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[Heimdall]

Well I said before that not ALL characters should be playersexual however if they write it better not make the entire story arc based on his/her orientation it would have been much better. To me player-sexual characters free the writers from the burdens of sexuality and let them focus on the personality and how said character relates with the others.

I don't think that was a problem in DAI.  Sure, Dorian's storyline was heavily indebted to the unacceptability of his orientation as the scion of a noble house of Tevinter, but Sera's character had a very strong personality (Whether you liked it or not) that didn't have much to do with her sexuality.  I also wouldn't say Cullen's or Cassandra's sexuality had any more influence on their personalities than the playersexual characters of DA2.

 

I don't think the two are related.

[Killdren88]

They fulfill the Tumblr Rainbow so we are saved from the complaining special snowflakes.

[SolNebula]

I don't think that was a problem in DAI.  Sure, Dorian's storyline was heavily indebted to the unacceptability of his orientation as the scion of a noble house of Tevinter, but Sera's character had a very strong personality (Whether you liked it or not) that didn't have much to do with her sexuality.  I also wouldn't say Cullen's or Cassandra's sexuality had any more influence on their personalities than the playersexual characters of DA2.

 

I don't think the two are related.

 

But a story like Dorian one wouldn't have place in a sci-fi universe because being gay in the future should be considered normal and accepted. You can't create a story arc like that one in ME. In a sci-fi setting is impossible to create a meaningful character story arc based on his/her sexuality because of the progressive setting of said game.

 

In ME player-sexuality is a better option IMO

 

 

How being defined by sexuality is so incomprehensible to you, but not stuff like dead parents, rough childhood or whatever? It's just as legit as the rest of them.

 

Because in the future sexual preferences aren't that big of a deal.

[Heimdall]

But a story like Dorian one wouldn't have place in a sci-fi universe because being gay in the future should be considered normal and accepted. You can't create a story arc like that one in ME. In a sci-fi setting is impossible to create a meaningful character story arc based on his/her sexuality because of the progressive setting of said game.

Well, that's rather presumptive of the what future values need end up becoming, but assuming that's the case for the moment...

 

Perhaps you could have a female Krogan that prefers females, but is under social pressure to help repopulate her species.  That could generate a similar storyline (Yes, I know a female Krogan romance isn't terribly likely).  Or maybe the Turians don't share the same human progressive ideals.  Or it's just a family thing specific to the individual's background in question.  These are hypothetical, but the point is that prejudice and social pressure can conceivably exist in a scifi setting, even in Mass Effect.

[Steelcan]

They fulfill the Tumblr Rainbow so we are saved from the complaining special snowflakes.

there will always be complaining special snowflakes in BioWare games

[daveliam]

But a story like Dorian one wouldn't have place in a sci-fi universe because being gay in the future should be considered normal and accepted. You can't create a story arc like that one in ME. In a sci-fi setting is impossible to create a meaningful character story arc based on his/her sexuality because of the progressive setting of said game.

 

In ME player-sexuality is a better option IMO

 

As long as religion remains central to the human story, there will be issues with non-straight orientations.  There are ways for it to play a role.

 

Plus, I think you are confusing two things:  Being gay versus being gay and having your sexuality play a major role in your story.

 

Look at Steve.  He's gay, but his sexuality is not really a big part of his story.  His story is about getting over the loss of his spouse and moving on as a widower.  It just happened that his spouse was a guy. 

There's certainly room for diverse stories around sexuality in the ME series.  I'd not like to see a copy of Dorian's story, since we've already seen that in a recent game.  But I don't see any issues with including gay and lesbian characters.

 

Also, I think there's a huge difference between "bisexuality" and "playersexuality".  Bioware has never done a "playersexual" character whose sexuality changes with the gender of the PC.  I'd not like to see that at all and hope that they never go that route. 

 

 

Well, that's rather presumptive of the what future values need end up becoming, but assuming that's the case for the moment...

 

Perhaps you could have a female Krogan that prefers females, but is under social pressure to help repopulate her species.  That could generate a similar storyline (Yes, I know a female Krogan romance isn't terribly likely).  Or maybe the Turians don't share the same human progressive ideals.  Or it's just a family thing specific to the individual's background in question.  These are hypothetical, but the point is that prejudice and social pressure can conceivably exist in a scifi setting, even in Mass Effect.

 

Good point.  Salarians and Krogan are great races to explore this, if they go that route. 

[Steelcan]

I personally want to see more of the marginalized species represented in the roster, batarians, krogan, quarians, maybe a vorcha, than more asari, turians, and salarians.  (though I wouldn't say no to a Salarian)

 

and as always, a blonde warrior woman

[SolNebula]

Well, that's rather presumptive of the what future values need end up becoming, but assuming that's the case for the moment...

 

Perhaps you could have a female Krogan that prefers females, but is under social pressure to help repopulate her species.  That could generate a similar storyline (Yes, I know a female Krogan romance isn't terribly likely).  Or maybe the Turians don't share the same human progressive ideals.  Or it's just a family thing specific to the individual's background in question.  These are hypothetical, but the point is that prejudice and social pressure can conceivably exist in a scifi setting, even in Mass Effect.

 

Fair point however we don't know if aliens have the same way we intend sexuality. As far as I saw all bi-gendered aliens were straight. Asari don't have these issues. We shall see, maybe the future values won't be as progressive as we might think. However bi-sexuality is a good way to avoid these issues altogether. Still we shall see.

 

Look at Steve.  He's gay, but his sexuality is not really a big part of his story.  His story is about getting over the loss of his spouse and moving on as a widower.  It just happened that his spouse was a guy. 

There's certainly room for diverse stories around sexuality in the ME series.  I'd not like to see a copy of Dorian's story, since we've already seen that in a recent game.  But I don't see any issues with including gay and lesbian characters.

 

Hmmm maybe I have expressed myself poorly, I don't have any issue with gay characters, I have issues with characters who based their story arc on their sexual orientation.

[daveliam]

I personally want to see more of the marginalized species represented in the roster, batarians, krogan, quarians, maybe a vorcha, than more asari, turians, and salarians.  (though I wouldn't say no to a Salarian)

 

and as always, a blonde warrior woman

 

I'd really like to see batarians, vorcha, and volus show up.  I feel like krogans and quarians have been done to death at this point.  I also wouldn't mind another salarian.

 

And I hope you get a blonde soldier woman.  You are overdue.

 

 

Fair point however we don't know if aliens have the same way we intend sexuality. As far as I saw all bi-gendered aliens were straight. Asari don't have these issues. We shall see, maybe the future values won't be as progressive as we might think. However playersexuality is a good way to avoid these issues altogether. Still we shall see.

 

Actually, Gavorn was indicated to be gay.  He's shown in Shadow Broker footage as being approached while sitting on a bed in a bedroom by a human man. 

[Heimdall]

As long as religion remains central to the human story, there will be issues with non-straight orientations. 

 

Eh, depends on the religion.

 

And if my time as a history major has taught me anything, its that religions evolve over time (Sometimes gradually, sometimes violently).  What was acceptable in one century might not be in the next and the reverse can be equally true.

[Steelcan]

I'd really like to see batarians, vorcha, and volus show up.  I feel like krogans and quarians have been done to death at this point.  I also wouldn't mind another salarian.

 

And I hope you get a blonde soldier woman.  You are overdue.

a volus squadmate..... that'd be...out there definitely

 

I think there's plenty of room for more krogan and quarians, Wrex and Grunt were a bit deviant by krogan standards and I would like to see someone more along the lines of Gatatog Uvenk or Urdnot Wreav as a squadmate.  Quarians haven't really been done beyond "giddy/nerdy schoolgirl" that Tali was, there's plenty of room for more eccentric members like Daro'Xen or maybe military hardliners like Han'Gerrel or Kal'Reegar

[daveliam]

a volus squadmate..... that'd be...out there definitely

 

I think there's plenty of room for more krogan and quarians, Wrex and Grunt were a bit deviant by krogan standards and I would like to see someone more along the lines of Gatatog Uvenk or Urdnot Wreav as a squadmate.  Quarians haven't really been done beyond "giddy/nerdy schoolgirl" that Tali was, there's plenty of room for more eccentric members like Daro'Xen or maybe military hardliners like Han'Gerrel or Kal'Reegar

 

I agree as far as squadmates.  But I'm thinking about the species in general.  I feel like we've already explored Krogan and Quarian culture much more in depth than any of the others, including Turians and Salarians.  I'm just ready to see some of the other species get some time in the sun.  And having them as squad members really allow that to happen in interesting ways. 

 

Once they added volus to the MEMP, I think they've opened up the opportunity to have a volus squadmember.  They'd just have to do it in a way that doesn't seem silly. 

[Heimdall]

Could always make the quartermaster or the new yeoman a Volus, as long as he got more dialogue than most non squadmate shipboard NPCs so far.

[marcelo caldas]

I don't think that was a problem in DAI.  Sure, Dorian's storyline was heavily indebted to the unacceptability of his orientation as the scion of a noble house of Tevinter, but Sera's character had a very strong personality (Whether you liked it or not) that didn't have much to do with her sexuality.  I also wouldn't say Cullen's or Cassandra's sexuality had any more influence on their personalities than the playersexual characters of DA2.

 

I don't think the two are related.

The problem was having a 80 hours game with 2 LI options, I'd rather have less maps and filling contant and more character interactions. Of course its impossible to do something like citadel DLC because it took 3 games to build the characters.

I confess I'm a bit scared about Next size (100s planets) with only 7 characters. DAI best moments ware away from maps and closer to the keep, maybe if you could interact on the maps ...

[Degrees1991]

Once they added volus to the MEMP, I think they've opened up the opportunity to have a volus squadmember. They'd just have to do it in a way that doesn't seem silly.

Something to do with finance I can buy that no pun.

[marcelo caldas]

As long as religion remains central to the human story, there will be issues with non-straight orientations.  There are ways for it to play a role.

 

Plus, I think you are confusing two things:  Being gay versus being gay and having your sexuality play a major role in your story.

 

Look at Steve.  He's gay, but his sexuality is not really a big part of his story.  His story is about getting over the loss of his spouse and moving on as a widower.  It just happened that his spouse was a guy. 

There's certainly room for diverse stories around sexuality in the ME series.  I'd not like to see a copy of Dorian's story, since we've already seen that in a recent game.  But I don't see any issues with including gay and lesbian characters.

 

Also, I think there's a huge difference between "bisexuality" and "playersexuality".  Bioware has never done a "playersexual" character whose sexuality changes with the gender of the PC.  I'd not like to see that at all and hope that they never go that route. 

 

 

 

Good point.  Salarians and Krogan are great races to explore this, if they go that route. 

I don't see the Krogan being open to same sex relations, they are more primitive and had 2000 years problem with the genophage.

[daveliam]

I don't see the Krogan being open to same sex relations, they are more primitive and had 2000 yaers problem with the genophage.

 

A gay or bisexual Krogan or Salarian would make sense from a story-telling perspective.  The only downside to it is that it's basically a retread of Dorian's story.  I'd rather see something new for the gay and lesbian characters.  It would be an interesting twist if it were a female Krogan warlord, perhaps, but not a male krogan.

[Heimdall]

I don't see the Krogan being open to same sex relations, they are more primitive and had 2000 yaers problem with the genophage.

It's a mistake to think of "primitive" being a measure for that.  In our own history, there have been less technologically advanced societies more accepting of homosexual relations than most societies today.

 

Granted, the entire idea of sexual orientation as a component of personal identity is a modern social construct that other societies needn't have.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Aren't you?

Only if the person chooses to be. 

[marcelo caldas]

It's a mistake to think of "primitive" being a measure for that.  In our own history, there have been less technologically advanced societies more accepting of homosexual relations than most societies today.

 

Granted, the entire idea of sexual orientation as a component of personal identity is a modern social construct that other societies needn't have.

 

let's replace "more primitive" with less open to diferent opinions or less tolerant, the only Krogan open to change was whrex 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't see the Krogan being open to same sex relations, they are more primitive and had 2000 years problem with the genophage.

I wouldn't be surprised if Krogan had homosexual relations. We had societies where that was accepted practice among the warriors since it build comradery. 

[ElitePinecone]

Because in the future sexual preferences aren't that big of a deal.

 

Maybe not to humanity.

 

We have no idea whether batarians really hate lesbians, or whatever.

 

Sci-fi has always tackled gender and sexuality in characters (with varying degrees of tact), just like many other issues.

[ZoliCs]

Only if the person chooses to be. 

Society does it for you. Hence the stereotypes.

[Sanunes]

 

Once they added volus to the MEMP, I think they've opened up the opportunity to have a volus squadmember.  They'd just have to do it in a way that doesn't seem silly. 

 

To me that would be very dependent on level construction and how good the AI is.  If the AI for companions is like Dragon Age: Inquisition I rather not have a Volus party member for they would get stuck somewhere on every mission.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Society does it for you. Hence the stereotypes.

Society doesn't do it for you, or at least not until you do it to yourself and accept what society deems you in response.

I didn't know what my sexual orientation was for nearly my entire life, yet I didn't feel less defined because of it.