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#76
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I dunno who wrote that, but ...  

 

In science, a law is not something that is dictated to scientists or nature; it is not something that a scientist or nature has to do under threat of some penalty if they don't conform.

 

That sentence tells me that whoever wrote that is just ....  Wow.

 

EDIT :  I'll agree veeeeeeery loosely with some of his other points.   But I think he's getting laws in physics mixed up with laws by the government.



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I dunno who wrote that, but ...

In science, a law is not something that is dictated to scientists or nature; it is not something that a scientist or nature has to do under threat of some penalty if they don't conform.

That sentence tells me that whoever wrote that is just .... Wow.


Dude, are you serious? You seriously dont know what you are talking about. I'm a scientist. Published papers. Formally educated in biology, chemistry, and medicine. I used to solely research and teach. One of the things I taught students was the scientific method and how to conduct research.

I'm not saying this to toot my own horn, but merely to underscore that I assure you, I do know what I am talking about and if you have any interest in pursuing a career in a scientific field, I implore you to please study this stuff further so that you can understand it. You have adopted some very incorrect viewpoints as truths, and I'm not sure why.

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I dunno who wrote that, but ...

In science, a law is not something that is dictated to scientists or nature; it is not something that a scientist or nature has to do under threat of some penalty if they don't conform.

That sentence tells me that whoever wrote that is just .... Wow.

EDIT : I'll agree veeeeeeery loosely with some of his other points. But I think he's getting laws in physics mixed up with laws by the government.

You misinterpreted that passage that you quoted. He was contrasting the definition of a scientific law (which he listed above that), with the common language definition of a law (which is basically the passage you quoted, paraphrased) to show that they are NOT the same thing. So you actually read that incorrectly and opposite to what it actually meant, then said you disagreed with it when in actuality you were in full agreement with it.

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That's fine.   All that this shows is that I'm not a physicist, and I'm not qualified to debate this with you. 

 

All I'll say is that gravity works just as well under Newton's laws as it does under Aristotle's (or Socrates or whoever) using the paper that you've quoted for laws.



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All I'll say is that gravity works just as well under Newton's laws as it does under Aristotle's (or Socrates or whoever) using the paper that you've quoted for laws.

 

wat



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That's fine. All that this shows is that I'm not a physicist, and I'm not qualified to debate this with you.

All I'll say is that gravity works just as well under Newton's laws as it does under Aristotle's using the paper that you've quoted for laws.


No worries :). It was more of a brief, informal discussion on the matter really. Descriptions of nature come in varied forms. Neither Newtonian mechanics nor quantum mechanics are wrong, for example, Quantum mechanics simplifies to Newton's equations on a macroscale. Physicists deal much more with mathematical descriptions of nature than scientists in other fields do. This may be why there is a misconception, actually - students learn about physical laws in physics courses, and then biological theories in biology courses, and then think "surely one must lead to the other".

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wat

 

 

What I'm saying is that by using his definition for laws you could either use Newton's gravitational law or you could use (I forget who said it) some philosopher and both would equally relate as laws.



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The Reapers were capable of doing it within a few centuries. 

I don't think there's any lore on how much there Reapers have explore, or how long it took. Feel free to point it out to me if you have a source.



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I don't think there's any lore on how much there Reapers have explore, or how long it took. Feel free to point it out to me if you have a source.

Liara states it a couple times. Like when she talks about how if she could successfully hide she would outlive the Reaper's harvest of the galaxy. 



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What I'm saying is that by using his definition for laws you could either use Newton's gravitational law or you could use (I forget who said it) some philosopher and both would equally relate as laws.


Not exactly. Scientific laws are products of the scientific method, subject to peer review just like anything else. Philosophy is not.

That said, "natural science" or "natural philosophy" was an offshoot of philosophy and the precursor to modern science.

Even today, I still believe that philosophy has a certain purpose - but not the same as science. Indeed, I would even argue that both an understanding of formal logic and an understanding of philosophy are necessary for someone to become a good scientist. Unfortunately, such courses are not a prereq for most graduate level science programs.
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Right, but take a look at his third law and tell if there's an and/or statement there. 

 

Because there isn't.

 

There's only an or statement.   Which basically means that I can create new laws anytime.  At least until they are knocked down.

 

See my point?

 

EDIT :  You have got to have some kind of baseline...   And mathematics is the only one that I know of. 



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Which basically means that I can create new laws anytime.  At least until they are knocked down.

 

You would get along fabulously with Karl Popper, but how does any of this relate to what anybody was talking about?



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Liara states it a couple times. Like when she talks about how if she could successfully hide she would outlive the Reaper's harvest of the galaxy. 

I don't see the connection.



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Bioware: I could have given you the world. 

Fanbase: The world is not enough. 
 
:P

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Bioware: I could have given you the world. 

Fanbase: The world is not enough. 
 
:P

 

Actually,the opposite :D

(some of the)Fans: Bioware ,the world you created is awesome,another game there will be amazing.

(somebody at )Bioware: No this world is not deserving another story. Here is a new one,few millions light years away.          


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Ending to Mass Effect:Next  

 

 

"After ending your mission to establish a self sustaining colony in Andromeda, our heroes return to the milky way, only to find out that the reapers have won, shepard fell to indocrination, his crew listened to his/her last words, ramblings about a star child and incoherent gibberish. Anderson had no choice but to put him/her down."

 

:devil:



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Ending to Mass Effect:Next  

 

 

"After ending your mission to establish a self sustaining colony in Andromeda, our heroes return to the milky way, only to find out that the reapers have won, shepard fell to indocrination, his crew listened to his/her last words, ramblings about a star child and incoherent gibberish. Anderson had no choice but to put him/her down."

 

:devil:

Nah, ending to Mass Effect: Next:

 

The stakes are so high that the entire universe is fundamentally altered at it's very being, regardless of what the player wants.

 

So MENext2, in order to "respect player choice" rather than keeping the game in the same, "boring" old universe,  is set in a parallel reality.  Possibly involving dragons and blood magic  :whistle:



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Nah, ending to Mass Effect: Next:

 

The stakes are so high that the entire universe is fundamentally altered at it's very being, regardless of what the player wants.

 

So MENext2, in order to "respect player choice" rather than keeping the game in the same, "boring" old universe,  is set in a parallel reality.  Possibly involving dragons and blood magic  :whistle:

Nah, we'll go to another universe because the races kept universe-jumping technology secret or they reverse-engineered something they have no idea how it works in a manner of months. 


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