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[Paul E Dangerously]

Really?  Not in my opinion.  More like "50 shades of dull dishwater"

 

The Witcher stories were decent, but awkward combat and the repetitive "You saved me please boink me" pseudo-romances got to be wearisome.

 

Unless I missed something, this happens only once on each mutually exclusive route, meaning one such scene per game.

 

That doesn't make any sense.

 

I don't see how. They're saying that it's not wrong to have homophobia or misogyny in a fictional work. (Which it isn't) Only that presenting such viewpoints as a good thing is a whole other can of worms.

[Dobby]

As an older woman  who has played both games  I am not sure I see the homophobia or the misogyny.  The first game had those silly "sex" cards, but I don't see the Witcher as one who hates  women or objectifies them... maybe I am wrong...

 

No, I feel the same. It's just that some people like to get their knickers in a twist about everything and get offended easily. 

[Innsmouth Dweller]

it seems people see homophobias and misogynies everywhere nowadays. those words appear in every discussion so many times i don't even know what they mean anymore...

[9TailsFox]

Unless I missed something, this happens only once on each mutually exclusive route, meaning one such scene per game.

 

 

I don't see how. They're saying that it's not wrong to have homophobia or misogyny in a fictional work. (Which it isn't) Only that presenting such viewpoints as a good thing is a whole other can of worms.

Hypocrisy is I hate mostly.

Warden.

Can kill wounded man who is obviously fine. 

Let demon poses child because. Sex with demon, blood magic power, +20(is 20?) approval from companion...

Kill all dalish clan because why not?

Kill alienage elf's, your family if you are city elf. For +stats..

 

Hawke can have slave.

 

But we can't discriminate people based on sex, sexual orientation, because it evil and cross the line  Warden didn't cross the line s/he destroyed it. And Inquisitor can have opinion only on faith, mages and whats it. Inquisitor can only be neutral good or true neutral. And I am the one who only play mix all 3 good.

 

Oh and witcher have homosexual villain who is disgusting. Everyone cry how homophobic CDPred. We need mo gay in games but only if they are perfect. Its villain he suppose to be evil.

[GithCheater]

Dethmold is revealed as a gay psychopath who polishes his nails after sex with his sex slave, and then brutally castrated by Roche for justice.

 

Nope ... no advocating of homophobic hate crimes against a lisping stereotype here ... move along ...

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=-atXCUEMj1w

[9TailsFox]

Dethmold is revealed as a gay psychopath who polishes his nails after sex slave, and then brutally castrated.

 

Nope ... no advocating of homophobic hate crimes against a lisping stereotype here ... move along ...

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=-atXCUEMj1w

Did you watch who did it? Vernon is homophobic and not very nice person. City elf origin have rape so according to you Bioware suporting rape. Dethmold is scum and deserve what he get.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

If people here are trying to sell me The Witcher 3 they are doing an awful job at it. 

[Eelectrica]

Dethmold is revealed as a gay psychopath who polishes his nails after sex with his sex slave, and then brutally castrated by Roche for justice.

 

Nope ... no advocating of homophobic hate crimes against a lisping stereotype here ... move along ...

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=-atXCUEMj1w

That's right, they're not. What they are is fictional characters in a fictional universe carrying out there own agenda in the story.

People struggle to separate reality from fantasy it seems.

[9TailsFox]

If people here are trying to sell me The Witcher 3 they are doing an awful job at it. 

[Innsmouth Dweller]

Dethmold is revealed as a gay psychopath who polishes his nails after sex with his sex slave, and then brutally castrated by Roche for justice.

 

Nope ... no advocating of homophobic hate crimes against a lisping stereotype here ... move along ...

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=-atXCUEMj1w

"hate crimes"... dear maker, are you serious? Dethmold is a psychopath. his sexual orientation is irrelevant.

[Eelectrica]

Regarding The Witcher, how many sidequests are there? Do they all have cutscenes, choices, etc. like this one? 

How long is the story content? 

The story content is supposed to be around the 50 hour mark.

In one article recently they spoke of how a developer speed run just through the main story took 50 hours.

Apparently 200 hours for a completionist play through.

[Call Me Jord]

If people here are trying to sell me The Witcher 3 they are doing an awful job at it. 

 

You do realize the only person to attempt to sell you on a Video Game is yourself?

 

If you need other people to tell you what games to play, I suggest stop playing them altogether.

 

Spoiler

Or wait until Steam sale, then there's no guilt!

[9TailsFox]

You do realize the only person to attempt to sell you on a Video Game is yourself?

 

If you need other people to tell you what games to play, I suggest stop playing them altogether.

 

Spoiler

Or wait until Steam sale, then there's no guilt!

I buy several games witch I not even turn on ever com one it -80% and cost only 0.79 

[GithCheater]

his sexual orientation is irrelevant.

Really?

[Innsmouth Dweller]

really

[Rawgrim]

Dethmold is revealed as a gay psychopath who polishes his nails after sex with his sex slave, and then brutally castrated by Roche for justice.

 

Nope ... no advocating of homophobic hate crimes against a lisping stereotype here ... move along ...

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=-atXCUEMj1w

 

He gets castrated for his crimes, and for being a psycho. It isn't because he is gay...Are you saying he should be immune to being punished\killed\executed for any crime simply because he happens to be gay?

 

DA:O gives you the option to kill Conner. By your logic that means Bioware advocates the murdering of children.

 

But lets say Roche kills a fellow simply because the fellow is gay. Roche just really hates gay people for some reason. That is 1 character out of several hundred in the game. And he doesn't represent the views of the writers. Stannis + Melisandre killed of Renly in the game of thrones books. Does that mean GRRM advocates the murder of gays?

[cotheer]

The story content is supposed to be around the 50 hour mark.

In one article recently they spoke of how a developer speed run just through the main story took 50 hours.

Apparently 200 hours for a completionist play through.

Actually, speed run took them ~25 hours.

Otherwise, you're right.

[Eelectrica]

Actually, speed run took them ~25 hours.

Otherwise, you're right.

Ah yes, right you are.

This RPS article is where I got the 50hrs from:

http://www.rockpaper...tcher-3-length/

But yeah, that's not a speed run.

[Eelectrica]

Really?

Not everything is about some socio-economic agenda that needs to be force fed down our throat. Sometimes we just want to play a game with an interesting story.

[Dutch]

Dethmold is revealed as a gay psychopath who polishes his nails after sex with his sex slave, and then brutally castrated by Roche for justice.

Nope ... no advocating of homophobic hate crimes against a lisping stereotype here ... move along ...

Completely ridiculous. I mean really ridiculous. Go cool off.

[SnakeCode]

I have no objections to homophobia or misogyny being in a game.  Advocating them is another matter.

 

CDPR aren't advocating them though. The world of the Witcher is a take on our own middle ages (with added fantasy elements of course.) It's a gritty, hard, sometimes horrible place to live where getting through each day is a slog. These things being in the game doesn't mean it's representative of the devs views anymore than it means the devs of GTA support breaking the law or murder of civilians.

 

That being said, i'm not sure I even see misogyny or homophobia in TW games (besides the awful card collection of the first game, which I won't defend.) Geralt being a straight man who may or may not enjoy having sex with multiple women (depending on how the player RPs him) isn't misogynistic in of itself. And I don't really remember anything in either game that struck me as being homophobic. Besides, as Geralt, you're generally fighting against the injustices of the world, not committing them.

[In Exile]

CDPR aren't advocating them though. The world of the Witcher is a take on our own middle ages (with added fantasy elements of course.) It's a gritty, hard, sometimes horrible place to live where getting through each day is a slog. These things being in the game doesn't mean it's representative of the devs views anymore than it means the devs of GTA support breaking the law or murder of civilians.

 

That being said, i'm not sure I even see misogyny or homophobia in TW games (besides the awful card collection of the first game, which I won't defend.) Geralt being a straight man who may or may not enjoy having sex with multiple women (depending on how the player RPs him) isn't misogynistic in of itself. And I don't really remember anything in either game that struck me as being homophic. Besides, as Geralt, you're generally fighting against the injustices of the world, not committing them.

 

The Dethmold portrayal falls in the same line as the the sex cards, because it's not really an in-setting thing. It's one thing if TW happend to have a homophobic setting in the same way it has a virulent (fantasy)racist setting (e.g. humans vs. elves/dwarves). This is also where the game runs into issues with portrayals of women, though the setting is more akin to historically sexist (because historical forms of sexism weren't titilating in the same way IRL forms of sexist are titilating).

 

I think the issue of whether or not a game portrays prejudice consistent with its own setting is different from whether it may also carry IRL prejudices entirely separate from the setting. This is the sex card issue in a nutshell.

 

edit:

 

To clarify, all I am saying is that the debate of whether a game should have in-setting racism, homophibia, or sexism, is separate from whether the game unintentionally (or even intentionally) portrays IRL sexism, racism or homophobia that's at odds with the setting.

We can have a real debate about whether or not there are limits to what games should potray in-setting in terms of social impact IRL. I tend to fall on the side that aside from some especially horrid topics that amount to power fantasies for racists or sexists or homophobes, everything is fair game. That's not the same as just having IRL stuff w/o any reasons.

[SACanuckin Oz]

This thread is so far off topic....but I can't help wading in. Lol.

So, am I to understand that some folks here are suggesting that fantasy games are supposed to portray only our current understanding of what is politically correct? And that graphic violence, slavery, torture, rape, racism, sexism, etc. should not be a feature in a game set in some fantastical alternate universe?

But, but what then about movies? And TV shows?
They are full of these very topics these days. Django, A walk among the tombstones (one of the most disturbing scenes of pseudo-sexual violence that I have ever seen onscreen), Inglorious Basterds, 300, Natural Born Killers, Pulp Fiction, and many many others are exploring these topics.

So, I don't get this 'debate' at all.
If you don't like the franchise, hero, lore, sex of the hero, sexual persuasion of the hero/vilian/cast, etc. just move on. There's nothing to see here. Play another game. Or pass on the movie.

But to pretend that the issues in the Witcher series is any more disturbing than the issues in the Dragon Age universe (deals with demons, killing children, rape, sacrificing entire cities to dark spawn, murdering reluctant conscripts, various sexual orientations, racism, slavery, genocide, etc. etc.) is plainly not factual, and seem somewhat absurd.

And I'm not even a Witcher series fan myself, but the self-appointed pc brigade get under my (gaming) skin

[Rawgrim]

For the most part, the "PC Brigade" isn't really about PC at all. Its about PC at all. It seems to be about hunting for anything that isn't politically correct, glue it to whatever social media you are using, in order to make "everyone" see what a good and decent person you are. Its pretty much being used as a springboard for scoring points on the social status ladder.

 

I don't know how many times I have seen people post that they will never watch any Mel Gibson movie again, because of his drunken rants some years back. Its all about making themselves look good, by publically distancing themselves from someone who doesn't look good. And when people agree with it, or Like it, they score the same points by doing so. Its the same thing with looking for homophobia, bigotry, racism, and anything else everywhere. If you try to make everything look like it, you will succeed. And frankly it does more harm than good.

 

Rant over.