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[BroBear Berbil]

http://steamcommunit...952470913885583

 

With Steam taking reportedly 75% of the profits and being able to hold money until a modder makes at least $100

 

http://steamcommunit...fofaq/#Payments

 

Thoughts? Is this a good or bad thing?

 

Personally, I fear what this will do to modding in not just Elder Scrolls but other series. I won't be buying anything that's for sure.

 

Edit: And I have to say I'm really disappointed in what Valve is becoming. I thought that by not being a publicly traded company they had some leeway to be more consumer oriented (or "pure" if you will). I've steadily watched Steam become a scrap heap of shovelware, endless 2D indie platformers, and Early Access garbage - and now this.

[OdanUrr]

Sounds like Steam wants to make money off other people's work.

EDIT: Also, wouldn't there be legal (copyright) issues?

[BroBear Berbil]

Bethesda has given the go ahead, so it'll come down to the individual mods I guess. The question floating around right now is that some of these mods rely on SKSE and SkyUI and whether they were given permission on that front.

 

Also, I'm thinking since lots of mods are just art assets taken from other games this could open up tons of cans of worms potentially. If anything it'll make for some interesting internet drama for awhile.

[ObserverStatus]

Remember that time Blizzard tried to seize the rights to a WarCraft III mod and the guy who created it ended up joining Valve and creating the sequel as a standalone title?

[Cyonan]

I can see this being a minefield of legal issues.

 

This seems like a greedy move by Valve, especially if they really are taking as much as 75% of the money. It's actually something I would expect from EA.

 

Also, Nexus has over 40000 Skyrim mods for free. I know it might be damaging in the future for the next Elder Scrolls or Fallout games but still...

 

Who the hell is paying for Skyrim mods at this point?

[CassandraSaturn's Ring]

Sounds like Steam wants to make money off other people's work.
 

 

This is an outrage!

[FKA_Servo]

I can see this being a minefield of legal issues.

 

This seems like a greedy move by Valve, especially if they really are taking as much as 75% of the money. It's actually something I would expect from EA.

 

Also, Nexus has over 40000 Skyrim mods for free. I know it might be damaging in the future for the next Elder Scrolls or Fallout games but still...

 

Who the hell is paying for Skyrim mods at this point?

 

A bunch of people, probably. A number of the most popular creators seem to have made the jump. Chesko (Frostfall) and isoku (iNeed) as well as Wet and Cold among them.

 

I have a hard time begrudging creators wanting to make something from their hard work, but.. this is enormously disheartening. It keeps up, it will not bode well for the modding communities of any future Fallout or TES games, I can promise that.

 

On the other hand... Valve can do no wrong, right? 

 

Ugh.

[Johnnie Walker]

Well every gaming company will have pros and cons, it's just up to you to decide what cons you can live with and what pros you can't live without.

[Ren Roche]

Wow Valve. Well, this surely is gonna get problematic, especially if it spreads to other games. Many modders will get greedy and then you'll see plenty more of paid mods than free ones - "Want a good mod that improves stuff? Pay for it!". Too early to predict how it'll go but it still is disappointing to see Valve doing this. Why not just add a donation option so that people who like the modder can support them that way? But of course, what an outragious idea! In that case Valve would not be able to get a cut from the mod sales.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Considering the best Skyrim mods are from copyrighted works.

If they try monetizing them, they're going to get sued.

Hard.

 

So let them.

 

Valve needs to be taken down a peg so they stop making stupid decisions.

[L. Han]

As much as I think modders should get rewarded and compensated for  their hard work. I do think when money gets involved things start to get a bit more business centric.

 

I'd rather see modders have a dedicated donation system or Patreon.

[L. Han]

Might I add that Steam/Valve still has not sorted out their Greenlight system? There are some developers who are dumping first-time projects on to Steam and charging actual money for them. Stuff you would normally find free on development forums or even just flash games on Newgrounds or something. Not to mention many of these games are barely functional, packed in with malware, and/or are rip-offs of other games.

[AventuroLegendary]

As with Steam Greenlight, there will definitely be tons of greedy modders trying to make a quick buck and taking advantage of Steam's lack of a quality control. 

 

Good job?

 

EDIT: Ninja'd.

[Fast Jimmy]

I like the idea. It gives people the option to make money off of their hard work. And it incentivizes Steam to lay down the framework of payment and integration into their platform to make it easy for everyone to use.

The question is... who is going to field the complaints when someone decides to charge full price for a mod and then doesn't fix it when the newest patch comes out?

[Fast Jimmy]

As much as I think modders should get rewarded and compensated for their hard work. I do think when money gets involved things start to get a bit more business centric.

I'd rather see modders have a dedicated donation system or Patreon.

Yeah, the waters get murky with money, for sure.

Maybe a system where Steam holds onto the funds for X amount of weeks before releasing them to the modder in question might be a good idea, to allow easy refunds or to pull the plug on a project that gets lots of complaints.

Of course, the real issue is if you release a paid mod, I buy it and reverse engineer it and sell it slightly re-skinned for slightly less money...

[Inquisitor Recon]

So pirating mods is a thing now?

[L. Han]

^Nexus already handles mods and modder accountability. Steam doesn't even bother checking if the products (and mods) has malware or trojans. Besides, Steam's mod size limit means that the mods on the workshop are usually rather small or lite versions of the ones on the Nexus.

[Cyonan]

A bunch of people, probably. A number of the most popular creators seem to have made the jump. Chesko (Frostfall) and isoku (iNeed) as well as Wet and Cold among them.

 

I have a hard time begrudging creators wanting to make something from their hard work, but.. this is enormously disheartening. It keeps up, it will not bode well for the modding communities of any future Fallout or TES games, I can promise that.

 

On the other hand... Valve can do no wrong, right? 

 

Ugh.

 

I still don't get why people would buy it unless they're significantly changing stuff, since I checked and both those mods are still free on the Nexus. I assume they're not getting future updates, though.

 

Content creators wanting to get money isn't a bad thing, but it should be done with donations and Patreon as suggested above. Actually charging for stuff is going to cause a whole lot of issues especially considering the fact that Valve barely bothers with quality control on their own distribution platform.

 

Not to mention all the legal stuff from people using other mod's codes like SKSE or SkyUI, and people using other game's art assets. I don't imagine Blizzard would be too appreciative of somebody selling Frostmourne + Lich King Armour in Skyrim for $5.

 

I see it being much worse for Fallout 4 and TES VI, since we currently have 3 and a half years worth of free modding for Skyrim already done.

[Riven326]

I can see this being a minefield of legal issues.

 

This seems like a greedy move by Valve, especially if they really are taking as much as 75% of the money. It's actually something I would expect from EA.

 

Also, Nexus has over 40000 Skyrim mods for free. I know it might be damaging in the future for the next Elder Scrolls or Fallout games but still...

 

Who the hell is paying for Skyrim mods at this point?

This is definitely something I would expect from Valve.

[Elhanan]

Saw this occur during the days of NWN1, and when some Player created mods became a paid feature. But as I recall, Atari seemed to crush the series, interfered with the mod authors, Bioware, and the community; simply ruined it all for everyone.

Currently, I would be willing to pay for quality mods if affordable. But due to the past history of involving money, rights, control, etc with a corporation, I have my doubts if the end result will be beneficial to all.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Steam mod users right now:

 

 

People with common sense will stick to the Nexus which has a wider array of mods and more importantly: it's FREE.

 

 

Edit: And I have to say I'm really disappointed in what Valve is becoming. I thought that by not being a publicly traded company they had some leeway to be more consumer oriented (or "pure" if you will). I've steadily watched Steam become a scrap heap of shovelware, endless 2D indie platformers, and Early Access garbage - and now this.

 

And unfortunately it's the only major PC client on the market so they get to get away with this crap. Steam's quality is deteriorating especially with the Greenlight shite.

 

This paid mod system will probably soon be introduced to other games. I guess it all depends on the success here and naturally, this would be a bad thing.

[FKA_Servo]

^Nexus already handles mods and modder accountability. Steam doesn't even bother checking if the products (and mods) has malware or trojans. Besides, Steam's mod size limit means that the mods on the workshop are usually rather small or lite versions of the ones on the Nexus.

 

They recently did away with the size restrictions, actually. Now we know why.

 

I'm with Cyonan - I've supported this stuff occasionally in the past, and I can't fault people who work very hard on something to get compensation for their hard work, but it really should be limited to paypals and donations.

 

The community that modding creates should be it's own reward - they should be made by people who want to do it. I don't think there should ever be an absolute expectation of monetary compensation for creating something with a toolkit.

[Inquisitor Recon]

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[Eternal Phoenix]

http://steamcommunit...163&searchtext=

 

Or kill him in Deadly Premonition...

 

 

Seems that Japanese dev predicted his evil ways.

[FKA_Servo]

 

Steam mod users right now:

 

 

People with common sense will stick to the Nexus which has a wider array of mods and more importantly: it's FREE.

 

Agreed - but it's a problem if the most lauded mod creators abandon the nexus. Right now, the latest version of a bunch of my favorite mods are up on Steam for 4-5 bucks a pop. They're still on the nexus, but a version or two behind. If the creators keep the nexus updated (and have the newest version on Steam) it won't be the end of the world, but this is still really disappointing.