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[Farangbaa]

Oh and I really, REALLY hope Bioware will start realizing we're not dealing with races here, but species.

This annoys me immensely.

[Nitrocuban]

Female Batarian? Well... I always wanted to know if it's just the eyes.

[Vazgen]

Female Batarian? Well... I always wanted to know if it's just the eyes.

inb4 someone posts this

We've never seen one and I'd like to. She can present a whole new angle on the Batarian race.

[AgentMrOrange]

don't really care. I just don't want a bunch of sycophants again. let them turn on me or hate me. just don't make them worship me again....however now that I think about it I would be totally fine with a yandere like character.  

[Golden_Persona]

Thanks. 

There were a couple I liked, but mostly no. 

 

I have to disagree with you. I find the idea of a crew of genuinely good people a lot more fascinating than the "Being dark or bad is cool" thing that Bioware has decided to do. 

 

To answer your questions: Wrex is a good leader but not a good person. Garrus and Liara were good people but Bioware made them not. 

 

They weren't interesting conflicts. And I disagree that in order to be amazing characters they have to be dark or morally grey. 

 

Explain why please. 

 

Notice I said companions. Cortez and Traynor are not companions. There is the occassional genuinely good companion, but they are always the odd one out in the group. 

 

I never said anything about being dark and edgy is cool. It's about moral ambiguity and being mature in its storytelling, recognizing that there is no way to make a genuinely good character who is interesting, because good is subjective. It's all about making each character dynamic so that in one playthrough you can be a paragon and win the favor of this group of party members, and then the next playthrough be renegade and gain the respect of party members on the other side, plus all the playthroughs where one doesn't stick solely to one side and mixes it up depending on the situation. I don't want characters who are downright evil, as I for one have a hard time stomaching Zaeed on my team after he's willing to let a dozen innocent people burn to death by his own doing no less, while I'm trying to be paragon. If he wasn't voiced by Robin Sachs and had my favorite bonus ability in the game I tell you...

 

In order to make a genuinely good character you have to remove the bad consequences of their actions, you have to remove any sort of conflict in them as well, and at times make them oblivious. You have to remove anything that can make them subjectively bad from every angle, because good is subjective. I don't think ME needs a shining knight who manages to save everyone, nobody hates him, does everything right etc. I don't mind characters like Kaiden or Vega, but they are both really bland characters. One can argue Ashley was good, but she is pretty xenophobic, so that's a mark against her being genuinely good.

 

Why not consider Steve and Samantha companions? While their skills are of the implied not shown variety they still help in invaluable ways.

 

While I can agree Liara was good until Bioware made her...not, Garrus was never 100% good. He was willing to blow up a ship filled with people to get at Dr. Saleon, which doesn't even say anything about potential collateral damage. If he was 100% good he would never have insisted on killing Dr. Saleon right then and there when you find him. Garrus was always borderline vigilante, and the threat of the galaxy becoming an even greater p-hole put him over the edge. And when even in the first game was Liara not sexbait? She's never been a particularly interesting character. Fun, but I wouldn't say interesting and dynamic in the same way Wrex, Garrus, or Mordin were for example. Mass Effect has always done great with characters who become good, but have pretty shady pasts, which immediately makes them not genuinely good. Even to Mordin's dying breath was he still most likely hated by several small minded Krogan, who most likely viewed his death as "the Salarian b***** deserved it".

 

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your idea of genuinely good, but judging by your views of Inquisition's party, it seems even their "good" characters didn't sit well with you. Cassandra and Verric are what I'd consider good characters, but they still have stains on their lives. What does it take for a character to be genuinely good if even Cassandra doesn't even live up to it? That doesn't even count Dorian, another character who I don't think has ever done anything terrible. If you mean every character aside from them... well, they ARE enough characters to fill a party, and each have a different class so you should be satisfied with Inquisition's cast then.

[LordSwagley]

No catsuits, higheels, boobjobs, botox, makeup, boobplate armor, or untied long hair (atleast not in combat or while on duty if military). Cassandra from DAI was a great example of a female character who can be attractive while not invoking every nerdy action girl steotype in the book. If I remember correctly during ComiCon a female fan specifically asked Bioware to make female characters/armor/casual outfits less fanservice-y and rediculous (Looking at you Miranda/Jack/Samara/Morinth/EDI/Ashley/Liara). I find it really immersion breaking when all your squadettes wear outfits (no real woman would dare wear in public) that incredibly revealing and impractical into combat. So in short no rediclous female Squadmates please, from ME2 forward Tali/Kitsumi/Nyleen had the only practical armor/outfits in the game.

Not saying all female squadmates need to be a feminists dream or cannot be sexy buts can we please not overdo it again.

[Steppenwolf]

A sexy human female with long blonde hair, a skin-tight catsuit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

A sexy purple Asari commando with a skin-tight catsuit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

A sexy Quarian female with a skin-tight enviro-suit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

A sexy, blue female Drell with a skin-tight catsuit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

A sexy Turian female with a skin-tight catsuit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

A sexy Batarian female with 4 boobs, a skin-tight catsuit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

A sexy female Vorcha with a skin-tight catsuit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

[dreamgazer]

A sexy female Vorcha with a skin-tight catsuit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

[LordSwagley]

A sexy human female with long blonde hair, a skin-tight catsuit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

A sexy purple Asari commando with a skin-tight catsuit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

A sexy Quarian female with a skin-tight enviro-suit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

A sexy, blue female Drell with a skin-tight catsuit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

A sexy Turian female with a skin-tight catsuit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

A sexy Batarian female with 4 boobs, a skin-tight catsuit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

A sexy female Vorcha with a skin-tight catsuit, a no-nonsense attitude on the battlefield and a no-holds-barred attitude in the bedroom.

OK! OK! You WIN! Just NO Batarians in skintight catsuits please!

However for most of the rest I believe we've seen a few dozen of them in the games various nightclubs before

[Steppenwolf]

[Jagaro]

Hanar Spectre and an Elcor with a cannon on its back.

Game Over.

[Display Name Owner]

Almost every picture of Dan has multiple semi nude women on it. Like, seriously, 95%.

 

I have now done some "research". 

 

I think I'd rather just google pretty ladies independently.

[Nitrocuban]

That female Vorcha looks kinda hawt

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Genuinely good people don't exist. Real characters are a mix of good, bad and absolutely awful.

And besides, a full squad of genuinely good people would severely limit your options. (and would mindnumbingly boring)

I hate the 'evil, just because'-characters just as much as you do, but you seem to be under the impression that the only other options are genuinely good characters. Which, again, do not exist, just as genuinely bad people don't exist.

Even Adolf Hitler did some really good things. First politician that took a genuine interest in animal welfare and tried to legislate it. First policitian who considered banning smoking, among other things.

Saddam Hussein brought electricity to Iraq, which was, for the most part, without electricity before he took charge. Built tonnes of hospitals and schools.

I don't agree with that, at least not entirely. There are genuinely good people. I do agree that there are no genuinely evil people, but people who through various circumstances become evil. 

 

And I disagree that a squad of genuinely good people would be boring. I play games where the whole group is, and they are on par with Bioware's morally grey characters. 

[Mcfly616]

A wild Asari commando/merc/spectre ******. (Adept/Vanguard)

 

Ex-slaver Batarian (Soldier)

 

Salarian STG/spectre (Infiltrator)

 

Exiled Quarian male (Soldier)

 

Krogan space pirate (Sentinel)

 

Turian female (Engineer)

 

Human female - blonde or redhead (Vanguard)

[Degrees1991]

A Krogan engineer and a Warlord they both are brothers. Warlord tries to bully the engineer but he always come up with witty one liners.

A Volus accountant very sneaky can't 100% trust him loves money.

Hanar female a religious nut who is very judgemental but has a kind heart. If high enough loyalty she will tell you her soul name.

Elchor male you meet at a club in a hub like Omega. He is a bouncer has a bad drinking problem but a family man.

Batarian female arms dealer loves flirting with the lead character very hard to understand a bit like Black Widow.

Turian female cop like character more by the book unlike Garrus has a rivalry with the female Batarian both LI.

Male Human very anti religious doesn't follow the rules.

Female Human bartender at the same club as the Elchor good friends. LI biotic young.

[windsea]

Personally i want to see some anti-stereotype/outcast characters.

 

things like.

 

Krogan infiltrator-a runt with a general passive and clam personally.

 

Turain engineer-laid back with a problem with authority.

 

Salarian Soldier- hot headed and easy to read.

 

 

Also would love some mixed background characters

 

*Asari vanguard- A Asari raised mostly around humans and tend to identify herself as human more then Asari.

 

Quarian sentinel-who was born to and raised exiled parents and generally hates the Admiralty Board/Fleet.

 

Human adpet-raised on the Citadel with a grab bag of different cultural influences from the races that lived there.

 

 

*this one depends on when the game is set and how long it ACTUALLY takes a Asari to become a adult, both physically and mentally, and not just the cultural 100 year mark, It seems to be between 40 and 60 to me, we seen a 60 year old Asari who looked fully grown and we know a two people found out they were Ardat-Yakshi at around 40.

 

Still seeing as humans have only been around asari for 33-ish years by the end of ME3, it just a pipe dream without a time jump.

[Degrees1991]

Personally i want to see some anti-stereotype/outcast characters.

things like.

Turain engineer-laid back with a problem with authority.

So Garrus again?

I do agree love to see some non stereotypes but still love to have a religious Hanar on my team.

[CrutchCricket]

Don't know if these would be squadmates necessarily but I have some ideas for characters (some of which are already in my headcanon):

 

- A pacifist turian medic. He's a "bad" Turian technically for not following orders. He had to bear the mandatory military service but not without cost. His skills in medicine were his ticket out. Has some cross-training in engineering/tech. If he's a squadmate all his abilities are specifically non-lethal (perhaps would work better if overall gameplay had non-lethal combat alternatives)

-A Morinth-stage ardat-yakshi struggling to contain her condition. By "Morinth stage" I mean in terms of lethality and addiction, not psychosis. She's trying not feed her cravings, though she has slipped in the past and may do so again. Leaving the galaxy would appeal to her in order to escape the justicars and general prejudice.

- A Legion-class geth platform, either with code upgrades or isolated from the war (and space magic) and later found. Because deal with it.

- A drell officer. Strategic genius. This one isn't a squadmate for sure. I'm basically invoking Thrawn here. I think it'd be cool to explore how that kind of deductive intellect would work with the drell's perfect memory.

- A young female salarian biotic- awkward and inexperienced. Easily excitable.

- A Kasumi expy. Not a thief as there isn't need for one, no dead boyfriend, keep the skills, the sense of humor and the observant personality. She has an interesting past you can choose to discover.

- Vorcha anomaly/experiment: Either a freak natural occurance or secret experiments (possibly by STG) results in an intelligent, eloquent vorcha. Obviously issues of his predicament and the shortcomings of his race are aplenty.

-Exiled quarian: the bad-attitude badass (or possibly wannabe badass). Based on potential romance requirements I'd have this character geneder-flip based on player choice (so male if PC is female and vice versa). If it works for the player, why not for NPCs? Of course this doubles the work involved and potentially opens a can of worms with the same-sex crowd. But screw it.

[JeffZero]

I want two of the alleged seven slots to be occupied by representatives of the Andromedan races. It's certainly possible this will not happen, but I'm hopeful. So that leaves me with five, although none of you are not going to like my idea for a fifth.

Please remember that this is my ideal. The fifth representative is not someone that will ever, ever happen, and that's okay. You're probably all grateful. Go ahead. Celebrate.

01. Human Male; gungho adventurer variety. Excited by new galaxy. Perhaps to a fault; a bit forgetful of the atrocities of the past.

02. Human Female; a soldier through and through. Good-natured, but carrying a heavy burden. Also a biotic I guess because I guess her name is Cora.

03. Krogan; let's call him Drack.

04. Salarian; whatevs.

05. Former husk; given sentience by synthesis. Basically wants to die. Strange circumstances brought them aboard. Throughout the course of the game you can guide them toward or wayward of the desire to end their life. Either way, you've made them feel accomplished.

06. & 07. Alien representatives of Andromeda.

No turians, no asari. No quarians, no geth, no drell. They're fine, of course, but I'd rather not.

If there aren't any Andromedan reps, I guess throw in a turian female and a drell.

[rapscallioness]

I want Glyph on my crew. Well, not so much taking up a squaddie spot, as just kinda hanging out with us in the field and doing all kinds of useful Glyph-y stuff.

[Steppenwolf]

05. Former husk; given sentience by synthesis. Basically wants to die. Strange circumstances brought them aboard. Throughout the course of the game you can guide them toward or wayward of the desire to end their life. Either way, you've made them feel accomplished.

There is exactly zero chance of that ever happening.

[JeffZero]

There is exactly zero chance of that ever happening.

What's great is how I said that in my post!

[CrutchCricket]

Even with all the warnings I still puked a little inside...

[JeffZero]

Or something.