or police the entire galaxy.Every Reaper, Geth and AI being destroyed would be a big deal. The Geth are wiped out, and there are thousands of Reaper corpses littering the galaxy, which would set off an arms race to see who could adapt their technology the fastest and most lethally.If Shepard refused and the Reapers weren't stopped then everything gets wiped out.These are not discrepancies that can be dealt with via save editor or vague writing.

I agree with this. There is enough difference in ParaControl and RenControl to make an unified future diluting our choices.
If might've been something Bioware could've done (Though based on their speech both before the release and afterwards if seems clear to me they didn't want to touch post-ME3 MW), but not in a Way that would've respected our choices, in my opinion.

[ElitePinecone]

I look forward to this if it is true, and I hope Bioware does not do any re-writing like they did with ME3 if this was not meant to be leaked.

They didn't actually rewrite anything in ME3 because of the leaked script. What was the in the leak was exactly what we got in the game, right down to the Catalyst's dialogue.

[wolfhowwl]

They didn't actually rewrite anything in ME3 because of the leaked script. What was the in the leak was exactly what we got in the game, right down to the Catalyst's dialogue.

 

I think there was change between the various script leaks because of the decision to move Javik from being involved in the central plot to DLC but other than that yeah.

[Silcron]

That's entirely nonsense. There is no way each of the 4 endings could have such minor and similar impacts that a direct continuation in the Milky Way would be feasible.Every living thing being technorganic wouldn't have zero impact, it would change the way everything works.The Reapers being alive and controlled by Shepard is not a minor detail of the galaxy to be buried in a codex or addressed with one or two lines of throwaway dialogue. It would mean that Space Jesus has an army of technological marvels/juggernauts that can build utopias or police the entire galaxy.Every Reaper, Geth and AI being destroyed would be a big deal. The Geth are wiped out, and there are thousands of Reaper corpses littering the galaxy, which would set off an arms race to see who could adapt their technology the fastest and most lethally.If Shepard refused and the Reapers weren't stopped then everything gets wiped out.These are not discrepancies that can be dealt with via save editor or vague writing.

Exactly. It just seems that they're not distancing themselves from the trilogy but the endings. Because doing more ME games set after the endings we would need to have pokemon like ME games.

"But wasn't ME4 the one you wanted?"

"Well yeah, but this is Green Synthesis ME4, I wanted Red Destroy ME4"

And it's not like the old galaxy and our choices don't exist, we're just taking a new protagonist and familiar alien/characters to explore a new place. It's like if you were say, one of the spanish Catholic Kings (in spanish it's Los Reyes Catolicos, just translating) and in this new game you're Columbus going to America, it's not Europe, sure, but it's still part of the world, the same way Andromeda is not out galaxy but it's still part of the Mass Effect Universe. It's an appealing setting and to be honest, I dig it.

[Revan Reborn]

That's entirely nonsense. There is no way each of the 4 endings could have such minor and similar impacts that a direct continuation in the Milky Way would be feasible.
Every living thing being technorganic wouldn't have zero impact, it would change the way everything works.
The Reapers being alive and controlled by Shepard is not a minor detail of the galaxy to be buried in a codex or addressed with one or two lines of throwaway dialogue. It would mean that Space Jesus has an army of technological marvels/juggernauts that can build utopias or police the entire galaxy.
Every Reaper, Geth and AI being destroyed would be a big deal. The Geth are wiped out, and there are thousands of Reaper corpses littering the galaxy, which would set off an arms race to see who could adapt their technology the fastest and most lethally.
If Shepard refused and the Reapers weren't stopped then everything gets wiped out.

These are not discrepancies that can be dealt with via save editor or vague writing.

Your lack of faith in BioWare's writing because of your own narrow perception of what can be "dealt with via save editor or vague writing" is a disservice to BioWare and nothing more. Do you honestly believe BioWare did not plan ahead and understand how these endings would impact the future of the franchise? I know many just assume BioWare just "wrote themselves into a wall." That, however, is one of the dumbest and most ridiculous statements I have ever heard. The writing team isn't comprised of little children. This isn't the first story each member of the team has written, far from it. The mere fact you do not see a resolution to a perceived "problem" does not mean it doesn't exist.

 

We still don't know how far into the future the next Mass Effect. We don't know where it is taking place, regardless of this "leak." Again, only 1% of the Milky Way had been explored. There is so much we don't know that it's incredibly outrageous and shortsighted to say what BioWare can't do. You are not a member of the writing team. You are not an authority on Mass Effect nor where it will go in the future. Like the rest of us, all you know is what we experienced in the games and nothing more. You can continue believing BioWare "screwed up," if you'd like. However, I believe you may find yourself disappointed, especially if previous choices actually do have an impact on the story going forward through some sort of Mass Effect Keep.