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Here is a Space Engineers dev basically confirming it. This is the future and it looks like it is here to stay. Well, I know what game I won't be spending my money on in the future. Now excuse me while I go update my Steam Wishlist...
No! NOT SPACE ENGINEERS TOO!!!!
Honestly I'm glad that GOG has a decent library of cRPGs and Strategy games.
They're my two favourite genres, so PC will always be my main gaming platform regardless. But I think I'll look more seriously into investing money into getting a Wii U and going back to my Nintoddler roots.
AKA.
Playing Legend of Zelda and ruining friendships with Mario Party.
Bethesda essentially wants to make money off someone they dont pay. Id rather have these modders hired than be chumpchanged like this. If Modders think they can be supported by doing this, they are dead wrong.
Most highend modders have donations set up. they get 100% of dat money instead of 25%. This is so poorly thoughtout.
Bunch of money in marketing = Better games. Better games = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ duh.
It works for Rockstar and sporadically for Activision. The problem is that every publisher with money is thinking they can replicate the formula with every game.
You'd think after 2014 which saw Thief, Far Cry 4, AC: Unity, Watch Dogs, Destiny, CoD:AW, Titanfall, DA:I and even TES:O come out to lukewarm sales, that perhaps needing to sell 5 million copies just to stay even is not a sustainable business practice. But no, the problem isn't bloated budgets, mediocre games at launch and too many eggs placed into AAA baskets, the problem is that they haven't found enough ways to nickle and dime the consumer base.
It's trading consumer confidence for short term profitability. They're banking on gamers being passive. And for the most part, they're right. It doesn't help that gamers are smeared as 'entitled children' by a corrupt press when they speak up.
Perhaps a total crash isn't going to happen, although I'm in the kind of mood where I think one is inevitable if this keeps up. Maybe we won't see a THQ style collapse, but the market is eventually going to correct itself and there will be a lot of layoffs and cancelled games before this is over.
I just hope all this pain leads to a return of the AA developer. Distinctly not Indie, but without the huge teams, bloated budgets and obscene marketing campaigns of the AAA.
Just as a side note to the people defending this by saying that modders deserve to be compensated for their work. First off, it's voluntary work. If modders leave, it in no way affects their livelihood. Secondly, modders get 25% of profits. Bethesda and Valve receive 75% of the profits. That should really tell you who this move is aimed at helping. Protip: It's not the modders. If this was really about the modders, they'd institute a "pay what you want" model where users could donate to modders and Valve/Bethesda's cut would be 10% each or less. This is about using modders as a subcontractor for content creation (DLC/Microtransactions).
Or worse yet, as bugfixers if mods that fix bugs or improve functionality get hidden behind paywalls.
After I discovered GOG, I was really tempted to just dump Steam entirely. I only kept it because some of my friends and I only had games in common through Steam.
The only thing keeping Steam on my computer at all is the fact that I haven't looked for a way to launch 7 Days to Die using some other method. If I can play that game without the need for Steam, there's no reason right now for it to be on my computer.
Valve is exploiting their market position with greedy, borderline anti-competitive nonsense. I don't want Steam anymore.
If EA was smart, they should capitalise on the PR blunder by incorporating their own workshop with a donation button. Then go on badmouthing Steam and how they're anti-consumer/ anti-modder.
I doubt they will... marketing today is more geared towards ads then any goodwill advertising. 
If EA was smart, they should capitalise on the PR blunder by incorporating their own workshop with a donation button. Then go on badmouthing Steam and how they're anti-consumer/ anti-modder.
I doubt they will... marketing today is more geared towards ads then any goodwill advertising.
It would be worth it just for people to defend Origin at the expense of Steam.
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This would have sucked if it was in place 10 years ago when I was all up the ass of NWN mods.
Nowadays I don't have the motivation to delve deeper than what the game offers out of the box.
You mean when Bioware came up with premium modules?
Lol who does this though?
It would be worth it just for people to defend Origin at the expense of Steam.
I think it'd be worth it for people not to claim EA is the sole cancer of the industry... Wow EA has PR issues...
Lol who does this though?
Lol who does this though?
You mean it's news to you that people put game developers on some weird pedestal? The CDPR expansion pass blow-up should have been pretty conclusive proof that gamers have some weird and unhealthy ideals/relationships with large corporations that exist to take their money.
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You mean when Bioware came up with premium modules?
You mean it's news to you that people put game developers on some weird pedestal? The CDPR expansion pass blow-up should have been pretty conclusive proof that gamers have some weird and unhealthy ideals/relationships with large corporations that exist to take their money.
Okay... CDPR blow up? I think I need to pay slightly more attention to The Witcher 3
Expansion Pass, basically opening up pre-orders for future Witcher 3 expansions. Bit like a Season Pass. It's not that bad, though I question logic of people pre-ordering AAA games since they wouldn't need the extra money before release. Especially for non base game content. It's a greedy move, but nothing that screws over the consumer.Okay... CDPR blow up? I think I need to pay slightly more attention to The Witcher 3
If EA was smart, they should capitalise on the PR blunder by incorporating their own workshop with a donation button. Then go on badmouthing Steam and how they're anti-consumer/ anti-modder.
I doubt they will... marketing today is more geared towards ads then any goodwill advertising.
It would be a smart move, although I wonder how many games on Origins actually support modding.
It's been a while since I actually looked at the store on it.
It would be a smart move, although I wonder how many games on Origins actually support modding.
It's been a while since I actually looked at the store on it.
I think only the Sims franchise.
Expansion Pass, basically opening up pre-orders for future Witcher 3 expansions. Bit like a Season Pass. It's not that bad, though I question logic of people pre-ordering AAA games since they wouldn't need the extra money before release. Especially for non base game content. It's a greedy move, but nothing that screws over the consumer.
But a lot of people flipped their lid because it broke their idea of CDPR being run on altruism.
Wow... some people need to learn that there's a thing called outside... and I don't mean another map in a game...
I'm just surprised this has gone so far.
It'd be like if book publishers started monetising fan fiction. People wouldn't put up with that. Yet gamers are all too happy to be reamed up the ass time and time again.
I get that AAA development costs are rising, but it's not my job to balance their budgets. The fact that they're spending hundreds of millions, half on marketing, for the chance to make megabucks is not my concern.
Japanese devs seem to be the only ones who understand budgeting for their market rather than investing oodles of money, relying on killer sales to recoup costs. And gamers are suffering for their irresponsibility.
Are things so hot in Japan these days? Capcom and SquareEnix seem like great examples of horrendous mismanagement.
There's also the mass migration out of the contracting console market into mobile which is good for developers staying in business, not so much for people that liked the console experience from Japanese developers. Additionally depending on what you're into you might not like the doubling down on a core otaku demographic that some of the remaining developers have done. I don't want to judge but some of that stuff is...yeah.
I think only the Sims franchise.
I suppose that'd be a start.
and might start getting back some good will from Sims fans after The Sims 4.
I'm sad to say that at the end of the day I can't see them not getting away with this, if only because because the alternatives are either not viable (GOG, Origin, Uplay, Desura) or both more expensive and consumer unfriendly (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft).
Okay... CDPR blow up? I think I need to pay slightly more attention to The Witcher 3
CDPR won't touch this with a ten foot barge pole. I doubt the guys at Avalanche will either. Valve may have snagged Bethesda, but there's a slew of devs who simply won't allow their code to be sold. In the long run, it only hurts Bethesda and Valve. And I gotta say, while I can see Valve's role in all this, Bethesda has just backstabbed their fans. It's inexcusable, and I doubt their reputations will ever recover. Half the reason they're the dominant RPG dev is because of the freedom they offered to modders, and now that has shot right out the window, A monumentally stupid move when you have REDkit from CDPR right around the corner.
Outside sucks. Few interesting NPCs and the difficulty curve is hard unless you have money.
The NPCs are worthless, 90+% of the gameplay is boring, visuals are vastly overrated, very buggy (no sound in space, not that you can even get to space unless you have a ton of money to throw at the devs), character creator sucks, greatest ripoff since Aliens: Colonial Marines.
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