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[Shaftell]

You know what it might be? I feel the length of the game has a lot to do with it. I did do 2 playthroughs but I gave up on my 3rd. As great as the game is, I feel there's just too much filler in there. Majority of sidequests are very underwhelming and impersonal. The worst thing that can happen in any RPG is completing a sidequest without knowing who you completed it for. You get sidequest, you look at shiny symbol in map, and you run there and finish it. I feel like this game was a learning curve and they'll improve on this in future titles.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

I actually had to reroll as a Rift Mage because Knight Enchanter is so brokenly easy combat became boring, and this game's combat is so bog standard it really doesn't need that problem too.

Also this time I'm doing levels in the "recommended" (although saying that is iffy since the game doesn't actually tell you) order this time, ie Hinterlands > Storm Coast > Fallow Mire > Mage/Templars > Haven > Crestwood > Western Apporach > Wardens/Fade > Exhalted Plains > Emerald Graves > WEWH > Emprise du Lion > Hissing Wastes > Finish Game. At least I think that's it. Apparently doing this way will make you way less frustrated (areas not too high/low level) and also allow for a pacing of the main quests between. I tried to do Crestwood, the Exhalted Plains, Emerald Graves, Emprise du Lion and Hissing Wastes all before finishing the main quest because my mind treated them like "side" areas to be done first, because they were all unlocked at once, but I got burnt out and couldn't keep going.

Post Haven, you really have to think and structure your approach to doing quests or the pacing gets very easily ruined.

You are on the money. That's how I am progressing thru the game. I am finishing Emerald Graves soon. I would feel burnt out if I do Lion and the Waste before getting some kind of story in from WEWH. So I will bounce back to those after WEWH just to keep it fresh.

[agonis]

Considering most gamers don´t finish their games even once it´s rather strange to complain one cannot do a second/third/fourth PT.

 

Edit: But The Bioware Forum is hardcore....

[KCMeredith]

Give it more time, I finished the game right after it was released at ~120 hours and didn't play it again until yesterday. Its the magic of Bioware games, wait long enough and that itch to start another playthrough will come back.

[ioannisdenton]

A rest is good, I've recently finished my 4th play through and had a good time, but had rests each time.

 

ok, my 'rest' was to play a ton of DAI multiplayer, but that's different.

oh, and I knocked Assassin's Creed Unity on the head and The Witcher 2 again, but they didn't take long.

 

Unlikely I'll do a 5th play through in a hurry, maybe when all the DLC is done, but lots of DAIMP still to do, and other games.

i too played witcher 2 for the first time after finishing Da and it blew me away. Bioware NEEDS to learn a dew things from CD project red regarding the various paths a game can take.

[Fearsome1]

Look, I've already completed six Inquisition games, with a couple running a bit longer than the others (and none were very short). I have about as many Inquisition runs in various states of progress, but am holding off completing those mostly due to awaiting the drop of Black Emporium, plus additional dlc.

 

I only completed four original Mass Effect games, but have run through ME2, ME3, DA:O, Awakening and DA2 dozens of times each (plus related dlc). I have finished a couple of other games more than once, but the only non-Bioware games that I've run through multiple times were Dragon's Dogma and The Witcher 2.

 

Take a break, and come back some other time! In the case of Witcher 2, I was struggling on my first game and set it aside for months before giving it another go. Same with Mass Effect. I hated the damned Mako and found operating that vehicle exhausting. I never thought that I COULD complete that game, but I finally decided that I was not going to let the internal game mechanics defeat me and tried again. Different result (and look where that led me).

[SofaJockey]

i too played witcher 2 for the first time after finishing Da and it blew me away. Bioware NEEDS to learn a dew things from CD project red regarding the various paths a game can take.

 

These things go in cycles, Skyrim was successful so features pop up elsewhere. Expect to see versions of Shadow of Mordor's Nemesis system elsewhere. DAI emulated TW2's loot ping and added loot locations. If TW3 is very successful, expect some of its best features to end up in other games including DA4.

[dsl08002]

DAi really challenge you to keep your interest up. that's it. ITs if you don't count for the very good but absurd short campaign the game is boring.

[Poledo]

This is why I never complete a game on my first run through. I'll play a good portion of it, then start a new game. As long as there is some content left unexplored it still feels fresh and you have a goal. This is also why I never try and be a completionist on my first few times through. Even if you do beat it there is plenty of things you haven't seen, quests you haven't done etc.

 

I played it exclusively for 5 months though. I guess I just really enjoyed it.

[AWTEW]

 You're not alone O.P.  What you have said has been said many times by others.

[Darkly Tranquil]

When I first played Origins, I played through six times back to back, such was my desire to see everything it had to offer. With Inquisition once was enough, as the game, while enjoyable, just didn't enthral me or fill me with a need to see every permutation of its plot. I'll most likely give it another go at some point (probably once all the DLC is out and I can do one full playthrough) to fill out the last few achievements and to try some other story choices, but I'm in no hurry to play it again soon. Besides, I still need to finish Pillars of Eternity before Witcher 3.

[AshenSugar]

To quote Stephen King, life is too short to read a book twice. I never replay single play games, sorry, but I think it's a real waste of time. I just youtube clips for whatever I missed out on. Already spent 70++ hours on this....enough is enough (Was an awesome game though)

 

That's just... wow.....  

 

If I like a game I'll replay it over and over and over and over and over and over again. Not back to back, I always need a break of a few months in between playthroughs, but the idea of only playing it once is just..... unimaginable. The only exceptions would be games I didn't enjoy.

 

Ironically Iv'e read King's entire Dark Tower series probably around four times, do ya. I've red the Lord Of The Rings every single year of my life since the age of 14 - I'm 38 now. I've probably read the entire Dune series around 15 times...  I could go on. I couldn't imagine only reading a good book once and once only, I see it as no different than re-playing an album, or re-watching a movie.

[Lilithor]

This game is not meant to be played by people who (like myself) need to complete each and every single quest everytime they play the game

This is one of an infinite trillionesiumite number of flaws

[turuzzusapatuttu]

This game is not meant to be played by people who (like myself) need to complete each and every single quest everytime they play the game

This is one of an infinite trillionesiumite number of flaws

[Legion of 1337]

Look, I've already completed six Inquisition games, with a couple running a bit longer than the others (and none were very short). I have about as many Inquisition runs in various states of progress, but am holding off completing those mostly due to awaiting the drop of Black Emporium, plus additional dlc.

 

I only completed four original Mass Effect games, but have run through ME2, ME3, DA:O, Awakening and DA2 dozens of times each (plus related dlc). I have finished a couple of other games more than once, but the only non-Bioware games that I've run through multiple times were Dragon's Dogma and The Witcher 2.

 

Take a break, and come back some other time! In the case of Witcher 2, I was struggling on my first game and set it aside for months before giving it another go. Same with Mass Effect. I hated the damned Mako and found operating that vehicle exhausting. I never thought that I COULD complete that game, but I finally decided that I was not going to let the internal game mechanics defeat me and tried again. Different result (and look where that led me).

What all the fanboys seem to be missing is that this struggle to complete games, ie Mass Effect and DA:I, is a sign of bad game design.

[Googleness]

What all the fanboys seem to be missing is that this struggle to complete games, ie Mass Effect and DA:I, is a sign of bad game design.

 

Might be.

This is the first Bioware Game I'm having to trouble to finish a second time.

 

Even origins which was bloated with DLCs was damn fun and I can finish it as many times as I want.

 

But something different here with Inquisition.

[agonis]

That's just... wow.....  

 

If I like a game I'll replay it over and over and over and over and over and over again. Not back to back, I always need a break of a few months in between playthroughs, but the idea of only playing it once is just..... unimaginable. The only exceptions would be games I didn't enjoy.

 

Ironically Iv'e read King's entire Dark Tower series probably around four times, do ya. I've red the Lord Of The Rings every single year of my life since the age of 14 - I'm 38 now. I've probably read the entire Dune series around 15 times...  I could go on. I couldn't imagine only reading a good book once and once only, I see it as no different than re-playing an album, or re-watching a movie.

 

Why stop at games or books?

 

Life is to short for some other things too!

 

Enjoyed that food? Move on! No need to cook it a second time, ever!

 

Liked that girl? Nice! Move on, there are so many more!

 

Good Sex? Why bother a second time? Life is to short to repeat an experience!

 

 

Errr... now I used up all my exclamation marks and my sarcasm for today...

[MrMrPendragon]

Yeah I find it really hard to even start a second play through.

 

There's really nothing good to look forward to in this game.

 

Ugh, the grinding and the loot system (Oh my god the loot system suuuucks). I don't want to do that again for a second time.

The companions you get aren't that great either. I can't bring myself to befriend one nor bring myself to be attracted to the available romances.

[MrMrPendragon]

These things go in cycles, Skyrim was successful so features pop up elsewhere. Expect to see versions of Shadow of Mordor's Nemesis system elsewhere. DAI emulated TW2's loot ping and added loot locations. If TW3 is very successful, expect some of its best features to end up in other games including DA4.

 

This is true. These things go in trends. Somebody comes up with a great game design, then next thing you know you'll have modified versions of it in all games.

 

I guess this makes it very important for games to set a good example. If Arkham Knight and Witcher 3 have something clever in them, then I hope I'll see it in ME4.

[SofaJockey]

This is true. These things go in trends. Somebody comes up with a great game design, then next thing you know you'll have modified versions of it in all games.

I guess this makes it very important for games to set a good example. If Arkham Knight and Witcher 3 have something clever in them, then I hope I'll see it in ME4.

 

ME:N may be too far locked down, but you might see it in DA4.

[OriginalTibs]

Whether you play another playthrough depends on what you value, and why you play. It sounds as if your need/want has been satisfied. It may be that hunger will awaken once more, and then you will be able to choose whether you want to play again, or if another title may attract your eye.

[Tideford]

Dunno, everyone is different.  I am on my fourth time through.  I have found I like seeing different romances and trying different specifications for all characters.  I also like making different decisions on the main plot points as well as different judgements on captured enemies.  While the quests get somewhat tedious, I do like there is some variety here and there.  It reminds me of DAO in that way as you could side with elves one time and werewolves another.  Here you can ally with mages or conscript Templars or save the Chargers or ally with the quinari.

[AshenSugar]

What all the fanboys seem to be missing is that this struggle to complete games, ie Mass Effect and DA:I, is a sign of bad game design.

 

Very very subjective. If you personally don't like those games, that's a shame, but everyone has their own tastes, it would be a boring world if we all liked the same things.

 

But, in the case of Mass Effect. that game is widely regarded as a classic, and the praise and critical acclaim that it received both from gamers, fans and reviewers alike should, I feel, be sufficient to mark it as a 'good' game, albeit one you didn't personally enjoy. It's possible to make criticisms (long elevator rides, bad inventory system, poor Mako handling, similarity of side missions etc.) but even so, I don't think it's entirely fair to dismiss it as 'bad', when your own viewpoint is probably a minority one.

 

I personally don't particularly like Metallica, but I'd never dismiss 'Kill em All' or 'Master of Puppets' as 'bad albums', because I can clearly see the craftsmanship and skill that went into creating them, even if they are not to my taste.

 

Inquisition is obviously far more divisive as a product, and the community seems to be roughly split down the middle in their reaction to it. Even so, I'd never be able to label it an objectively bad game. Ride To Hell Retribution is probably a better example of an objectively bad game.

 

Personally I'd class Inquisition as a great game, but one that contains a number of serious flaws, mostly based around the interface and certain mechanics, but that's just me.

[Legion of 1337]

Very very subjective. If you personally don't like those games, that's a shame, but everyone has their own tastes, it would be a boring world if we all liked the same things.

 

But, in the case of Mass Effect. that game is widely regarded as a classic, and the praise and critical acclaim that it received both from gamers, fans and reviewers alike should, I feel, be sufficient to mark it as a 'good' game, albeit one you didn't personally enjoy. It's possible to make criticisms (long elevator rides, bad inventory system, poor Mako handling, similarity of side missions etc.) but even so, I don't think it's entirely fair to dismiss it as 'bad', when your own viewpoint is probably a minority one.

 

I personally don't particularly like Metallica, but I'd never dismiss 'Kill em All' or 'Master of Puppets' as 'bad albums', because I can clearly see the craftsmanship and skill that went into creating them, even if they are not to my taste.

 

Inquisition is obviously far more divisive as a product, and the community seems to be roughly split down the middle in their reaction to it. Even so, I'd never be able to label it an objectively bad game. Ride To Hell Retribution is probably a better example of an objectively bad game.

 

Personally I'd class Inquisition as a great game, but one that contains a number of serious flaws, mostly based around the interface and certain mechanics, but that's just me.

1. A shame? Oh I get it, I'm a poor misguided ignorant soul who doesn't get the genius that is the clunky assfuck that is Mass Effect's combat. I really regret not enjoying that shitfest more.

 

2. I don't give a **** what anyone else thinks. Mass Effect 1, and in different ways 2 and 3 as well, had **** gameplay. I can listen to the cutscenes all day but the games are a chore to actually play because Bioware doesn't know how to make shooters.

 

3. Metallica makes proper, well-crafted metal. I'm not into metal, but it's good music. Mass Effect is a poorly designed shooter. There are better shooters.There wasn't much craftsmanship there because Bioware doesn't know how to craft good shooters. DA:I rips off Skyrim in such a way that they emphasized all the flaws of TES with few of the perks.

 

4. DA:I has some bad mechanics, but more to the point it's actual gameplay is average to a fault because it's narrative begs it to be different from the norm, but it's not. It's not "bad", it's a waste of a good premise.

[KaiserShep]

Dunno about these better shooters, but I'll bet I'd find the vast majority of them boring as hell.