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[Dunmer of Redoran]

^They don't even bother policing their own store. Forget mods.

 

Yeah, they put some effort into the "debut" mods but seeing as how they completely overlooked Chesko using content that other mod authors used, I have no idea how they'd be able to monitor such an issue on a larger scale.

 

Valve has shown in the past they have little to no interest in doing quality control on Steam. If they aren't doing it for the actual games that get put on the platform, I doubt if they're going to do it for mods.

 

The FAQ also states that it's up to the developer of the mod to fix any problems, and if they don't then you're screwed other than a 24 hour period just after purchase where you can get a refund.

 

The only increase in quality will be if the people buying the mods demand it, and don't buy mods that can be unstable.

 

It certainly doesn't look like the mods are taking off. There were some initial sales but it appears as though sales on most of them are slowing down pretty significantly.

[Dermain]

The typical argument seems to be "you're not entitled to other people's hard work"

 

Apologies, but I couldn't resist the urge to mock the beliefs behind statements like that.

 

Entitled people ruin everything! If they don't have the skills to make their own mod, or if they don't have the money to buy one then they should stop whining and take responsibility for being worthless to society!

 

It's a good thing Valve has decided to put an end to the communist-socialist community that modders have set up! It's disgraceful that this has been able to go on for decades without good respectable companies deciding that it's better to make money off of modding instead of allowing it to stay as an entitlement program! Now that money is involved modders will now create brilliant works of art that they were never able to make before because no one was paying their hard work! Valve should also not regulate the sale of any of the mods, because as we all know, regulation stifles creativity!!!

[Eternal Phoenix]

Apologies, but I couldn't resist the urge to mock the beliefs behind statements like that.

 

Entitled people ruin everything! If they don't have the skills to make their own mod, or if they don't have the money to buy one then they should stop whining and take responsibility for being worthless to society!

 

It's a good thing Valve has decided to put an end to the communist-socialist community that modders have set up! It's disgraceful that this has been able to go on for decades without good respectable companies deciding that it's better to make money off of modding instead of allowing it to stay as an entitlement program! Now that money is involved modders will now create brilliant works of art that they were never able to make before because no one was paying their hard work! Valve should also not regulate the sale of any of the mods, because as we all know, regulation stifles creativity!!!

 

Please don't compare a free modding community to communism.

 

Other than that I'm going to agree with your sarcastic point. Modders were creating great works before without being paid. This paid mod nonsense will only become a stain on the modding community if it becomes popular.

 

But it's not just Valve to blame here, let's not forget that Bethesda agreed to this nonsense. I wonder who will follow in their footsteps next? I don't see it taking off but if it did, PC gaming will become even worst. PC is already second-best as far as many developers are concerned when making a new game, can you imagine a few years from now where every good mod for every new game is being sold as DLC?

[Elhanan]

Well, that did not take long:

http://www.reddit.co..._exit_from_the/

[Eternal Phoenix]

So the rest of the revenue go to Bethesda and Valve from paid mods right? Also they have the copyright of the mods and decide whether it continues getting distributed or not?

 

Unbelievable.

 

At this point, these two companies make E.A, Ubisoft and Capcom look like angels in comparison.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

SkyUI paid version in the works.

This industry is deeply sick and I can't see anyone of influence even wanting to find a cure. Publishers, Journalists, Developers, Distributors. It's a race to the bottom and they all expect the gamer to fit the bill.

[Rannik]

Valve being Valve, nothing new here.

It's good that some valvedrones are finally waking up though.
 

Hatred not only should have been pulled from Steam, it should be towed out to sea and nuked along with its creators

Nah.

[In Exile]

On the one hand, I do feel for all of the people caught up in this mess. I'm sure there are a lot of content creators who didn't except that there would be quite unpleasant IP related consequences to this arrangement.

On the other hand, in terms of the dynamics and legal issues, this is absolutely fascinating.

[Reznore57]

SkyUI paid version in the works.
 

 

Seriously, SkyUI???

I mean I have no problem with the creators of this mod getting money , but if you think Bethesda released Skyrim with this wonky interface on PC , never did anything about it , and are now getting money from mods fixing that.

Errr.....

[Bakgrind]

What I really find grotesque about the way Valve is  going about is that it's not even a Valve game. I wouldn't condone it but I would understand it. And why are they asking for a bigger cut than the modder would be getting only because they are hosting the mod. Another  thing that I have been trying to find out is if this is a Valve, Bethesda exclusive or can any mod hosting site get in on the action.

[wolfhowwl]

The Gaben cult of personality is too strong.

[ruggly]

[ObserverStatus]

SkyUI paid version in the works.

This industry is deeply sick and I can't see anyone of influence even wanting to find a cure. Publishers, Journalists, Developers, Distributors. It's a race to the bottom and they all expect the gamer to fit the bill.

Eh, oh well, I kinda wanted to play Fallout 4 on my PC with console optimized controls anyway.

[Fast Jimmy]

Well, that did not take long:

http://www.reddit.co..._exit_from_the/

Fascinating read. The bit about the Nexus earning money on the backend from this whole business is also pretty interesting.

What troubles me most is that Valve no claims full control of the mod content, refusing to take down the mod that was all original content. Of course, the Legal team's response is very dangerous - they will do so until they are legally compelled not to? I suppose it is gambling on the fact that a modder won't be able to afford legal representation that would actually be experienced enough to handle this (at least not for the lengthy time period it would take to take legal action against a company of Valve's size), but if they are found in violation of copyright law, there might be a very large number of potential payouts required in that case.

[Cyonan]

SkyUI is a paid mod?

 

Fine then, I'll go make my own UI mod.

 

With blackjack.

 

and hookers.

 

(actually, if they made the FO4 one paid I would seriously consider making my own UI mod).

[wolfhowwl]

Valve being Valve, nothing new here.

It's good that some valvedrones are finally waking up though.
 

 

They're not still in the "anyone that criticises Steam is an EA shill" phase?

[HiroVoid]

SkyUI is a paid mod?

 

Fine then, I'll go make my own UI mod.

 

With blackjack.

 

and hookers.

 

(actually, if they made the FO4 one paid I would seriously consider making my own UI mod).

If anything, it seems like one of the positives of this kind of structure.  The current version of SkyUI I belive is still available, but a new version's coming out that will be paid for that wouldn't be made otherwise anyway.

[HiroVoid]

Seriously, SkyUI???

I mean I have no problem with the creators of this mod getting money , but if you think Bethesda released Skyrim with this wonky interface on PC , never did anything about it , and are now getting money from mods fixing that.

Errr.....

Yeah.  This seems like one of those situations where I feel weird about Bethesda getting any profit for what's essentially fixes to their game.

[Bakgrind]

Fascinating read. The bit about the Nexus earning money on the backend from this whole business is also pretty interesting.

 

 

That is very interesting indeed.

[Dermain]

Please don't compare a free modding community to communism.

 

Other than that I'm going to agree with your sarcastic point. Modders were creating great works before without being paid. This paid mod nonsense will only become a stain on the modding community if it becomes popular.

 

But it's not just Valve to blame here, let's not forget that Bethesda agreed to this nonsense. I wonder who will follow in their footsteps next? I don't see it taking off but if it did, PC gaming will become even worst. PC is already second-best as far as many developers are concerned when making a new game, can you imagine a few years from now where every good mod for every new game is being sold as DLC?

 

But it totally is!!1111!1!!!!1111 

 

Hell, Taleworlds already did that with a few mods for Mount and Blade Warband (technically one was a mod of the original Mount and Blade). Thankfully, it really didn't work out for them.

[Cyonan]

If anything, it seems like one of the positives of this kind of structure.  The current version of SkyUI I belive is still available, but a new version's coming out that will be paid for that wouldn't be made otherwise anyway.

 

Well current version of SkyUI is available because mods have been free for the last 3 and a half years.

 

What worries me is most of the half way decent mods that fix all the stuff Bethesda never does right for the PC port being paid for in FO4 and TES VI which I imagine will have paid mods from launch.

[Inquisitor Recon]

But it totally is!!1111!1!!!!1111 

 

Hell, Taleworlds already did that with a few mods for Mount and Blade Warband (technically one was a mod of the original Mount and Blade). Thankfully, it really didn't work out for them.

Mods being turned into their own games/expansions is nothing new.

[ObserverStatus]

Well current version of SkyUI is available because mods have been free for the last 3 and a half years.

 

What worries me is most of the half way decent mods that fix all the stuff Bethesda never does right for the PC port being paid for in FO4 and TES VI which I imagine will have paid mods from launch.

Ah yes, Day 1 paid mods. That's probably going to be a thing too. Nice knowing you, PC gaming.

 

[Eternal Phoenix]

But it totally is!!1111!1!!!!1111 

 

Hell, Taleworlds already did that with a few mods for Mount and Blade Warband (technically one was a mod of the original Mount and Blade). Thankfully, it really didn't work out for them.

 

I think Valve fit the form of communist overlords better than the modding community since ultimately they are the ones profiting from these paid mods, having the true ownership of them. Then there's the religious worship of Gaben by Valve fanboys which is similar to the worship of Stalin. 

 

What I find most irritating is how these fans have long championed Steam as the saviour of PC gaming when it's been nothing but detrimental to it. It's simply been the lesser evil in the losing fight against piracy but ultimately, only the consumer ends up hurting...

 

[Cyonan]

Ah yes, Day 1 paid mods. That's probably going to be a thing too. Nice knowing you, PC gaming.

 

Now imagine retailers like EB Games doing exclusive paid mods as pre-order bonuses.

 

...and for anybody who works at a retailer with influence to implement ideas like this, move along. This is not the post you're looking for.