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[Iakus]

Where did you get the idea Reapers known an entire inch of galaxy?

 

 

Also remains of older civilizations from Portheans still exist.

Heck , the Leviathans still exist.  Why not others?

[Kabooooom]

Heck , the Leviathans still exist. Why not others?

When I first heard about the "tomb" setting from the concept art expose, I assumed it would involve the deep anomalies of various gas giants throughout the Milky Way. They are artificial in origin, and described as possible "tombs" of an ancient race in one planet description, but respond to external stimuli and descend into the clouds in others. Of course, they may not have been built by the same alien race...

But think about it, just about the only place better to hide than the bottom of a miles deep ocean would be in the crushing depths of a gas giant's atmosphere. So I'm sure there are more species than the Leviathans that have succeeded in evading the Reapers...at least for a little while.

[Iakus]

When I first heard about the "tomb" setting from the concept art expose, I assumed it would involve the deep anomalies of various gas giants throughout the Milky Way. They are artificial in origin, and described as possible "tombs" of an ancient race in one planet description, but respond to external stimuli and descend into the clouds in others. Of course, they may not have been built by the same alien race...

But think about it, just about the only place better to hide than the bottom of a miles deep ocean would be in the crushing depths of a gas giant's atmosphere. So I'm sure there are more species than the Leviathans that have succeeded in evading the Reapers...at least for a little while.

 

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ploba

[Kabooooom]

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ploba

Yeah I know, that's one of the ones that I was referring to. There is at least one other gas giant with similar deep anomalies hypothesized as "tombs" though.

[Iakus]

It just goes to show there's still boatloads of stuff in the Milky Way to explore.

[Steppenwolf]

It just goes to show there's still boatloads of stuff in the Milky Way to explore.

It's just too bad BioWare ****ed up the entire galaxy for future games.

[Kabooooom]

Ah here is the other one.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Anjea

And I agree wholeheartedly. There's a ton to still explore.

[Sweawm]

I thought really hard about this and I figured it out.

 

RETURN OF THE DARK ENERGY PLOT

 

Basically, remember the original plot/motive behind the actual Mass Effect trilogy that got cut out in the end after Mass Effect 2? All the foreshadowing that went nowhere? That in the original plot for Mass Effect 3, the Reapers were revealed to be created to solve the Dark Energy Crisis, a mysterious byproduct of Mass Effect Relay travel that was causing the lifespan of stars to rapidly accelerate? 

 

It's coming back. The Milky Way's stars have started going out and so all the species wanting out likely rerigged the Citadel Mass Relay (it can also Reapers instantaneous entry into the galaxy from Dark Space, so it's pretty damn powerful), to shoot them into another galaxy to start again. The drama of the new Mass Effect will center around the original Mass Effect species having to forcibly seize and colonize a place in a neighboring and hostile galaxy to survive. 

 

Because it makes sense. Why go all the way to another galaxy if the Milky Way isn't doomed to be destroyed?  

[dreamgazer]

"Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic life."

LOLDarkEnergy.

[goishen]

It might.  Perhaps the reapers were using the mass relays and the cycle kept the dark energy in check.  With them gone, however, the dark energy has now gone out of control.  Leaving several systems open to the fate of that one planet.  (I forget the name)

[Fiery Phoenix]

Again, this is all speculation based on theory and our "understanding" of how galaxies and the universe works. In case you don't know, gravity is a "theory," meaning it's not an absolute truth nor can it ever be definitively proven. It is merely a way of expressing our understanding of a phenomenon that happens on Earth. As you should know, gravity is different for every other planet in the solar system.

I'm sorry but this is just a fundamentally flawed understanding of the word 'theory'. You are confusing the everyday meaning of 'theory' with the scientific meaning.

 

In everyday language, when we say 'theory, we basically mean a guess. A scientific theory, on the other hand, is based on experimental, observational and testable evidence. Newton's theory of gravity qualifies as a scientific theory due to its use of physical principles to explain a great many observations and phenomena. So a scientific theory is not at all like a guess or a hypothesis, which we can freely change or alter at any time because it hasn't been carefully tested. Scientific theories cannot be replaced without us coming up with a better way of explaining the evidence supporting them.

 

The fact that gravity is different on other planets has nothing to do with any of this. What matters is the simple fact that gravity exists everywhere in the Universe and is one of the four fundamental forces of nature. To deny it is to deny science. And yes, the laws of physics really do apply everywhere else in the Universe, whether you're in your local diner on Earth or on an alien planet in the outer reaches of Andromeda.

 

None of this is someone's idea over dinner; it's real, provable science based on real, observable evidence. Science doesn't work with 'guesses'.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I thought really hard about this and I figured it out.

 

RETURN OF THE DARK ENERGY PLOT

 

Basically, remember the original plot/motive behind the actual Mass Effect trilogy that got cut out in the end after Mass Effect 2? All the foreshadowing that went nowhere? That in the original plot for Mass Effect 3, the Reapers were revealed to be created to solve the Dark Energy Crisis, a mysterious byproduct of Mass Effect Relay travel that was causing the lifespan of stars to rapidly accelerate? 

 

It's coming back. The Milky Way's stars have started going out and so all the species wanting out likely rerigged the Citadel Mass Relay (it can also Reapers instantaneous entry into the galaxy from Dark Space, so it's pretty damn powerful), to shoot them into another galaxy to start again. The drama of the new Mass Effect will center around the original Mass Effect species having to forcibly seize and colonize a place in a neighboring and hostile galaxy to survive. 

 

Because it makes sense. Why go all the way to another galaxy if the Milky Way isn't doomed to be destroyed?  

Why all the way to Andromeda when there are over a dozen dwarf galaxies that are a lot closer though? 

Also, the Reapers built the Relays, so how could they have been built to solve a problem that didn't exist yet? Plus they can just turn the Relays off, since that's what they did every other cycle. 

 

The Dark Energy plot was worse than the plot they ended up having. 

 

It might.  Perhaps the reapers were using the mass relays and the cycle kept the dark energy in check.  With them gone, however, the dark energy has now gone out of control.  Leaving several systems open to the fate of that one planet.  (I forget the name)

Except in 3 out of the 4 endings they are not gone. 

[Kabooooom]

I'm sorry but this is just a fundamentally flawed understanding of the word 'theory'. You are confusing the everyday meaning of 'theory' with the scientific meaning.

In everyday language, when we say 'theory, we basically mean a guess. A scientific theory, on the other hand, is based on experimental, observational and testable evidence. Newton's theory of gravity qualifies as a scientific theory due to its use of physical principles to explain a great many observations and phenomena. So a scientific theory is not at all like a guess or a hypothesis, which we can freely change or alter at any time because it hasn't been carefully tested. Scientific theories cannot be replaced without us coming up with a better way of explaining the evidence supporting them.

The fact that gravity is different on other planets has nothing to do with any of this. What matters is the simple fact that gravity exists everywhere in the Universe and is one of the four fundamental forces of nature. To deny it is to deny science. And yes, the laws of physics really do apply everywhere else in the Universe, whether you're in your local diner on Earth or on an alien planet in the outer reaches of Andromeda.

None of this is someone's idea over dinner; it's real, provable science based on real, observable evidence. Science doesn't work with 'guesses'.

Yeah, I called him out on this BS earlier. I tried to give him the benefit of doubt that he just phrased his thoughts wrong, but upon rereading it, the poor grasp of science is pretty obvious.

[goishen]

I'm sorry but this is just a fundamentally flawed understanding of the word 'theory'. You are confusing the everyday meaning of 'theory' with the scientific meaning.

 

In everyday language, when we say 'theory, we basically mean a guess. A scientific theory, on the other hand, is based on experimental, observational and testable evidence. Newton's theory of gravity qualifies as a scientific theory due to its use of physical principles to explain a great many observations and phenomena. So a scientific theory is not at all like a guess or a hypothesis, which we can freely change or alter at any time because it hasn't been carefully tested. Scientific theories cannot be replaced without us coming up with a better way of explaining the evidence supporting them.

 

The fact that gravity is different on other planets has nothing to do with any of this. What matters is the simple fact that gravity exists everywhere in the Universe and is one of the four fundamental forces of nature. To deny it is to deny science. And yes, the laws of physics really do apply everywhere else in the Universe, whether you're in your local diner on Earth or on an alien planet in the outer reaches of Andromeda.

 

None of this is someone's idea over dinner; it's real, provable science based on real, observable evidence. Science doesn't work with 'guesses'.

 

 

Law in physics --  A provable point by all mathematical formulas in all situations.

 

Theory in physics --  An educated guess with either some verification either observationally, mathematically, or both to back the theory.

 

Law of gravity.  Newton's Laws of Motion.

 

Theory of Evolution.  Theory of Relativity. 

 

EDIT :  And no, this isn't to dig on the poster that I quoted, but to build on him/her.  

[Kabooooom]

Law in physics -- A provable point by all mathematical formulas in all situations.

Theory in physics -- An educated guess with either some verification either observationally, mathematically, or both to back the theory.

Law of gravity. Newton's Laws of Motion.

Theory of Evolution. Theory of Relativity.

EDIT : And no, this isn't to dig on the poster that I quoted, but to build on him/her.

I'm sorry, but this not entirely correct either. A scientific theory is not a "guess". It is the most comprehensive, rigorous, reliable, and thoroughly tested construct of scientific knowledge, obtained through inductive reasoning. Scientific theories (well, the good ones anyways), are powerful in their predictive value. The predictions that are made, when tested, are taken as further evidence and strengthening of the theory.

For example, the two theories you cited - both evolution and relativity (special and general) have made so many predictions and have been so thoroughly tested that they will most likely never be replaced as theories. They are some of the most powerful theories in their explanatory power in all of science, and present a fundamental basis for our understanding of a wide range of natural phenomena. Evolution is particularly of import to myself, as both a biologist and a doctor. It truly forms the fundamental basis of all fields of biology and medicine today.

It would be lunacy to reject either of them, or to think that they approximate an unproven "best guess".

A "guess" is actually more akin to the common language definition of theory, which was the mistake that Revan initially made.

[Arl Raylen]

Leaving the Milky Way is plausabile in some sci fi series, but not ME. They've barely colonized like half a percent of livable worlds due to the restrictions of the relay system. If they can't even explore their own galaxy, how are they going to cross a million light years and reach Andromeda?

 

Even in series like Halo or Star Wars, where travel tech is far ahead of ME, only parts of the galaxy are inhabited.

[Heimdall]

Leaving the Milky Way is plausabile in some sci fi series, but not ME. They've barely colonized like half a percent of livable worlds due to the restrictions of the relay system. If they can't even explore their own galaxy, how are they going to cross a million light years and reach Andromeda?

 

Even in series like Halo or Star Wars, where travel tech is far ahead of ME, only parts of the galaxy are inhabited.

Not sure how the point is related.  Remember, much perhaps most of the relay network is unexplored because the Council forbids it do to the fear of encountering another dangerous species like the Rachni.  That's what caused the whole First Contact War, humans trying to open a previously closed Relay.  And they can travel to systems not connected by a Mass Relay, it just isn't as convenient.  It's not that they are incapable of exploring their own galaxy, they just don't generally.

[goishen]

I'm sorry, but this not entirely correct either. A scientific theory is not a "guess". It is the most comprehensive, rigorous, reliable, and thoroughly tested construct of scientific knowledge, obtained through inductive reasoning.

 

 

No, it is not.  That would be a law that you're talking about.  Apply those same words to laws and you've got it.  

 

 

 

For example, the two theories you cited - both evolution and relativity (special and general) have made so many predictions and have been so thoroughly tested that they will most likely never be replaced as theories.

 

Err, no.  I dunno, I'm not a physicist, so take this with a grain of salt.

 

I've heard one of the only things holding back the theory of relativity from becoming a law is that they don't know if light falling into a black hole goes the same speed as it does when it's not falling into a black hole.  Of course they can can make educated guesses about it.   They can theorize all they want.  But until someone can mathematically prove that light falling into  black hole travels at the same speed as when it's not...  It'll remain a theory.

 

 

 

 

They are some of the most powerful theories in their explanatory power in all of science, and present a fundamental basis for our understanding of a wide range of natural phenomena. Evolution is particularly of import to myself, as both a biologist and a doctor. It truly forms the fundamental basis of all fields of biology and medicine today.

 

What, just like the theory of using leeches to cure people because we were getting the demons out wasn't enough?

 

I'm not saying that the theory of evolution is wrong...   Hell, I believe in the theory.  I'm not saying that students can't build off'a theories.  However, until they are proven true in all circumstances (and the theory of evolution has a LLOOOOOOOOOOONNG way to go to do that), it will remain a theory.

 

 

 

It would be lunacy to reject either of them, or to think that they approximate an unproven "best guess".

A "guess" is actually more akin to the common language definition of theory, which was the mistake that Revan initially made.

 

Look, you make it sound like I'm Aristotle pointing to a pen that's dropping and saying, "Like things clump, thus the pen falls."  Which happened to be the theory of gravity until Newton came around.  All I'm saying is that the two theories have some things yet to prove to make it to be laws in physics.

 

EDIT :  Also, that's why I put educated as a qualifier before guess.   They're not just sitting here toking up, Dewd...   Why do you think that stuff falls?"   "Dewd, 'cause of gravity..."   "You're so right..."  "Man, this weed is good."

[ZoliCs]

Not sure how the point is related.  Remember, much perhaps most of the relay network is unexplored because the Council forbids it do to the fear of encountering another dangerous species like the Rachni.  That's what caused the whole First Contact War, humans trying to open a previously closed Relay.  And they can travel to systems not connected by a Mass Relay, it just isn't as convenient.  It's not that they are incapable of exploring their own galaxy, they just don't generally.

And because it would take a fuckton of time. 50k years per cycle doesn't really leave room to explore the whole galaxy.

[Kabooooom]

No, it is not. That would be a law that you're talking about. Apply those same words to laws and you've got it.




Err, no. I dunno, I'm not a physicist, so take this with a grain of salt.

I've heard one of the only things holding back the theory of relativity from becoming a law is that they don't know if light falling into a black hole goes the same speed as it does when it's not falling into a black hole. Of course they can can make educated guesses about it. They can theorize all they want. But until someone can mathematically prove that light falling into black hole travels at the same speed as when it's not... It'll remain a theory.





What, just like the theory of using leeches to cure people because we were getting the demons out wasn't enough?

I'm not saying that the theory of evolution is wrong... Hell, I believe in the theory. I'm not saying that students can't build off'a theories. However, until they are proven true in all circumstances (and the theory of evolution has a LLOOOOOOOOOOONNG way to go to do that), it will remain a theory.




Look, you make it sound like I'm Aristotle pointing to a pen that's dropping and saying, "Like things clump, thus the pen falls." Which happened to be the theory of gravity until Newton came around. All I'm saying is that the two theories have some things yet to prove to make it to be laws in physics.

EDIT : Also, that's why I put educated as a qualifier before guess. They're not just sitting here toking up, Dewd... Why do you think that stuff falls?" "Dewd, 'cause of gravity..." "You're so right..." "Man, this weed is good."

Dude, no no no. I dont know where you are getting this crap.

You seem to think this is how things go:

Hypothesis --> theory --> law.

It's not. It's not as if a scientific theory, once "proven" becomes a law. That's not how things work. And actually, what I stated is pretty much the exact definition of a scientific theory.

I've been a scientist for years dude, I taught students this stuff before I abandoned academia in favor of clinical practice. It's not as if I am pulling it out of my ass. Research it a little and you'll see I am correct in the matter.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And because it would take a fuckton of time. 50k years per cycle doesn't really leave room to explore the whole galaxy.

The Reapers were capable of doing it within a few centuries. 

[Kabooooom]

Goishen, here is a quick read as to why a scientific theory is NOT a transitional state to a scientific law, and consequentially why theories do not become laws:

http://science.kenne...3380theory.html

It's a common misconception for some reason. I dont really know why. I suppose because if the common language definitions of these terms, maybe.

[goishen]

No, I'm stating that in order for it to become a law that it must be able to pass all tests using that same mathematical model.

 

Not some test.   Not just one test.  Not a test that Uncle Joe cooked up in his backyard and boom, hey, it's a law.

[Kabooooom]

No, I'm stating that in order for it to become a law that it must be able to pass all tests using that same mathematical model.

Not some test. Not just one test. Not a test that Uncle Joe cooked up in his backyard and boom, hey, it's a law.

No dude, you misunderstand. It NEVER becomes a law. They represent two completely different scientific concepts.

The theory of evolution will never become the law of evolution, and the theory of general relativity will never become the law of general relativity. That's not how things work.

Read that link I provided. Especially if you are interested in science/the scientific process. It should clear things up for you.

[Heimdall]

The Reapers were capable of doing it within a few centuries. 

And if a species wanted to run through the whole galaxy, they probably could with enough time and a mountain of resources, maybe a few thousand years, but why would they?  Frankly, most star systems aren't very interesting and colonies are only desirable when you have a surplus population.  No species can colonize every habitable planet at once.  And they would search for resources only if there were a shortage near their colonies.