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[bEVEsthda]

So, you have the ability to predict the future, but then you screw it up by having faith in people.

 

I see where you went wrong there.

 

Whenever money is involved faith in people goes out the window.

 

So your fear is that the modding community indeed will crash?

You know, I can see this. But as no one is going to make any money or get any mods in circulation, I can also see the modding community to rise again.

 

But yes, maybe Bethesda & Valve approached this the wrong way. Maybe they should have offered the opportunity to make commercial products based upon and including their games and tools, in a way that was perceived as distinguished from established modding?

[zeypher]

Oh another thing, here is one the first paid mods for skyrim the shadowscale set:

 

http://i.imgur.com/HsDpuFe.jpg

 

Notice the problem? its behind a paywall, the entire set is one bloody piece which has to be added via console as no other way exists, ofcourse will not work with the armor perks etc, no female model and also glitches through the damn UI.

 

The so called quality standard of paid mods and they are the first ones valve is advertising. 

 

You suggest future and hope but all i see already is more doom. Early access paid mods- check, copied content - check, in game advertising to buy the paid version - check and all my examples are from the initial batch of mods, mods which valve contacted the creators to make around 2 months before releasing it with the paid workshop launch.

 

So explain to me how any of the crap you spout and all what i see will lead to a net benefit for consumers? All that you have done is faffed about the possibilities but what about real bloody problems that you want to dust under the carpet?

 

here more examples:

http://imgur.com/gallery/qFlFa

[mickey111]

gamers truly are the frog in the boiling water. It's a safe bet that when full blown expansion packs like skyrims falskaar, Thief2X, and Freespace 2s blue planet come along that gamers will happily pay $20 for it. They'll even go so far as to thank the system for ****** them over for it, with paid journalists revising history, saying it couldn't have happened without paid mods and that there is no way a group of people could build what could be regarded as a full fledged expansion pack out of nothing but good will and pats on the back.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Stop it guys, I might actually reach that maximum allowed likes quotum for the first time if you go on like this.

[Dermain]

Wont be opportunities if you know how modding actually works, here copied this from reddit but it applies quite nicely:

*snip*

 

Pretty much.

 

The best way to turn people into selfish pricks is to add large sums of money.

 

For instance, look at the banking industry. 

 

Stop it guys, I might actually reach that maximum allowed likes quotum for the first time if you go on like this.

 

The horror.

 

So your fear is that the modding community indeed will crash?

You know, I can see this. But as no one is going to make any money or get any mods in circulation, I can also see the modding community to rise again.

 

But yes, maybe Bethesda & Valve approached this the wrong way. Maybe they should have offered the opportunity to make commercial products based upon and including their games and tools, in a way that was perceived as distinguished from established modding?

 

In a way, yes. 

 

If a modder/group of modders decides that it's better to hoard their knowledge so that they will be able to make money off of their own mod then there will be less incentive for modders to work together. 

 

If Modder A makes Mod X, and then Modder B comes along and wants to work Mod X into Mod Y it is unlikely that they will work together simply because of the money involved. 

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Actually, come to think of it, Bethesda and Valve had a hand in Troika's demise too.

Valve's embargo for the Source engine severely limited what Troika could do with Bloodlines, and Troika was forced to release their game on the same day as HL 2. Making Bloodlines look poor in comparison. To be fair, most of the hardship they suffered for that can be put on Activision, but Valve still had a hand in it. :^)

As for Bethesda, Troika were outbid by Bethesda on the Fallout license, meaning that the post-apoc prototype they were working on was harder to pitch since it was a new IP. Unable to find a publisher willing to fund their next project, and unwilling to work outside the RPG genre, Troika gave up and set about to find their employees new jobs before shutting down.

The signs were there 10 years ago, but we didn't listen.

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[zeypher]

In game advertising courtesy of mods:

 

http://i.4cdn.org/v/1429952656706.png

 

Another one of valve's first paid mods. Enjoy more pop ups for buy user made DLC when we gave ea **** over the same bloody practice. 

 

Finally for all you idiots who place any company on a pedestal and especially to those who keep worshipping Gabe N as their lords, here an eye opener for you all

 

http://i.imgur.com/dI35EkB.png

 

In the end a paid for mod is not a mod any-more but a third party DLC without any quality control of a first party DLC but do not worry bethesda still gets paid.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Just for reference in case it looks like I'm just talking out of my ass re: Troika



It's really Activision's fault for most of this, but yeah.



Based Tim Cain knew the truth. He tried to warn us.



Seriously, I have a huge mancrush on Tim Cain. Lead Designer/Programmer on Fallout 1/2, Lead Designer/Programmer on Arcanum, Lead Programmer on Bloodlines, Lead Designer/Programmer on ToEE, Senior Programmer on Pillars of Eternity. Man has an amazing resume, along with a really humble and down to earth personality.

10/10, would buy a beer for

[bEVEsthda]

gamers truly are the frog in the boiling water. It's a safe bet that when full blown expansion packs like skyrims falskaar, Thief2X, and Freespace 2s blue planet come along that gamers will happily pay $20 for it. They'll even go so far as to thank the system for ****** them over for it, with paid journalists revising history, saying it couldn't have happened without paid mods and that there is no way a group of people could build what could be regarded as a full fledged expansion pack out of nothing but good will and pats on the back.

 

A type of arguments that have been in circulation for a long time regarding freeware vs. commercial software tools.

 

And I don't think they're valid for making any argument one way or another. The truly worthwhile software tend to be either fully commercial, or heavily subsidized by big players (IBM, Oracle, Sun). But the freeware scene has also been very fruitful, much because of the cooperation. And neither camp has been able to make away with the others.

 

P.S. Actually I think there is an argument: That it's necessary for software to be commercial, to evolve to truly good and powerful tools.

[Liamv2]

A type of arguments that have been in circulation for a long time regarding freeware vs. commercial software tools.

 

And I don't think they're valid for making any argument one way or another. The truly worthwhile software tend to be either fully commercial, or heavily subsidized by big players (IBM, Oracle, Sun). But the freeware scene has also been very fruitful, much because of the cooperation. And neither camp has been able to make away with the others.

 

P.S. Actually I think there is an argument: That it's necessary for software to be commercial, to evolve to truly good and powerful tools.

 

Yes except commercial software is always better than freeware. Right now absolute garbage is being sold for downright ridiculous prices.

[bEVEsthda]

Yes except commercial software is always better than freeware. Right now absolute garbage is being sold for downright ridiculous prices.

 

Indeed. So don't buy it. Let failures fail.

[Liamv2]

Indeed. So don't buy it. Let failures fail.

 

The whole don't buy it argument doesn't fit here. You might as well say that about all the horrendous garbage that has been on steam lately. It's a storefront now and as such quality control should exist.

[Dermain]

The whole don't buy it argument doesn't fit here. You might as well say that about all the horrendous garbage that has been on steam lately. It's a storefront now and as such quality control should exist.

 

It rarely works anywhere.

 

Hell, I still see those car headlight eyelashes every now and then. 

[Garryydde]

Yes except commercial software is always better than freeware. Right now absolute garbage is being sold for downright ridiculous prices.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Indeed. So don't buy it. Let failures fail.

 

That sure worked perfectly with the dlc plague.

[bEVEsthda]

The whole don't buy it argument doesn't fit here. You might as well say that about all the horrendous garbage that has been on steam lately. It's a storefront now and as such quality control should exist.

 

?  Are you buying horrendous garbage from Steam?

 

Or are you only concerned for those poor hordes who apparently do?

 

In the restaurant business, it spells disaster to let even one single bad dish go out. I'll leave it to Steam to make the business decision of what kind of level of quality control they feel is best for their business. I'm not saying it's bad idea, but I'm not really concerned.

[Alan Rickman]

Thanks for reminding me I need to play VtMB again.

 

edit: Sweet! The unofficial patch has been updated since last I played.

Modifié par JobacNoor, 26 avril 2015 - 12:18 .

[bEVEsthda]

It rarely works anywhere.

 

Hell, I still see those car headlight eyelashes every now and then. 

 

Please tell me that your point is not that you should decide what should be offered for sale, or not, everywhere?

[Liamv2]

?  Are you buying horrendous garbage from Steam?

 

Or are you only concerned for those poor hordes who apparently do?

 

In the restaurant business, it spells disaster to let even one single bad dish go out. I'll leave it to Steam to make the business decision of what kind of level of quality control they feel is best. I'm not saying it's bad idea, but I'm not really concerned.

 

No. But it's still there clogging up the storefront making it harder to find new actually good stuff. This business is very different to a restaurant due to the huge numbers of people making the things.

[bEVEsthda]

No. But it's still there clogging up the storefront making it harder to find new actually good stuff. 

 

Correct. I agree. Which is why I said "I'm not saying it's bad idea".

[bEVEsthda]

Having had a quick look at how Valve and Bethesda have implemented this, I have to say that they have spent way too little effort and time. This is gonna be one hell of a train wreck. Yes, it's just a quick, greedy, sloppy money grab, and they have damaged what could be a good idea.

[Rannik]

Daily reminder:

 

Had to wait two years for GTA V
MGSV delayed on PC (no collectors edition, $60 for digital version)

No FFXV
No Kingdom Hearts 3
No Bloodborne
No Persona 5

No Uncharted

Only getting year old Vita ports of the worst games (Rebirth series, worst Tales game, Fairy Fencer vita)

Day Z, Elite Dangerous, The Forest, Planetside 2 all coming to consoles
Exclusive library consists of shovelware any console gamer can play on a toaster (but they won't because they suck)

Literally renting games on Steam

LITERALLY PAYING FOR MODS

 

Where were you when consoles won?

 

The PS4 + WiiU + Mac (for work and Blizzard) combo is looking better and better by the day 

[Garryydde]

Ever considered that Bethesda may have done this to recoup their losses from The Elder Scrolls Online which failed miserably?

[Rannik]

- "Hey guys, we have this Elder Scrolls IP that everyone loves for their open world single player RPGs, just look at how much Skyrim has sold!"

 

- "I have an idea, let's churn out yet another generic theme park MMO and slap the TES name on it, everyone will surely buy it!

 

- "LMAO... let's do it."

[Cribbian]

Bah, humbug. Like paying for fanfiction.